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Posted: 3/21/2024 8:07:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense/2930893/guam-wont-have-missile-defenses-taiwan-war/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1234_jpeg-3165099.JPG View Quote I'm not sure what the details of the air defense are, but how can we not deploy patriot and thaad faster than that? |
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Quoted: Xi said be ready by 2027. Not in 2027. Everything between now and 27 would fit that requirement. I'm not sure what the details of the air defense are, but how can we not deploy patriot and thaad faster than that? View Quote We have both Navy and Army air defenses but there’s a couple issues, I was under the impression those issues were being already addressed, apparently not successfully |
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The fact that the politicians and brass discuss war with China as a foregone conclusion should enrage the American populace.
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Quoted: We have both Navy and Army air defenses but there's a couple issues, I was under the impression those issues were being already addressed, apparently not successfully View Quote Takes parts of patriot, Aegis and maybe Thaad along with "indirect fire defense"....meaning something like iron dome or lasers or CIWS? Places them all under a new battle management system being built by Northrop...all bespoke to Guam. For fucks sake. In 20 years it'll be amazing, in New Mexico, because Guam will be a lagoon. |
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Quoted: Xi said be ready by 2027. Not in 2027. Everything between now and 27 would fit that requirement. I'm not sure what the details of the air defense are, but how can we not deploy patriot and thaad faster than that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Xi said be ready by 2027. Not in 2027. Everything between now and 27 would fit that requirement. I'm not sure what the details of the air defense are, but how can we not deploy patriot and thaad faster than that? Probably numbers and existing commitments. As I understand it Patriot is one of the most heavily committed assets in the Army in terms of units deployed at any given time vs. units available. Building them fast in the short term is not feasible because we have not funded the program at a level that supports industry building that capacity. Even if we had the hardware, manning the batteries is going to be a problem with the present recruiting situation. |
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I think this is more budget posturing then anything. The solution has changed a bit too.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/10/missile-defense-agency-provides-new-details-on-defense-of-guam/ https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47643 THAAD and patriot is already there. https://www.dvidshub.net/news/466723/thaad-battery-guam-successfully-completes-table-viii-evaluatio https://www.defensenews.com/smr/defending-the-pacific/2023/03/17/first-wave-of-tech-to-defend-guam-from-newer-threats-due-in-2024/ Not sure what the timing is for getting more batteries and LTAMDS in though. |
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Quoted: Why can't we be ready sooner? Rainbow flags on backorder? View Quote https://www.defensenews.com/outlook/2023/12/04/us-faces-hurdles-next-year-for-guams-missile-defense-experts-warn/ Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Probably numbers and existing commitments. As I understand it Patriot is one of the most heavily committed assets in the Army in terms of units deployed at any given time vs. units available. Building them fast in the short term is not feasible because we have not funded the program at a level that supports industry building that capacity. Even if we had the hardware, manning the batteries is going to be a problem with the present recruiting situation. View Quote The thing that gets me is prioritization. In a big hot war most of the bullshit DoD loves goes away. We eventually focus on fighting the war. Most Joe's would rather serve in a mil that is on war footing because of that reason. Yet when we have the chance to prevent a war by being aggressive enough early enough, the bullshit sucks up the resources we need to pull it off. It's very strange. |
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Found the problem.
Attached File Clearly the more inclusive radar will take way longer to be fabulous. |
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Quoted: That is certainly the trend. The thing that gets me is prioritization. In a big hot war most of the bullshit DoD loves goes away. We eventually focus on fighting the war. Most Joe's would rather serve in a mil that is on war footing because of that reason. Yet when we have the chance to prevent a war by being aggressive enough early enough, the bullshit sucks up the resources we need to pull it off. It's very strange. View Quote Apparently we’re giving up on even 1.4 per year https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Biden-angers-Congress-after-submitting-defense-budget-cutting-Navy-submarines/5-2712675/? |
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Quoted: The fact that the politicians and brass discuss war with China as a foregone conclusion should enrage the American populace. View Quote That's not going to be by our choice, we can not allow the chicoms to successfully invade Taiwan. Every aspect of modern civilization relies on microchips. We can't allow the chicoms to control the bulk of the world's production. Up to, and including nuclear war if necessary. |
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Quoted: That's not going to be by our choice, we can not allow the chicoms to successfully invade Taiwan. Every aspect of modern civilization relies on microchips. We can't allow the chicoms to control the bulk of the world's production. Up to, and including nuclear war if necessary. View Quote Well, I'm sure Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc can build and staff chip plants outside of East China a lot faster and alot cheaper than DOD can do air defense. |
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Don't worry. I've been personally assured we will never need anything we gave away in Ukraine in a conflict against China.
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There is no way that this is a problem.
I've been told that Russia is THE threat and we need to give them everything they need. |
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Quoted: Well, I'm sure Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc can build and staff chip plants outside of East China a lot faster and alot cheaper than DOD can do air defense. View Quote Doubt it, intel announced a billion $ new chip factory in Ohio like 3 years ago, they just now started moving equipment. It will probably not be producing for another 3 or 4 years. |
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They should just capsize and scuttle Guam if China tries to invade.
