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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:19:14 AM EDT
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare.
She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:22:49 AM EDT
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. It will be like the DMV. 
seriously though it will happen where primary care is not done by a doctor. it will be a P.A. or nurse practitioner and a Dr. will be the two up person. Hope everyone enjoys not seeing a real Dr. for most of their needs. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:24:08 AM EDT
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My brother in law is a thoracic (Heart) surgeon. He just stopped practicing this year. He is ~57.
Heart surgeons don't grow on trees. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:24:38 AM EDT
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My doctor told me that if it wasn't for his loyalty towards his patients, he'd retire. I do know he isn't accepting new patients, hasn't for some time.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:25:29 AM EDT
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:29:58 AM EDT
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. 
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:35:00 AM EDT
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My doctor told me that if it wasn't for his loyalty towards his patients, he'd retire. I do know he isn't accepting new patients, hasn't for some time. My doctor as well. Soon enough we will be stuck with a VA-like system with abysmal doctors. Shining city on a hill, my ass. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:45:33 AM EDT
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She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:47:02 AM EDT
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground.
poor people will still get shit medical care and the lower middle class will go from good health care to the same shitty stuff the poor have. upper middle class will pay extra and still get good medical care. your wife should prepare to do general practice for cash and have a referral network to cash specialists for those who can afford it and a kiosk in her office where those who can't afford good care sign up for obamacare platinum for one year to hopefully get treated before they die. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:48:50 AM EDT
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Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. I say go general practice for cash. lower overhead, no paperwork, can develop a real practice with real patients and less headaches. less money, possibily, but dentists and plastic surgeons do very well in the same model. specialists making a fortune through insurance companies may be a dead model. everybody needs family practice, however. just never, ever do it for the government. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:49:00 AM EDT
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No worries. When we go full blown communist, children will be selected at random and told they will go to medical school and we will have plenty of great doctors. Our gymnastics program will probably improve as well.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:52:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor? Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. She wants to do emergency med. It's what she's always wanted to do. She was a teacher (high school physics and biology) for a few years, so she's not sure she wants to go down that road again. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:56:08 AM EDT
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License to practice medicine will be contingent on accepting 0bamacare. "Off the books or cash " med care will be as legal as heroine or crack cocaine in this country.
Only the rich will have good care, and it will be done in other countries, not the USA. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:56:47 AM EDT
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She wants to do emergency med. It's what she's always wanted to do. She was a teacher (high school physics and biology) for a few years, so she's not sure she wants to go down that road again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
Specialize, specialize, specialize. Hopefully she goes into something that has very little encroachment from mid-level providers. Fellowship always helps, but doesn't always pay off financially depending in what it is. Does she have Any interest in academics? There tends to be a bit more stability there, but the pay can suck ass too. She wants to do emergency med. It's what she's always wanted to do. She was a teacher (high school physics and biology) for a few years, so she's not sure she wants to go down that road again. she'll be broke. thats the one place where those can't pay go to be seen. and thats the one place the government will pay nothing for those who do it. shitty hours, shitty patients, and then the lawsuit when the wrong demographic has a runny nose and demands to be seen immediately and YOUR wife fails to see her in a timely manner because a white person with a severed arm walks in. i can already tell your wife is a racist. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:57:27 AM EDT
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License to practice medicine will be contingent on accepting 0bamacare. "Off the books or cash " med care will be as legal as heroine or crack cocaine in this country. Only the rich will have good care, and it will be done in other countries, not the USA. Noted. I have to accept obamacare. I don't have to accept patients. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:58:19 AM EDT
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I've seen the technology - soon you will be getting a diagnosis by a high definition camera and a dr in another room - state - country.
