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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:54:14 PM EDT
Black Lives Matter joined calls for the former Marine who put a schizophrenic homeless man in a chokehold on the subway to be held 'accountable' today as Democrats demanded he be charged with murder.
Jordan Neely, 30, used to be known as a fun-loving Michael Jackson impersonator who performed on New York City trains to commuters. In recent years, his family say he had suffered severe mental health problems and had 'lost it' after the 2007 murder of his mother. On Monday, Neely - who has 40 prior arrests from 2013 and 2021 including an assault on a 67-year-old woman - was traveling on the F train at around 2.27pm when he began yelling and throwing garbage, according to other passengers. On Monday night, Jordan Neely (center) was placed in a chokehold on the subway by an unnamed former Marine (right). He was also restrained by other passengers. Neely later died, and his death has been ruled a homicide  Summer is coming ! |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:58:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Not saying it was or wasn't properly applied, but.....
That choke doesn't kill you, especially if, once your opponent goes unresponsive, you release. I've seen the black closing in, but always had the luxury to tap. Some attention may be needed after blackout. If it were deadly MMA would have a severely dwindling fighting force. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:59:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Crazy people seem fragile?
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:00:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Any mention of the people he's tried to push into trains?
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:00:50 PM EDT
[#4]
But of course.
St. George Floyd showed the way. It will be repeated whenever possible. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:02:57 PM EDT
[#5]
Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one.
Maybe AOC is a member here. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:03:21 PM EDT
[#6]
Would be a shame to see cities burn
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:04:22 PM EDT
[#7]
So the guy was 30. His mother was murdered in 2007. That's 16 years ago. So he was 14. How did he "lose it in recent years" due to his mother's murder? At what point was he a fun-loving Michael Jackson impersonator, if he "lost it" in 2007?
It's all a lie, a big lie. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:05:35 PM EDT
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Why in the fuck get involved at all? Just exit the situation..that's a bad pic..and it will in 24 hr rotation on CNN/MSNBC
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:07:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Well that's no surprise.
What is surprising is that in this political climate, in enemy territory, post Floyd, rhe marine thought it was a good idea to use a choke-hold on a black man. Like, just because you can, and because it might even be considered sane and reasonable among rational people, doesn't mean you should do it in enemy crime-loving New York. Cudos for his courage, seriously, it's great he intervened, but damn, he probably should have just punched the dude, or physically restrained him with the help of other passsengers. Idk, I'm just a couch quarterback. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why in the fuck get involved at all? Just exit the situation..that's a bad pic..and it will in 24 hr rotation on CNN/MSNBC Some people are hard wired to not just sit back and watch. Some find working at the department of motor vehicles acceptable. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:13:10 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:19:42 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:22:04 PM EDT
[#13]
I also demand that they hold him accountable.
Medal of Freedom, Mayor's Commendation, etc. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not saying it was or wasn't properly applied, but..... That choke doesn't kill you, especially if, once your opponent goes unresponsive, you release. I've seen the black closing in, but always had the luxury to tap. Some attention may be needed after blackout. If it were deadly MMA would have a severely dwindling fighting force. Pretty sure I saw he was in the hold for 15 minutes. And that he wasn't doing anything besides yelling and making a scene. Not sure if he was awake the entire time, but if he was being held after he blacked out, I can see where there might be a problem. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:24:12 PM EDT
[#16]
The guy was a public menace for at least the past 10 years but now it's an issue that he was dealt with. The left really does like to idolize the worst in society.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:24:24 PM EDT
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Deaded dude is half my age and has been arrested some 40 times.... and I have never seen the back of a police car. AFAIC... fuck that guy.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:24:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:24:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that's no surprise. What is surprising is that in this political climate, in enemy territory, post Floyd, rhe marine thought it was a good idea to use a choke-hold on a black man. Like, just because you can, and because it might even be considered sane and reasonable among rational people, doesn't mean you should do it in enemy crime-loving New York. Cudos for his courage, seriously, it's great he intervened, but damn, he probably should have just punched the dude, or physically restrained him with the help of other passsengers. Idk, I'm just a couch quarterback. Punch is deadly force too, maybe |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:25:54 PM EDT
[#20]
That poor guy is fucked.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:26:55 PM EDT
[#21]
Neely later died, and his death has been ruled a homicide Yet, there is no toxicology report released as part of the medical examiner determination. What happens if/when they find out he had a lethal dose of fentanyl or something else in his system? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:28:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? You’re putting words into my mouth. 2 things can be true at the same time. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure I saw he was in the hold for 15 minutes. Not sure if he was awake the entire time, but if he was being held after he blacked out, I can see where there might be a problem. Then, yes, sustained loss or hindrance of blood to the brain can be deadly. It's like CCW use. When you use it, expect a legal fight. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:28:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Engage purse swinging
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:29:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be a shame to see cities burn Mo money, Mo Equity |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:29:56 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re putting words into my mouth. 2 things can be true at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? You’re putting words into my mouth. 2 things can be true at the same time. Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:30:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? In this case, yes. If you are rendered unconscious, can you defend yourself from further assault that may result in your death? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:31:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. Anybody trying any type of choke is likely to get shot. Pretty simple use of force decision there. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:32:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this case, yes. If you are rendered unconscious, can you defend yourself from further assault that may result in your death? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? In this case, yes. If you are rendered unconscious, can you defend yourself from further assault that may result in your death? So you agree that the Marine murdered the guy. Cool. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:32:30 PM EDT
[#30]
I wonder what they’ll burn down and destroy this time??
