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Posted: 2/4/2023 10:37:52 PM EDT
Video illustration in tweet. Air control infrastructure is going to shit. |
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Hilarious jet-wash clip from Pushing Tin |
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“Aaaand, Austin tower, FedEx 1432. Possible ATC deviation. Advise when ready to copy a number, and we’ll be waiting for you at the bottom of the tower stairs to sort this out on the tarmac. Bring a second.”
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Weren’t they pushing for diversity hires a few years back?
Eta: More diversity in air traffic control. |
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Quoted: Weren’t they pushing for diversity hires a few years back? Eta: More diversity in air traffic control. View Quote And things like this are what happens when you aren't taking the best people for the job. This may have no bearing on this situation, but things like this are going to happen. Could be ATC, could be pilots, could be your surgeon, teacher, etc etc etc. This is how you rot a country from within. |
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Quoted: And things like this are what happens when you aren't taking the best people for the job. This may have no bearing on this situation, but things like this are going to happen. Could be ATC, could be pilots, could be your surgeon, teacher, etc etc etc. This is how you rot a country from within. View Quote True. No idea if this was a factor in this case but wanted to point out a potential possibility. Seems like this is becoming more common. |
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Quoted: Weren't they pushing for diversity hires a few years back? Eta: More diversity in air traffic control. View Quote |
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Holy shit! 70’ish feet overhead!
That was as close as it comes… |
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Quoted: I would like to hear that atc recording. View Quote
@Goodn Audio in tweet |
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I'd like to see some video of the pilots in the airliner as that cargo jet passed over them.
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ATC diversity hires? This country needs to go back to hiring based on qualifications and stop worrying about the racial composition of their workforce.
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KAUS 041247Z 00000KT 1/8SM R36R/1800V2400FT FZFG VV002 M01/M01 A3043 RMK AO2
Certainly a contributing factor |
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Wtf? This is like the third atc near disaster in like a month, what is going on
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Was it LGA or SFO that I read about here, where somebody got disoriented at night and tried to land on an taxiway with three or four airliners doing the walk to the active takeoff runway?
IIRC, the TOGO worked, and the descending a/c missed the rear a/c's vertical stab by like 50-100'. One of those, "Gulp!" kind of things. Maybe it was overseas? |
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Quoted: Holy shit! 70’ish feet overhead! That was as close as it comes… View Quote The aborting Fed EX aircraft was at 74 feet over the top of the SW plane before climbing. The SW plane was showing at 5 feet directly under the fed ex plane. Tail height on a 737 is 41 feet 2 inches! So they were reporting a 69 foot altitude difference, Minus the 41foot 2 inch tail on that altitude reporting, That makes it a close call! Around 27 feet separation. That about as close as you can come to dying in that situation. They felt that. Imagine the wake turbulence of a large jet flying past you at the separation they had, I would imagine the hard climb the fed ex plane did mitigated that a bit. |
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Quoted: Was it LGA or SFO that I read about here, where somebody got disoriented at night and tried to land on an taxiway with three or four airliners doing the walk to the active takeoff runway? IIRC, the TOGO worked, and the descending a/c missed the rear a/c's vertical stab by like 50-100'. One of those, "Gulp!" kind of things. Maybe it was overseas? View Quote Air Canada at SFO |
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@Goodn Audio in tweet Fuuuuu. Sounds like SWA was slow on the go and ATC was a bit optimistic AND slow to realize the issue. If that METAR is correct I am not sure why they were stacking so close. Not unusual for ATC to ask for an expedite if they are busy, but damn. |
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@Goodn Audio in tweet View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I would like to hear that atc recording.
@Goodn Audio in tweet Holey shit! I know they are listing the call at 10:23 as from the tower. Was it from the tower or was it the fed ex crew calling the SW aircraft to abort and calling "fed ex on the go"?? That controller took long enough to realize shit isnt going to work there. |
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Quoted: KAUS 041247Z 00000KT 1/8SM R36R/1800V2400FT FZFG VV002 M01/M01 A3043 RMK AO2 Certainly a contributing factor View Quote Certainly. Except you’re reporting the weather at 1247Z which was 0647L. Unless I’m missing something about when this occurred - I’m under the impression it was this evening? |
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like poster above says. Looks like Southwest didnt get going when given the go ahead and were warned that 767 was 3 miles out.
Scary. Wait, did the southwest flight continue to take off? |
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@Goodn Audio in tweet View Quote Why didn't the landing aircraft (FedEx) mention the SW plane cleared to take-off on the runway ahead of it. |
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Quoted: like poster above says. Looks like Southwest didnt get going when given the go ahead and were warned that 767 was 3 miles out. Scary. View Quote I’m sure this will help: Attached File |
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Quoted: Certainly. Except you're reporting the weather at 1247Z which was 0647L. Unless I'm missing something about when this occurred - I'm under the impression it was this evening? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: KAUS 041247Z 00000KT 1/8SM R36R/1800V2400FT FZFG VV002 M01/M01 A3043 RMK AO2 Certainly a contributing factor Certainly. Except you're reporting the weather at 1247Z which was 0647L. Unless I'm missing something about when this occurred - I'm under the impression it was this evening? |
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Quoted: Fuuuuu. Sounds like SWA was slow on the go and ATC was a bit optimistic AND slow to realize the issue. If that METAR is correct I am not sure why they were stacking so close. Not unusual for ATC to ask for an expedite if they are busy, but damn. View Quote |
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im not sure two boeings in motion can get closer and not have at least one of them end up a flaming ball of scrap...
and I wonder what its like to for a loaded 767 to firewall the throttles and go viking...or as close as it can. |
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Quoted: Incident took place at 1240Z according to Flightradar24 video. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: KAUS 041247Z 00000KT 1/8SM R36R/1800V2400FT FZFG VV002 M01/M01 A3043 RMK AO2 Certainly a contributing factor Certainly. Except you're reporting the weather at 1247Z which was 0647L. Unless I'm missing something about when this occurred - I'm under the impression it was this evening? I stand corrected - you’re right. The Flightradar24 time stamps show this morning. |
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Quoted: Why didn't the landing aircraft (FedEx) mention the SW plane cleared to take-off on the runway ahead of it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:
@Goodn Audio in tweet Why didn't the landing aircraft (FedEx) mention the SW plane cleared to take-off on the runway ahead of it. Pretty sure the comment from the fed ex crew at 9:20 was a polite way to say WTF!? The controller was too asleep to recognize the bad situation that was shaping up. The controller also never called for an expedited take off when he cleared the SW aircraft. That said.. He told the SW crew that there was a 767 on 3 mile. So... |
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I wonder if the SW crew shit themselves, after the FedEx plane damn near melted the windshield.
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