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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:37:30 AM EDT
My grandpa was USMC during WW2, and as usual, didn't talk about it much. The only war story I remember him telling me was when he landed in Japan 2 weeks after the bombs were dropped. He described to me the landscape and what not but no more details than that. He never even mentioned his MOS. My grandpa passed away in 1995.
Today, my uncle was doing some spring cleaning and when going through his shed found a box of my grandpa's containing pics and what not that he has never seen. I can't wait to see these pics for myself. Anyway, along with the pictures my uncle found this Japanese flag signed by many of the guys my grandpa served with. Apparently Eddie "Doc" Sego, my grandpa, was a corpsman. 
A period pic of my grandpa, just because. 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:39:20 AM EDT
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Holy shit
 . Whatever you do, don't sell that!
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:40:01 AM EDT
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That is cool.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:40:17 AM EDT
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That needs to be preserved and put in a display case.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:40:39 AM EDT
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Excellent!!
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:40:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:42:03 AM EDT
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That's history.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:44:17 AM EDT
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Best thread tonight. I'd be so proud of that, as stated it needs a display case along with pics and momentos. Thanks for posting this OP.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:45:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:48:43 AM EDT
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Didn't the marines use navy hospital corpsmen?
under the name on the flag it says "united states navy", which you would expect for a corpsman and yet the picture shows a USMC uniform |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:51:48 AM EDT
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person?
The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:55:23 AM EDT
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Theres not a William dill on there is it? I have a picture of my grandpas name signed on a similar flag. He was 5th Marine Division. Also occupied Nagasaki.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:55:32 AM EDT
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Holy shit . Whatever you do, don't sell that!Never in a million years! Its not mine to sell but I'm sure my uncle will take care of it, instead of throwing it back in the box. I'm the only other member on this side of my family to serve, and I'd love to have this memento for myself, but I'm betting it'll be passed down to my uncle's son someday, rightfully so. As a side note, its amazing how seeing something as powerful as this can bring back the tears of a loved one passing so many years later. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:57:00 AM EDT
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Awesome
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:57:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:57:09 AM EDT
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. I am sure the pic is my grandpa. And his name was Ed Sego. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because I was wondering the same thing. Here is another pic of him, with his brothers. He is on the far right. Thoughts? 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:58:11 AM EDT
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One of the funniest things I can remember was talking to a WW2 vet that joined the Navy at the tail end of the war.
He served as a non-rate on an LST and brought GIs into Japan after the war and one night after a couple of beers he said to me that he wished he's learned a trade in the Navy. "I was going to be a Corpsman and when we were gathering up to start the class they dropped the bomb and a week or so they cancelled the class and shipped us out to the fleet. I wound up on an LST hauling GIs and Marines into Japan and then we hauled a bunch of Japs back to Japan. I wish I had gone through that school." "You dumb shit," I said. "They were going to hand you a .45 and send you out with the Marines to invade Japan!" "No. I was in the Navy," he replied. "Ever see the picture of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima? Know how many Marines were in the picture?" "Six," he replied. "Try five and a Navy Corpsman," I answered. "You were headed to be sent to a Marine outfit to invade Japan!" His jaw fell and he went into shock. "I never thought about that," he replied. He turned white. Sixty-five years after the fact. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 12:59:08 AM EDT
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I am sure the pic is my grandpa. And his name was Ed Sego. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because I was wondering the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. I am sure the pic is my grandpa. And his name was Ed Sego. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because I was wondering the same thing. Somehow you, being a direct relative, could request his service records. Someone here will know how. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:03:19 AM EDT
