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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:19:58 AM EDT
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If they are so inclined, I have observed the tab concealed under the BDU/uniform shirt flap. I am not a Navy guy, and this is anecdotal. SEALS and Rangers have been learning to coexist and speak each others...language...since at least GW1.
ETA-You may want to ask someone who is a little more current/recent, we have at least one well established member that recently retired...was a senior NCO and I believe a RI. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:27:17 AM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:28:07 AM EDT
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Do they get a Ranger tab? Never seen that on a sailor uniform, but I know many team guys go through Ranger school They get a tab, but it is not authorized for wear on their uniform. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:31:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they are so inclined, I have observed the tab concealed under the BDU/uniform shirt flap. I am not a Navy guy, and this is anecdotal. SEALS and Rangers have been learning to coexist and speak each others...language...since at least GW1. ETA-You may want to ask someone who is a little more current/recent, we have at least one well established member that recently retired...was a senior NCO and I believe a RI. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:35:30 AM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'd be interested to see how they would do. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:44:13 AM EDT
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Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere.... 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:49:21 AM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere.... lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:53:45 AM EDT
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The Marines that I knew that graduated Ranger School, sewed their tab on the underside of their upper left pocket flap, on the BDU top.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:54:23 AM EDT
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lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Link? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:55:33 AM EDT
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lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere.... lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. SEALS are like a fish when in water.... They're also like a fish when out of water.... 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:56:53 AM EDT
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Wish we could tag users. FREEFALLE7
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:57:27 AM EDT
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lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere.... lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Not any more. They don't even speak the language. The majority come in via SEAL pipeline with no time in the fleet. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I would think a SEAL that completed their brutal training would not wash out of Ranger school, but maybe it has happened. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:00:40 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'm sure they do fine, but I'm sure it's challenging. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:02:09 PM EDT
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lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere.... lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. All of these organizations hit above their own weight. What makes them all special is they can do the basics, consistently well. Finishing schools like Ranger give instant street cred when they all get to work together...patrolling and raiding in particular. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:02:46 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'm sure they do fine, but I'm sure it's challenging. its a lot easier when you are stealing chow. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:02:54 PM EDT
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I only personally know a few SEALs who have attended Ranger school. Of those, a few do sew the tab on whatever set of cammies they actually have all of their stuff sewn on (most people don't bother with patches for field cammies, the uniforms are replaced too often and its a massive pain in the ass). I know one SEAL officer who completed the SFQC (part of an exchange program that did not continue). He wears the long tab everywhere and no one says shit. That could be of his extroridnarilly high rank (last I saw him, he may have retired) or due to his being a huge badass.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:06:39 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1.
It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side.... http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:08:08 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'm sure they do fine, but I'm sure it's challenging. its a lot easier when you are stealing chow. Initiative. If the Army guys had it, they'd be doing the same thing. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:09:45 PM EDT
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Initiative. If the Army guys had it, they'd be doing the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'm sure they do fine, but I'm sure it's challenging. its a lot easier when you are stealing chow. Initiative. If the Army guys had it, they'd be doing the same thing. you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:10:26 PM EDT
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I went through in 1991. There were two SEALs in my class. They drew some special attention from the RIs during the swim test, after that they had no issues. I was PL for planning phase for a patrol in the mountains. Handed it off to a SEAL for execution, I was his RTO, and didn't really have to give him any help. Both graduated.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:12:23 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:20:44 PM EDT
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I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old. I feel your pain. Take a knee. ETA, not being snarky. Kneeling while schlepping gear, and back compression issues from cumulative hard impacts...and getting older, sucks. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:22:13 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old. I feel your pain. Take a knee. SEALS get to CLEP RANGER SCHOOL... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:22:49 PM EDT
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:25:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:28:00 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I'm sure they do fine, but I'm sure it's challenging. its a lot easier when you are stealing chow. Initiative. If the Army guys had it, they'd be doing the same thing. you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' and if you get caught you're not trying hard enough.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. After they broke into the supply room Needless to say both were kicked out. We had a Seal CDR come though when he was doing some staff time. He was squared away and honestly I had his go written right after his Oporder. He was sucking a bit as he was in his late 30s like when I went to RS, but he did a good job Some Seals wear their tab sewn under their pocket, some don't care about badges after they get their Trident, I know I wouldnt
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:35:57 PM EDT
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I saw a SEAL LCDR with a Ranger tab sewn onto his DCUs in Bahrain. I seriously doubt anyone says anything to him.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:39:35 PM EDT