The libs have killed your personal relationships with your; teacher, boss, child, wife, pastor and now DR. Your lives are now officially on the line. Charles Remington: We have an expression in prize fighting: "Everyone has a plan until they've been hit." Well my friend, you've just been hit. The getting up is up to you. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:01:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:04:41 AM EDT
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Not one but two doctors that practiced where my Mother and Fathers doctor practices whom they have been seeing for over 15 years, up and quit practicing medicine dumping their patients on my parents doctor. Because of this instead calling and getting an appointment in 2-3 days it can take them up to 6 weeks to get in and see their doctor, if they can't wait they can see nurse practitioner some what earlier or have been advised to go to one of those emergency care clinics. I am afraid Obamacare is going to kill a whole lot of elderly in the US simply because they will no longer be able to see their doctors in a timely manner. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:05:54 AM EDT
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If I was thinking about med school, I'd switch to becoming a veterinarian instead. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:07:22 AM EDT
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground. Basically already happening, I forget the name of it but they have several medical practices in my area that get great reviews and work for cash. You pay "X" dollars a month and that gets you at home doctor visits, quality care and covers most medical procedures that can be done at your local doctor's office (sutures, exams, certain scans etc...) it does not cover you for major injuries or ER visits. They aren't underground, but they don't accept medical insurance, you pay them a monthly fee and get great care through that doctor's office. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:12:31 AM EDT
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I am afraid Obamacare is going to kill a whole lot of elderly in the US simply because they will no longer be able to see their doctors in a timely manner. That's one way to SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY!!! |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:20:17 AM EDT
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Not one but two doctors that practiced where my Mother and Fathers doctor practices whom they have been seeing for over 15 years, up and quit practicing medicine dumping their patients on my parents doctor. Because of this instead calling and getting an appointment in 2-3 days it can take them up to 6 weeks to get in and see their doctor, if they can't wait they can see nurse practitioner some what earlier or have been advised to go to one of those emergency care clinics. I am afraid Obamacare is going to kill a whole lot of elderly in the US simply because they will no longer be able to see their doctors in a timely manner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not one but two doctors that practiced where my Mother and Fathers doctor practices whom they have been seeing for over 15 years, up and quit practicing medicine dumping their patients on my parents doctor. Because of this instead calling and getting an appointment in 2-3 days it can take them up to 6 weeks to get in and see their doctor, if they can't wait they can see nurse practitioner some what earlier or have been advised to go to one of those emergency care clinics. I am afraid Obamacare is going to kill a whole lot of elderly in the US simply because they will no longer be able to see their doctors in a timely manner. Thats the plan kill off the elderly, they are the main drain on resources. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:20:34 AM EDT
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground. poor people will still get shit medical care and the lower middle class will go from good health care to the same shitty stuff the poor have. upper middle class will pay extra and still get good medical care. your wife should prepare to do general practice for cash and have a referral network to cash specialists for those who can afford it and a kiosk in her office where those who can't afford good care sign up for obamacare platinum for one year to hopefully get treated before they die. That's what I see happening, too--until the .gov "fixes" Obamacare by making giving or seeking medical care outside the system a felony. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:22:11 AM EDT
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I provide IT support for area small businesses. And I can't tell you how many medical clients are gone because of ACA. Any of the small practices that haven't been gobbled up by the conglomerates with providers aged 50 or slightly over just simply packed up and retired early. Just in our family, we've lost 3 doctors that simply said "Im out."
They were already teetering with reduced payments from medicare/medicaid and increasing malpractice insurance premiums. ACA, EHR, etc just pushed them over the edge. Normally Im one of those "meh, survive or die in the marketplace" type of guys but these were good doctors that just simply had enough of the BS. And finding a good doc that you trust, etc. isn't an easy thing to find. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:22:46 AM EDT
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That's what I see happening, too--until the .gov "fixes" Obamacare by making giving or seeking medical care outside the system a felony. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground. poor people will still get shit medical care and the lower middle class will go from good health care to the same shitty stuff the poor have. upper middle class will pay extra and still get good medical care. your wife should prepare to do general practice for cash and have a referral network to cash specialists for those who can afford it and a kiosk in her office where those who can't afford good care sign up for obamacare platinum for one year to hopefully get treated before they die. That's what I see happening, too--until the .gov "fixes" Obamacare by making giving or seeking medical care outside the system a felony. Is there a higher demand for medical care or drugs in the US? I don't do drugs, but I am highly interested in seeing a doctor. We are all felons anyway at this point. just a question of whether or not the government decides to prosecute you. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:25:19 AM EDT
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So did mine. He'll be hard to replace. He had two handguns in his office I was aware of, and a "Got Sig?" sticker on his office door. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:33:43 AM EDT
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I agree with everything Sylvan said.