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Possibly the unit had a photographer come out and do unit pics or it was done near the base. The uniforms would have probably been "cutaways", and a photographer for a marine unit might not have thought to take navy blues with him. You'll note he's goofing off with the hat, not something you would do for promotion photos or official photos.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:11:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somehow you, being a direct relative, could request his service records. Someone here will know how. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. I am sure the pic is my grandpa. And his name was Ed Sego. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because I was wondering the same thing. Somehow you, being a direct relative, could request his service records. Someone here will know how. I believe that during WWII FMF corpsman, where issued complete Marine uniforms. Vs now, where they can wear Marine uniforms with Navy ranks. Due to high death rate they where counted as Marines, on most listings of battle deaths. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:12:13 AM EDT
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I've seen pics of USN Corpsmen attached to Marines wearing a USMC Dress Greens with USN insignia in places but never the Dress Blues. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg They wouldn't have worn blues, though. The greens weren't a dress uniform back then, they were a field uniform still at the start of the war. USN forces ashore, including landing forces from the ship's company, were authorized by regulations to wear a modified version of the USMC uniform as field dress, but aside from personnel attached directly to Marine units, they often were not able to acquire complete uniforms (so you'd see a landing party with a mix of dungarees and USMC uniform items on, for example, although officers often were able to get complete sets). This practice is also the origin of the aviation working green and khaki uniforms, which are a more significant modification of the USMC field uniform. Basically, the USMC buttons were replaced with subdued USN buttons, the EGAs were omitted from the collar, the hat or cap insignia was replaced with a USN insignia (which was different for chiefs, other enlisted, warrant officers, commissioned officers, and midshipmen, and which was not subdued), and the rank insignia was changed (officers had black silk lace on the sleeves, enlisted men had their naval rank insignia on the right or left sleeve, depending on whether or not they were a line rating, as well as service stripes, in black on green or khaki; often the black insignia was not available, so the insignia from the blues was sewn on instead). Just about everything else was the same. But again, the dress blues would have been the standard USN uniform. There was no real reason to adopt the Marine uniform. The Marine field uniform was modified and adopted for practical reasons, and there was no practical reason to adopt the dress uniform. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:15:15 AM EDT
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I've seen pics of USN Corpsmen attached to Marines wearing a USMC Dress Greens with USN insignia in places but never the Dress Blues. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:24:42 AM EDT
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are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:27:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:32:45 AM EDT
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Semper fi! That is freaking awesome!!!!
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:32:58 AM EDT
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_06_2012/post-1848-1339295844.jpg The mil had a lot more uniforms back then. I don't believe that would have been worn the same as blues. I know dad (Army) missed his pinks and his Ike jacket. He wore khaki or TWs wherever and whenever possible. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:35:05 AM EDT
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that is a really cool find. many thanks to your grandfather for the sacrifices he and his unit endured during the fight in the pacific. one of my great-uncles was K.I.A toward the end of the campaign in the pacific. R.I.P |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:37:24 AM EDT
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_06_2012/post-1848-1339295844.jpg The OP's grandfather is wearing a Marine Corps Blue Dress uniform, not a USMC service uniform. AFAIK, the navy corpsmen in WWII wore Army field gear as well as USMC, but subject at hand is the grandfather's USMC blue dress uniform. I find it hard to believe that the Navy would let its enlisted men wear a USMC Blue Dress uniform. You'd have to prove that one to me before I believe it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:38:47 AM EDT
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The mil had a lot more uniforms back then. I don't believe that would have been worn the same as blues. I know dad (Army) missed his pinks and his Ike jacket. He wore khaki or TWs wherever and whenever possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_06_2012/post-1848-1339295844.jpg The mil had a lot more uniforms back then. I don't believe that would have been worn the same as blues. I know dad (Army) missed his pinks and his Ike jacket. He wore khaki or TWs wherever and whenever possible. I believe that Corpsman and RPs are allowed to wear Marine uniforms (with Navy insignia) when attached to Marine units....with the exception of the Marine Dress Blues. But, it's been awhile and the regs could have changed since then. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:41:00 AM EDT