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:33:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? You’re putting words into my mouth. 2 things can be true at the same time. Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. I just did. You seem awfully emotional. Perhaps you should bow out of the thread gracefully before you make a bigger fool out yourself. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:34:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. Some guy you've never met in your life puts you in a rear naked choke, you wouldn't use any force at your disposal to get out of it? Just accept it and say oh dang, he got me...but he will let go before I die because this isn't deadly force. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:34:34 PM EDT
[#33]
If you're gonna put your hands on someone today, make sure they're lighter skinned than you or else. MSGT milktoast here doesn't have a lot of leeway
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:35:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did. You seem awfully emotional. Perhaps you should bow out of the thread gracefully before you make a bigger fool out yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? You’re putting words into my mouth. 2 things can be true at the same time. Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. I just did. You seem awfully emotional. Perhaps you should bow out of the thread gracefully before you make a bigger fool out yourself. Then maybe you can point it out for the rest of the class, champ. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:35:48 PM EDT
[#35]
Dead guy was a POS and deserved it.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:36:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some guy you've never met in your life puts you in a rear naked choke, you wouldn't use any force at your disposal to get out of it? Just accept it and say oh dang, he got me...but he will let go before I die because this isn't deadly force. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then why don’t you explain why deadly force was justified here. Some guy you've never met in your life puts you in a rear naked choke, you wouldn't use any force at your disposal to get out of it? Just accept it and say oh dang, he got me...but he will let go before I die because this isn't deadly force. So the marine killed the guy? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:36:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. A vet/bar owner who was protecting his old father in one of the 2020 protests shot and killed the guy who had him in RNC. He was legally persecuted and ended up a suicide. RNC is fatal if the p[erson using it wants it to be. The vet/bar owner did a good shoot. I think this Marine fucked up but don't want to see him face felony criminal charges or punitive lawsuits. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:37:10 PM EDT
[#38]
They just want to lynch a white man.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:37:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? I damn sure would. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:37:52 PM EDT
[#40]
I was talking with a friend about episodes involving these street crazies. A local nut slapped a woman for no reason. The guy who hit the NYPD officer with a bottle. The guy who smeared shit in the woman's face in NYC. I commented that those people should be put to death. My friend protested that they are mentally ill and not responsible. I said "I know they're mentally ill. They should be killed as a matter of prophylaxis, not punishment."
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:37:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody trying any type of choke is likely to get shot. Pretty simple use of force decision there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. Anybody trying any type of choke is likely to get shot. Pretty simple use of force decision there. Ayup. I'm either shooting or stabbing if I'm in a hold I can't escape, depending on what I can reach first. Don't put hands on my neck and there won't be an issue. I also don't do any of the shit the dead guy did that makes one earn getting in that kind of position. I feel for the Marine involved here, because I think he's fucked .
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:38:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why in the fuck get involved at all? Just exit the situation..that's a bad pic..and it will in 24 hr rotation on CNN/MSNBC But that's also a problem. You end up with rapes and assaults and bystanders doing nothing. That's why I don't want to see bad things happen to the Marine, even though I think he fucked up and killed the guy. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:39:25 PM EDT
[#43]
All three, BLM, NAACP, Crazy Cortez are domestic terrorists.
Fuck them and their bullshit, if they even cared a little bit they would be interested in mental health care, and arresting and jailing criminals, getting the nut cases off the streets not going after a person for defending themselves. More and more people are taking care of what the police and DAs won't. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:39:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? I'm sure they're choking me out with good intentions. WTF? Yes, someone coming to choke me out is abolutely an imminent threat. What a weird comment. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:39:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Tired Meme Clown (@OldMemeClown) May 4, 2023 |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:40:00 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? Yes, since it can be used to kill. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:40:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Looks like a black guy was an accessory. Let’s see if he faces charges too.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:40:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? The standard for use of force is a reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm. Any reasonable person would believe that the choke falls within that standard. So you’re in agreement with “reasonable people” like BLM and AOC that this Marine is a murderer? Are you really that dense? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:40:45 PM EDT
[#49]
Burn the city down, IDGAF. The rest of the country will be better off for it.
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Posted: 5/4/2023 1:40:48 PM EDT
[#50]
I haven't looked but apparently there are people on Reddit who claim to have been threatened and harassed by this guy.
His family said he had a place to stay but wouldn't stay there. That's usually someone who is dual diagnosis and wants to stay on the street to obtain and use drugs. He has a horrible history where his mother was murdered and he testified at the trial. |
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