We will switch to concierge medicine/ cash only. Or, I am going to create a hospital/resort in the Bahamas and promote medical tourism. "Pay cash, Get your care from some of the best doctors in the world, recovery in our lush tropical setting." Who is John Galt? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:35:18 AM EDT
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In another post I mentioned how out of 8 doctor in my immediate area, 7 have retired. My doctor only has MWF hours and works the other two days in an urgent care facility.
If he didn't have four kids, I bet he'd retire too. It's a shame that the rats who started this mess will always have a doctor. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:40:04 AM EDT
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Security better be geared up because there are going to be a lot of desperate people out there.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:43:29 AM EDT
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In another post I mentioned how out of 8 doctor in my immediate area, 7 have retired. My doctor only has MWF hours and works the other two days in an urgent care facility. If he didn't have four kids, I bet he'd retire too. It's a shame that the rats who started this mess will always have a doctor. That's the answer... Be a congressional MD. 
Winning! p |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:45:18 AM EDT
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Security better be geared up because there are going to be a lot of desperate people out there. who gives a fuck? as long as they keep voting democrat. look, medical schools will now simply take anyone who can't get into a teaching college, crank em out, training hospitals will becoming primary care and when McDonalds pays better than medicine, we will just import them from the third world like they do in Europe. we gotta kill the old folk anyway to save social security and the planet. People are a parasite killing mother earth as it is. there is a lot of forward thinking behind obamacare. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:45:57 AM EDT
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Is there a higher demand for medical care or drugs in the US? I don't do drugs, but I am highly interested in seeing a doctor. We are all felons anyway at this point. just a question of whether or not the government decides to prosecute you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground. poor people will still get shit medical care and the lower middle class will go from good health care to the same shitty stuff the poor have. upper middle class will pay extra and still get good medical care. your wife should prepare to do general practice for cash and have a referral network to cash specialists for those who can afford it and a kiosk in her office where those who can't afford good care sign up for obamacare platinum for one year to hopefully get treated before they die. That's what I see happening, too--until the .gov "fixes" Obamacare by making giving or seeking medical care outside the system a felony. Is there a higher demand for medical care or drugs in the US? I don't do drugs, but I am highly interested in seeing a doctor. We are all felons anyway at this point. just a question of whether or not the government decides to prosecute you. True enough. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:46:45 AM EDT
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I agree with everything Sylvan said. We will switch to concierge medicine/ cash only. Or, I am going to create a hospital/resort in the Bahamas and promote medical tourism. "Pay cash, Get your care from some of the best doctors in the world, recovery in our lush tropical setting." Who is John Galt? Whats old is new again. Under Batista, Cuba had a booming medical tourism trade. Med care every bit as good as the USA at a fraction of the price. Abortion on demand was popular there for those "in trouble" and with the cash. If they wanted to, Cuba could become a world class medical destination again in less than a generation. Free market and money has a way of filling any void. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:48:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was thinking about med school, I'd switch to becoming a veterinarian instead. Dogs are eligible to sign up. They just mash their little paws on the keyboard and 'Bam!' they've got healthcare. Didn't you read the Affordable Care Act in its entirety? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:50:19 AM EDT
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Whats old is new again. Under Batista, Cuba had a booming medical tourism trade. Med care every bit as good as the USA at a fraction of the price. Abortion on demand was popular there for those "in trouble" and with the cash. If they wanted to, Cuba could become a world class medical destination again in less than a generation. Free market and money has a way of filling any void. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree with everything Sylvan said. We will switch to concierge medicine/ cash only. Or, I am going to create a hospital/resort in the Bahamas and promote medical tourism. "Pay cash, Get your care from some of the best doctors in the world, recovery in our lush tropical setting." Who is John Galt? Whats old is new again. Under Batista, Cuba had a booming medical tourism trade. Med care every bit as good as the USA at a fraction of the price. Abortion on demand was popular there for those "in trouble" and with the cash. If they wanted to, Cuba could become a world class medical destination again in less than a generation. Free market and money has a way of filling any void. It already is. Cuba has outstanding cash only medical care for foreigners. Thats where canadians go if they can't afford US doctors. Europeans, too. Of course, native cubans have no access, but fuck them. According to wiki... |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:51:44 AM EDT
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She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. She should be. Is it too late to switch majors or go into research or something else? She starts her rotations this coming July, so there's no changing things now. At least I'll have a good doctor?
