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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:45:08 AM EDT
[#1]
Uh oh...
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:45:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Did I just read it will take an estimated 30 minutes to fill out the new form?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:46:11 AM EDT
[#3]
A half hour to complete it? Goddamn, it takes me about 2 minutes.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:46:39 AM EDT
[#4]
I'm sure this is gun owner friendly and will expedite the whole gun buying process.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:46:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:46:48 AM EDT
[#6]
FTBATE
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:47:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure this is gun owner friendly and will expedite the whole gun buying process.  |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:48:10 AM EDT
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Did I just read it will take an estimated 30 minutes to fill out the new form? That is probably the amount of time it would take an hourly wage government employee to fill it out. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:48:18 AM EDT
[#9]
Well this is sure to the buyers benefit.......
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:48:40 AM EDT
[#10]
"background checks are not a registration."
the rest of my comment....is best kept to myself for now... |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:49:49 AM EDT
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Fuck them. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:50:21 AM EDT
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I haven't been able to snag a copy of the proposed revision yet. Here's the notice that will be published in the Federal Register tomorrow. https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-07970.pdf Hell, free state or not, when you have an overbearing federal government... A.W.D. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:50:22 AM EDT
[#13]
Fuck Obama.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:50:42 AM EDT
[#14]
This will drastically reduce the murder rate on the south side of Chicago.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:51:07 AM EDT
[#15]
This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:51:29 AM EDT
[#16]
30 minutes to fill out the public response or the revised form 4473?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:52:25 AM EDT
[#17]
If it truly takes 30min to fill out the only possible benefit would be for me to rethink my purchase and save my money.
But on a truly serious note, FATF two times. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:52:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Since I'm basically out of fucks I'll just buy ammo until my slab cracks. FBHO.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:52:52 AM EDT
[#19]
Congratulations on increasing FTF sales, dumbass.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:53:26 AM EDT
[#20]
FBHO
FBATFE F4473 |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:53:32 AM EDT
[#21]
30 minutes to allow time for the essay portion.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:53:52 AM EDT
[#22]
They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file.
With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:54:53 AM EDT
[#23]
I'm sure people were not happy about record sales month after month after month. So their bright idea was to make it more difficult to try to slow down sales.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:55:42 AM EDT
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:55:53 AM EDT
[#25]
Oh, joy.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:56:10 AM EDT
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They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file. With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. So, they're going to basically ban all firearms in NJ then. Since we aren't allowed to obtain a CCW here because we're barely allowed gun ownership. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:56:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Enough already
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:56:50 AM EDT
[#28]
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This is more than likely accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. This is on the current 4473 The estimated average burden associated with this collection is 30 minutes per
respondent or recordkeeper, depending on individual circumstances. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:57:06 AM EDT
[#29]
I wish they'd reduce something on the front page so at least the transferee could sign at the bottom of the form on the first page. Also, remove a bunch of the silly questions and have a big box at the top that says, "If you have a CHL enter the number here and just sign at the bottom".