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Seems like they'd lose a lot of their "look at me driving around without a shirt on in my Jeep" muscle mass.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:42:27 PM EDT
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lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Link? Differences between DELTA and ST6 From the article: To put it best; my good friend, a squad leader with the Rangers, who has hit countless objectives side by side with ST6 expresses that the unit is incapable of making the switch from “operators” to “basic infantry grunts” when the need to do so arises. It’s not a fault of the unit but simply a by-product of where the shooters were “raised.” Also from the article: There is no “special” way to react to an ambush or contact that is taught only to SOF units and kept hidden from other units. React to ambush is a basic infantry battle drill, and when shit hits the fan you better believe a Delta operator will be doing the same thing an 11-Bravo private from the 101st is doing on an Afghan objective somewhere else. Here is where some of the “cultural” differences play a major part in how both units operate. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Link? Delta are usually full of former infantrymen, and so when shit hits the fan, they act like Infantry and do Infantry shit. That is very important in those situations. SEALs on the other hand, not so much. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:17:13 PM EDT
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I have never served, so flame suit on, but to me on the outside, it seems Ranger School to a SEAL is like a major league baseball player getting sent down to the AAA farm team to work on his batting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Not really. The army just has a tremendous budget and facilities for training that other branches don't. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:28:24 PM EDT
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Not really. The army just has a tremendous budget and facilities for training that other branches don't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Not really. The army just has a tremendous budget and facilities for training that other branches don't. This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:32:27 PM EDT
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Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) I bet Ranger School officers give hell to non Army types. My friend was built/fit and at CHP training the instructors gave him hell more than the rest of the class. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet Ranger School officers give hell to non Army types. My friend was built/fit and at CHP training the instructors gave him hell more than the rest of the class. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) I bet Ranger School officers give hell to non Army types. My friend was built/fit and at CHP training the instructors gave him hell more than the rest of the class. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:37:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Not really. The army just has a tremendous budget and facilities for training that other branches don't. This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. Never met a person whoever got to work with SEALs that were impressed with them. I personally have worked with them and can attest, I was thinking their tactical "prowess" was a joke and a VAAAAAST overstatement by Hollywood But hey, they sure as fuck are squared away on hair gel and sunglasses. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:37:57 PM EDT
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I have a buddy (Marine Officer) that went through Ranger School while he was an enlisted EOD Marine. He wears a Ranger tab under his pocket flap.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Link? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:02:43 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old. I feel your pain. Take a knee. SEALS get to CLEP RANGER SCHOOL... There was a SEAL from Team 1 in my Ranger School platoon. He sprained his ankle the first week on the land navigation course. He finished Ranger School and never missed a beat. As I recall, he was 36yoa and the oldest student in the class. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:19:48 PM EDT
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I have never served, so flame suit on, but to me on the outside, it seems Ranger School to a SEAL is like a major league baseball player getting sent down to the AAA farm team to work on his batting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. There's no "pecking order" in Special Operations. Different units do different missions, though there is cross-training. There's not a chance in hell every SEAL team combined could accomplish what a single Ranger company can when it comes to strategic raids, and there's 3 Ranger Battalions with 3 companies each (at least in my day), plus a Headquarters Company. Ranger missions rarely involve an entire battalion, but usually operate at Platoon, or Company level. In my experience, there is not a more disciplined military person anywhere, than a U.S. Army Ranger. Ranger School and/or watching Blackhawk Down does not make one a Ranger. RANGER SCHOOL IS NOT THE SAME AS SERVING IN THE RANGER REGIMENT. (edited for manners). 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:23:08 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Good One.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:24:22 PM EDT
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S?
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:26:12 PM EDT
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:27:31 PM EDT
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Never met a person whoever got to work with SEALs that were impressed with them. I personally have worked with them and can attest, I was thinking their tactical "prowess" was a joke and a VAAAAAST overstatement by Hollywood But hey, they sure as fuck are squared away on hair gel and sunglasses.
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This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. Never met a person whoever got to work with SEALs that were impressed with them. I personally have worked with them and can attest, I was thinking their tactical "prowess" was a joke and a VAAAAAST overstatement by Hollywood But hey, they sure as fuck are squared away on hair gel and sunglasses.
You guys just tag-teamed my heroes. First they were kicked into the dirt then they were stomped into a puddle and the dirt kicked back over them. I guess I'll go back to my hero worship of the cops. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:28:50 PM EDT
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Was that what it was like when you were a SEAL? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:29:03 PM EDT
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This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. Never met a person whoever got to work with SEALs that were impressed with them. I personally have worked with them and can attest, I was thinking their tactical "prowess" was a joke and a VAAAAAST overstatement by Hollywood But hey, they sure as fuck are squared away on hair gel and sunglasses.
You guys just tag-teamed my heroes. First they were kicked into the dirt then they were stomped into a puddle and the dirt kicked back over them. I guess I'll go back to my hero worship of the cops. In my limited experience with SEAL's, they didn't seem to take things very seriously. Rangers on the other hand, rehearsed prior to missions and appeared to be extremely professional. They're both way better than me. |
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? |
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