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The OP's grandfather is wearing a Marine Corps Blue Dress uniform, not a USMC service uniform. AFAIK, the navy corpsmen in WWII wore Army field gear as well as USMC, but subject at hand is the grandfather's USMC blue dress uniform. I find it hard to believe that the Navy would let it's enlisted men wear a USMC Blue Dress uniform. You'd have to prove that one to me before I believe it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_06_2012/post-1848-1339295844.jpg The OP's grandfather is wearing a Marine Corps Blue Dress uniform, not a USMC service uniform. AFAIK, the navy corpsmen in WWII wore Army field gear as well as USMC, but subject at hand is the grandfather's USMC blue dress uniform. I find it hard to believe that the Navy would let it's enlisted men wear a USMC Blue Dress uniform. You'd have to prove that one to me before I believe it. Nope. Not dress blues. As far as what the regs were during the 40s - who knows? |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:42:58 AM EDT
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That is one hell of a find
 My Grandfather was a SeaBee in the pacific during that time and I have no idea where he served although I do remember him telling me that the panthers on his forearms were tatoo'd in the Philippines. I inherited an ivory carved walrus he sent home when he was in the Aleutians to my Grandmother. Its the only thing of his I have besides good memories fishing. I'd be talking to someone who is knowledgeable in displaying and preserving things of this nature if I were you. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:43:07 AM EDT
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Theres not a William dill on there is it? I have a picture of my grandpas name signed on a similar flag. He was 5th Marine Division. Also occupied Nagasaki. Sorry I missed this. I will ask my uncle tomorrow. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:47:36 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a SeaBee in the pacific during that time and I have no idea where he served although I do remember him telling me that the panthers on his forearms were tatoo'd in the Philippines. I inherited an ivory carved walrus he sent home when he was in the Aleutians to my Grandmother. Its the only thing of his I have besides good memories fishing. I'd be talking to someone who is knowledgeable in displaying and preserving things of this nature if I were you. My other grandpa was a Seabee as well. Pretty sure he was building airstrips in Saipan IIRC. As far as preserving it, and as much as I'd love to have it, I think a museum would be the best place for it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:49:01 AM EDT
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That is some good shit right there. Congrats OP.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:50:03 AM EDT
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Anyone else notice the sideways EGA? With the crooked cover, that might just be a picture from his Marine buddies get him lit up.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 1:51:14 AM EDT
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Cool thread.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:01:43 AM EDT
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he was assigned to 2/6, which is still around. Regimental HQ is off River Rd at MCB Camp Lejeune, NC. I used to work behind them at MSB, RSU just past the traffic circle.
2nd Bn ,6th Marine Rgt., 2nd MarDiv. 2nd MarDiv used to be at Camp Pendleton at some point before they ended up in NC. I believe the "indian head" insignia was adopted from the Army's 2nd Infantry Div. during WWI. The only thing I can fathom was that your grandpa was allowed to take a picture in a dress blue jacket and cover after graduating from FMSSS or whatever it's called or was called back in WWII, where USN Corpsmen went to learn how to work "green side" with the Marines. In boot camp, we did the same thing in terms of pictures in third phase for our "graduation photo", and the jacket was a cut-down version of the dress blue uniform that only went down to about the middle of the torso. You couldn't tell by the way the picture was taken. The "dress blue" garments were designed to get a hundred or so recruits through the photography process in 45 minutes or less. A lot of things in the Corps are the same from that era, but a lot of things have changed since then too. Nothing would surprise me in terms of a USN Corpsman assigned to a Marine infantry battalion wearing dress blues for a picture during WWII. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:03:54 AM EDT
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Anyone else notice the sideways EGA? With the crooked cover, that might just be a picture from his Marine buddies get him lit up. That was the fashion back then. My FIL (I never met him-he died years before I married his daughter) was in the Army during WWII, and his picture was taken in his "class A" service uniform with his cover tilted way the fuck over on his gord. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:08:30 AM EDT
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are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. *Only* 124 billion USD? I didn't think being poor was something people bragged about, but I guess people have no pride in themselves anymore 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:13:35 AM EDT
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I'd frame it.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:18:34 AM EDT
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Very cool OP. Are those bullet holes in the Japanese Flag?