The half a dozen boxes dealing with NICS denials, delays, etc. operator ID numbers etc should be gotten rid of and just fix the background check process. It should be more like a credit card transaction. Immediate yes/no answer. Most of my calls are taking 20 minutes on hold these days. Unacceptable. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:57:29 AM EDT
[#30]
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They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file. With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. Isn't the 4473 required on purchase from an FFL? Even with a LTC here you still are required to fill out the 4473. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:57:36 AM EDT
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They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file. With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. You still have to fill out the 4473 form, though. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:58:39 AM EDT
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Did I just read it will take an estimated 30 minutes to fill out the new form? 9,000,000+ hours will be spent filling out 4473s this year. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 9:58:44 AM EDT
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This is on the current 4473 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. This is on the current 4473 The estimated average burden associated with this collection is 30 minutes per
respondent or recordkeeper, depending on individual circumstances. Oh so a govt 30min? Not a normal person 30min? Well they should specify. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:00:15 AM EDT
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This is on the current 4473 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. This is on the current 4473 The estimated average burden associated with this collection is 30 minutes per
respondent or recordkeeper, depending on individual circumstances. Exactly. It takes us only a few minutes because we have the info and answers down pat, imagine if you had never done one before and decided to read the entire thing. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:00:22 AM EDT
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Oh so a govt 30min? Not a normal person 30min? Well they should specify. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. This is on the current 4473 The estimated average burden associated with this collection is 30 minutes per
respondent or recordkeeper, depending on individual circumstances. Oh so a govt 30min? Not a normal person 30min? Well they should specify. Yes. Gov't time. Probably the usual 2-3 minutes for most people. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:00:35 AM EDT
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This is more than likely accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. For someone just a shade smarter than a bag of hammers. We hope. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:00:56 AM EDT
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The first priority of any government agency is to ensure their job security.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:01:11 AM EDT
[#38]
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You still have to fill out the 4473 form, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file. With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. You still have to fill out the 4473 form, though. LOL, you aren't running fast enough then. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:02:18 AM EDT
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Enough already Oh hardly........ 
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:02:28 AM EDT
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If anything is marked wrong or misspelled then the buyer is disqualified and can now face charges for inaccurately filling out a very complicated form.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:03:05 AM EDT
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This is the federal govt after all. I would guess this non-registration form will now have you list each and every gun you have EVER owned whether during or prior to the 4473 time span.
Just saying it is going to be part of the next Obama executive order. I know I shouldn't give them ideas!! EBR666 |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:03:07 AM EDT
[#42]
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They are probably doing this to push you toward getting your CCW that way they have a pic and prints on file. With my CCW I don't have to do the background check. Thanks to some liberal anti-gun attorney a lot of FFL's in my area have been spooked into running NICS on purchasers even if they have a CHL that exempts them. I am not one of those FFL's. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:03:16 AM EDT
[#43]
whats that you say? I should stock up on 80% lowers?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:03:30 AM EDT
[#44]
I can't remember the last time I actually read it. Done so many I just fill in the blanks, check the appropriate boxes, sign, show ccw permit and hit the door. But it did take a few minutes the first time I did one.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:04:09 AM EDT
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Exactly. It takes us only a few minutes because we have the info and answers down pat, imagine if you had never done one before and decided to read the entire thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might be a big "stick it to gun owners". Or it might just be a minor change and the 30 minutes includes the average reading, comprehension and data collection for a person that has never filled out a 4473. This is more than likely accurate. This is on the current 4473 The estimated average burden associated with this collection is 30 minutes per
respondent or recordkeeper, depending on individual circumstances. Exactly. It takes us only a few minutes because we have the info and answers down pat, imagine if you had never done one before and decided to read the entire thing. So maybe 15 min?
Sounds about right actually. Take the average time and double it = govt time. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:04:57 AM EDT
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I can't remember the last time I actually read it. Done so many I just fill in the blanks, check the appropriate boxes, sign, show ccw permit and hit the door. But it did take a few minutes the first time I did one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've considered having a full page sized stamp made so that all I need to do is stamp it, sign and date it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:05:30 AM EDT
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I'll just take a stack home, and keep prefilled ones in my glove compartment.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've considered having a full page sized stamp made so that all I need to do is stamp it, sign and date it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't remember the last time I actually read it. Done so many I just fill in the blanks, check the appropriate boxes, sign, show ccw permit and hit the door. But it did take a few minutes the first time I did one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've considered having a full page sized stamp made so that all I need to do is stamp it, sign and date it. Dude, make and sell those. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:06:19 AM EDT
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6 An estimate of the total public burden (in hours) associated with the collection: The estimated annual public burden associated with this collection is 9,137,620 hours.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 10:07:53 AM EDT
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If you lose the two casings that came with your new gun plan on prison.
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