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Quoted: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense/2930893/guam-wont-have-missile-defenses-taiwan-war/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1234_jpeg-3165099.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: The fact that the arms industries havent been ramped up to a war time footing starting in Feb 2022 is simply idiotic. View Quote Biden +3% 2024 DOD budget is now down to 0% and 2025 was supposed to be +1% neither the 2024 or 2025 would cover inflation but now due to continual CRs the budget for not all but many of the programs is falling into the negative, if Congress even comes to a vote to pass tomorrow, which it may not. Defense companies probably see the tea leaves as not warranting doing more than minimums until the wind changes which for the purposes of this article means a day late and a dollar short. These platforms and systems - F35s, aircraft carrier, nuke subs, air defense are pricey and complicated with lots of delays even know Biden White House is rolling submarine building down to 1 and giving up on bothering to stick to 2 at a time the Navy’s attack subs are dropping down to 48 instead of the 62 requirement so the Aussies are having a panic attack |
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Want to know a little secret to winning a war with China, tell your wife to quit shopping at Costco, Walmart and Target.
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Quoted: I think this is more budget posturing then anything. The solution has changed a bit too. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/10/missile-defense-agency-provides-new-details-on-defense-of-guam/ https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47643 THAAD and patriot is already there. https://www.dvidshub.net/news/466723/thaad-battery-guam-successfully-completes-table-viii-evaluatio https://www.defensenews.com/smr/defending-the-pacific/2023/03/17/first-wave-of-tech-to-defend-guam-from-newer-threats-due-in-2024/ Not sure what the timing is for getting more batteries and LTAMDS in though. View Quote I’m sure Guam would be utterly saturated with missiles. That is a problem with our logistics in trying to exert strength across the word. |
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Quoted: Doubt it, intel announced a billion $ new chip factory in Ohio like 3 years ago, they just now started moving equipment. It will probably not be producing for another 3 or 4 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Well, I'm sure Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc can build and staff chip plants outside of East China a lot faster and alot cheaper than DOD can do air defense. Doubt it, intel announced a billion $ new chip factory in Ohio like 3 years ago, they just now started moving equipment. It will probably not be producing for another 3 or 4 years. And you think DOD can beat that schedule? |
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I am guessing it will take so long to "be ready" because of DEI and other social justice bullshit training is a higher priority?
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, I'm sure Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc can build and staff chip plants outside of East China a lot faster and alot cheaper than DOD can do air defense. Read the latest articles on that Articles on chip plants or articles on DOD procurement? |
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Quoted: The fact that the politicians and brass discuss war with China as a foregone conclusion should enrage the American populace. View Quote I think we need to be realistic and acknowledge the fact that both Russia and China consider us to be their primary adversary and consider themselves already in a Hybrid war with us. |
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They must have watched this video.
Could THAAD & Patriot Defend Guam From 200 Chinese DF-26 Ballistic Missiles? (WarGames 205) | DCS DCS milsim - Today we simulate seven US THAAD missile batteries and seven Patriot Pac-3 missile batteries defending Guam island from a huge strike from China involving 200 DF-26 hypersonic ballistic missiles. |
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Quoted: Don't worry. I've been personally assured we will never need anything we gave away in Ukraine in a conflict against China. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: Found the problem. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67413/IMG_1344_jpeg-3165113.JPG Clearly the more inclusive radar will take way longer to be fabulous. View Quote That's not what "discrimination" means in a missile defense context. Most newer systems employ countermeasures, so your sensor / detection systems need to be able to discriminate between the decoys and the lethal object. |
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Quoted: Losing is all part of the plan. View Quote I suspect this is true. Every move Biden has made since being installed in the Whitehouse has been to weaken America. I think he is positioning us to be engaged in a couple wars simultaneously, and get our asses handed to us. I would bet the Pentagon is 100% behind the plan, as is the CIA and FBI. Not one American general officer resigned in protest after the cluster fuck that was the afghan withdrawal. That tells me everything I need to know. |
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Are they backlogged on DEI instructors and LGBT CBTs or something?
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Quoted: Articles on chip plants or articles on DOD procurement? View Quote There was an overlap but also now a new Biden announcement so I gotta read that too. Basically just type intel in a search engine for news and check a week ago into this morning - bunch of em now that I haven’t finished as I had to finish my Ghostbusters ticket buy and post office during lunch |
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Quoted: That's not what "discrimination" means in a missile defense context. Most newer systems employ countermeasures, so your sensor / detection systems need to be able to discriminate between the decoys and the lethal object. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Found the problem. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67413/IMG_1344_jpeg-3165113.JPG Clearly the more inclusive radar will take way longer to be fabulous. That's not what "discrimination" means in a missile defense context. Most newer systems employ countermeasures, so your sensor / detection systems need to be able to discriminate between the decoys and the lethal object. |
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Quoted: Barring societal collapse in China, it's been one for over 25 years. A significant portion of our populace has just chosen to ignore that. View Quote Gordon Chang has been predicting China's demise since 2001. Attached File Do our ballistic missile submarines still work? Turn China into glass. |
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These are the same idiots that couldn't forecast:
- Saddam's invasion of Kuwait - 9/11 attack on NYC - Russia's invasion of Ukraine - Hamas attack on Israel... Now they want us to be scared because may be prepared to attack, three years from now? |
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