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:26:19 AM EDT
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he was assigned to 2/6, which is still around. Regimental HQ is off River Rd at MCB Camp Lejeune, NC. I used to work behind them at MSB, RSU just past the traffic circle. 2nd Bn ,6th Marine Rgt., 2nd MarDiv. 2nd MarDiv used to be at Camp Pendleton at some point before they ended up in NC. I believe the "indian head" insignia was adopted from the Army's 2nd Infantry Div. during WWI. The only thing I can fathom was that your grandpa was allowed to take a picture in a dress blue jacket and cover after graduating from FMSSS or whatever it's called or was called back in WWII, where USN Corpsmen went to learn how to work "green side" with the Marines. In boot camp, we did the same thing in terms of pictures in third phase for our "graduation photo", and the jacket was a cut-down version of the dress blue uniform that only went down to about the middle of the torso. You couldn't tell by the way the picture was taken. The "dress blue" garments were designed to get a hundred or so recruits through the photography process in 45 minutes or less. A lot of things in the Corps are the same from that era, but a lot of things have changed since then too. Nothing would surprise me in terms of a USN Corpsman assigned to a Marine infantry battalion wearing dress blues for a picture during WWII. Quote HistoryQuoted:
he was assigned to 2/6, which is still around. Regimental HQ is off River Rd at MCB Camp Lejeune, NC. I used to work behind them at MSB, RSU just past the traffic circle. 2nd Bn ,6th Marine Rgt., 2nd MarDiv. 2nd MarDiv used to be at Camp Pendleton at some point before they ended up in NC. I believe the "indian head" insignia was adopted from the Army's 2nd Infantry Div. during WWI. The only thing I can fathom was that your grandpa was allowed to take a picture in a dress blue jacket and cover after graduating from FMSSS or whatever it's called or was called back in WWII, where USN Corpsmen went to learn how to work "green side" with the Marines. In boot camp, we did the same thing in terms of pictures in third phase for our "graduation photo", and the jacket was a cut-down version of the dress blue uniform that only went down to about the middle of the torso. You couldn't tell by the way the picture was taken. The "dress blue" garments were designed to get a hundred or so recruits through the photography process in 45 minutes or less. A lot of things in the Corps are the same from that era, but a lot of things have changed since then too. Nothing would surprise me in terms of a USN Corpsman assigned to a Marine infantry battalion wearing dress blues for a picture during WWII. You've been a great help! If my uncle doesn't have a copy of the DD214 I'll see if I can get a copy myself from the VA, just to verify. Quoted:
Very cool OP. Are those bullet holes in the Japanese Flag? No idea. I've only seen the flag via pictures so far. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:29:02 AM EDT
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Are you sure that the picture is the same person? The photo is a Marine, not a Navy Corpsman. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. *Only* 124 billion USD? I didn't think being poor was something people bragged about, but I guess people have no pride in themselves anymore WTF I'm not poor, I'm highly educated and well paid, and I direct a large portion of my income into savings. Can you guys never restrain yourself from acting like a hard on? Being a humorless drone and compulsive rule follower is not a manly personality trait, it's the product of neurotic hysteria. You know perfectly well that this throwaway joke I made does not reflect negatively on me in any way, and by pretending otherwise you fool nobody. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:31:59 AM EDT
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That is awesome. Cherish it
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:36:21 AM EDT
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The guys saying it's a "Cut down" dress blue blouse probably have it right. They were mounted and you just pushed your chest into it for the photo.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:40:49 AM EDT
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Maybe see if the local Honda dealership has a nice spot on the wall.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:59:59 AM EDT
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That was the fashion back then. My FIL (I never met him-he died years before I married his daughter) was in the Army during WWII, and his picture was taken in his "class A" service uniform with his cover tilted way the fuck over on his gord. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else notice the sideways EGA? With the crooked cover, that might just be a picture from his Marine buddies get him lit up. That was the fashion back then. My FIL (I never met him-he died years before I married his daughter) was in the Army during WWII, and his picture was taken in his "class A" service uniform with his cover tilted way the fuck over on his gord. They were still doing it in the 80's. At least the photographers were. This was from 1988 when I transitioned from Reserves to Active duty (which is why I'm wearing a shoulder patch) at Fort Benning. I had to go through Repo Depot with all the new 'cruits so had to do the picture thing again. My original pic from 1986 has the c*nt cap cockeyed way off to the side too (even though we weren't allowed to wear them like that, the photographers were obsessed with it). I actually fought the photographer over this one and kept straightening it out, even told him he's making us look like clowns, but his fashion sense was just too "FABULOUSS" to win the argument. We kinda met 50/50, he wanted it almost hanging off the side of our heads. 