She can still go into research. You need an MD with residency to do research where you deal directly with patients. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:53:18 AM EDT
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You can't even see a regular doctor at the doctors office I go to, you can only see a nurse practitioner. None of the regular doctors are ever there anymore. There personal offices are always dark and alot of their stuff is gone.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:53:28 AM EDT
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ZeroCare is not about health care. It's about taxation & control.
Anyone who registers on the websitet had better buy insurance because (s)he is on the target list for a penalty if (s)he doesn't. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:56:16 AM EDT
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ZeroCare is not about health care. It's about taxation & control. Anyone who registers on the websitet had better buy insurance because (s)he is on the target list for a penalty if (s)he doesn't. you register with fake information to find out the true costs. only an idiot would register with true information. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:57:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: she'll be broke. thats the one place where those can't pay go to be seen. and thats the one place the government will pay nothing for those who do it. shitty hours, shitty patients, and then the lawsuit when the wrong demographic has a runny nose and demands to be seen immediately and YOUR wife fails to see her in a timely manner because a white person with a severed arm walks in. i can already tell your wife is a racist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: She wants to do emergency med. It's what she's always wanted to do. She was a teacher (high school physics and biology) for a few years, so she's not sure she wants to go down that road again. she'll be broke. thats the one place where those can't pay go to be seen. and thats the one place the government will pay nothing for those who do it. shitty hours, shitty patients, and then the lawsuit when the wrong demographic has a runny nose and demands to be seen immediately and YOUR wife fails to see her in a timely manner because a white person with a severed arm walks in. i can already tell your wife is a racist. The one thing she has going for her is that she's also in the Air Force (Health Professions Scholarship Program for the win). Worse comes to worst she can stay in the .mil and retire. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:00:22 AM EDT
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Someone should take notice about all the deceased people who rose from the grave just to vote in the last election and check to see if they register for Obamacare.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:03:45 AM EDT
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My aunt an uncle are both doctors. He's an orthopedic surgeon, and she is a cardiologist. He's went off on Obamacare a few times, but overall, they haven't really mentioned it. I wouldn't really complain much if my wife and I took home more that $2mil/yr also.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:04:07 AM EDT
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SNIP Normally Im one of those "meh, survive or die in the marketplace" type of guys but these were good doctors that just simply had enough of the BS. SNIP You haven't changed. Thanks to gov't intrusion the marketplace isn't free anymore. The doctors are exercising the the only freedom they have now over their career. 
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:16:46 AM EDT
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My wife is currently in med school. Doctors are getting out of the business at an alarming rate because of Obamacare. She's very concerned about what the state of medicine will be when she finishes her residency. Indentured servitude at state-limited wages. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:21:10 AM EDT
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quite simply american doctors will work for cash and off the network insurance companies that will basically ignore the obamacare and everyone will simply not buy insurance, pay the extra tax and work underground. . I can pretty much guarantee you that this entirely rational response by the market will be utterly crushed by the government at some point, simply because it will mean a dilution of the power they've acquired. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:41:57 AM EDT
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In a few years the smart kids won't be going to med school.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:44:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a few years the smart kids won't be going to med school. True. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:47:52 AM EDT
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