Grampa's was a little cockeyed too. This was the weekend he came home in '45. I also have ove of his brother and the hat is so far off to the side I don't know how it's staying on his head. 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 3:09:05 AM EDT
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You have some work to do OP: I would try to run down the families of those who signed the flag and show it to them.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 3:13:24 AM EDT
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OP that's an amazing souvenir especially considering the emotions and traumatic events of the time. Make sure your uncle keeps it in the family.
My grandfather never talked to me about WWII until he was dying. I was in the Army at the time and other than all his cousins serving in the Army in WWII (one died at Anzio) I was the only other soldier in the family. The rest were Navy and Air Force. He pulled out all his medals and pictures from fighting in the Philippines and gave them to me. Among those items was a hardcover notebook he took off a dead Japanese soldier that he used as an address book for all the guys in his unit, and a couple of Irish poems were written in there (his parents immigrated to the US in 1911). I'm doing my best to preserve it. The cover. Someone here translated the Japanese writing to indicate it came from a Japanese metal factory 
Some of the many pages of names (I knew Albert Stas growing up, they stayed clese friends) 
One of the poems 
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Posted: 4/17/2016 3:37:32 AM EDT
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I've seen pics of USN Corpsmen attached to Marines wearing a USMC Dress Greens with USN insignia in places but never the Dress Blues. But apparently it is kosher: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115445-usmc-dress-blues-with-navy-ratings-insignia/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2011/post-214-1310613180.jpg are you being serious? that uniform is about as "kosher" as a 3 dollar bill. I'm far from an expert on such stuff but I will officially bet you my life savings, all 124 billion dollars, that the US Navy has Navy dress uniforms for Navy personnel. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_06_2012/post-1848-1339295844.jpg The OP's grandfather is wearing a Marine Corps Blue Dress uniform, not a USMC service uniform. AFAIK, the navy corpsmen in WWII wore Army field gear as well as USMC, but subject at hand is the grandfather's USMC blue dress uniform. I find it hard to believe that the Navy would let it's enlisted men wear a USMC Blue Dress uniform. You'd have to prove that one to me before I believe it. Nope. Not dress blues. As far as what the regs were during the 40s - who knows? I've read the old regs from the WW2 era and earlier. USMC blues were not worn by USN personnel, although bandsmen wore a uniform cut from the same pattern (different buttons, insignia, and piping, though). The field uniform, with modifications, was all that was allowed, and all USN personnel could wear it in the field. There are pictures of sailors on landing parties from ships wearing them, even campaign hats. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 3:40:30 AM EDT
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he was assigned to 2/6, which is still around. Regimental HQ is off River Rd at MCB Camp Lejeune, NC. I used to work behind them at MSB, RSU just past the traffic circle. 2nd Bn ,6th Marine Rgt., 2nd MarDiv. 2nd MarDiv used to be at Camp Pendleton at some point before they ended up in NC. I believe the "indian head" insignia was adopted from the Army's 2nd Infantry Div. during WWI. The only thing I can fathom was that your grandpa was allowed to take a picture in a dress blue jacket and cover after graduating from FMSSS or whatever it's called or was called back in WWII, where USN Corpsmen went to learn how to work "green side" with the Marines. In boot camp, we did the same thing in terms of pictures in third phase for our "graduation photo", and the jacket was a cut-down version of the dress blue uniform that only went down to about the middle of the torso. You couldn't tell by the way the picture was taken. The "dress blue" garments were designed to get a hundred or so recruits through the photography process in 45 minutes or less. A lot of things in the Corps are the same from that era, but a lot of things have changed since then too. Nothing would surprise me in terms of a USN Corpsman assigned to a Marine infantry battalion wearing dress blues for a picture during WWII. That seems like the most plausible explanation, especially after looking at the regs from back then. |
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