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Posted: 4/4/2022 7:28:04 AM EDT
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Big thanks to DaGoose for consolidating The Files so far:
Originally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By DaGoose: Posting all the links again. THE TWITTER FILES - PART ONE TWITTER AND THE HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP STORY
Recounting the internal drama at Twitter surrounding the decision to block access to a New York Post exposé on Hunter Biden in October, 2020. Key revelations: Twitter blocked the story on the basis of its “hacked materials” policy, but executives internally knew the decision was problematic. “Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?” is how comms official Brandon Borrman put it. Also: when a Twitter contractor polls members of Congress about the decision, they hear Democratic members want more moderation, not less, and “the First Amendment isn’t absolute.” THE TWITTER FILES - PART ONE SUPPLEMENTAL THE “EXITING” OF TWITTER DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL JIM BAKER
A second round of Twitter Files releases was delayed, as new addition Bari Weiss discovers former FBI General Counsel and Twitter Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker was reviewing the first batches of Twitter Files documents, whose delivery to reporters had slowed. THE TWITTER FILES - PART TWO TWITTER’S SECRET BLACKLISTS.
Bari Weiss gives a long-awaited answer to the question, “Was Twitter shadow-banning people?” It did, only the company calls it “visibility filtering.” Twitter also had a separate, higher council called SIP-PES that decided cases for high-visibility, controversial accounts. Key revelations: Twitter had a huge toolbox for controlling the visibility of any user, including a “Search Blacklist” (for Dan Bongino), a “Trends Blacklist” for Stanford’s Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and a “Do Not Amplify” setting for conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Weiss quotes a Twitter employee: “Think about visibility filtering as being a way for us to suppress what people see to different levels. It’s a very powerful tool.” With help from @abigailshrier, @shellenbergermd, @nelliebowles, and @isaacgrafstein. THE TWITTER FILES - PART THREE THE REMOVAL OF DONALD TRUMP - October 2020 - January 6th
First in a three-part series looking at how Twitter came to the decision to suspend Donald Trump. The idea behind the series is to show how all of Twitter’s “visibility filtering” tools were on display and deployed after January 6th, 2021. Key Revelations: Trust and Safety chief Yoel Roth not only met regularly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, but with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). Also, Twitter was aggressively applying “visibility filtering” tools to Trump well before the election. THE TWITTER FILES - PART FOUR THE REMOVAL OF DONALD TRUMP - January 7
This thread by Michael Shellenberger looks at the key day after the J6 riots and before Trump would ultimately be banned from Twitter on January 8th, showing how Twitter internally reconfigured its rules to make a Trump ban fit their policies. Key revelations: at least one Twitter employee worried about a “slippery slope” in which “an online platform CEO with a global presence… can gatekeep speech for the entire world,” only to be shot down. Also, chief censor Roth argues for a ban on congressman Matt Gaetz even though it “doesn’t quite fit anywhere (duh),” and Twitter changed its “public interest policy” to clear a path for Trump’s removal. THE TWITTER FILES - PART FIVE THE REMOVAL OF TRUMP FROM TWITTER.
As angry as many inside Twitter were with Donald Trump after the January 6th Capitol riots, staffers struggled to suspend his account, saying things like, “I think we’d have a hard time saying this is incitement.” As documented by Weiss, they found a way to pull the trigger anyway. Key revelations: there were dissenters in the company (“Maybe because I am from China,” said one employee, “I deeply understand how censorship can destroy the public conversation”), but are overruled by senior executives like Vijaya Gadde and Roth, who noted many on Twitter’s staff were citing the “Banality of Evil,” and comparing those who favored sticking to a strict legalistic interpretation of Twitter’s rules — i.e. keep Trump, who had “no violation” — to “Nazis following orders.” THE TWITTER FILES - PART SIX THE FBI SUBSIDIARY
Twitter’s contact with the FBI was “constant and pervasive,” as FBI personnel, mainly in the San Francisco field office, regularly sent lists of “reports” to Twitter, often about Americans with low follower counts making joke tweets. Tweeters on both the left and the right were affected. Key revelations: A senior Twitter executive reports, “FBI was adamant no impediments to sharing” classified information exist. Twitter also agreed to “bounce” content on the recommendations of a wide array of governmental and quasi-governmental actors, from the FBI to the Homeland Security agency CISA to Stanford’s Election Integrity Project to state governments. The company one day received so many moderation requests from the FBI, an executive congratulated staffers at the end for completing the “monumental undertaking.” THE TWITTER FILES - PART SEVEN THE FBI AND TTHE HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP
The Twitter Files story increases its focus on the company’s relationship to federal law enforcement and intelligence, and shows intense communication between the FBI and Twitter just before the release of the Post’s Hunter Biden story. Key Revelations: San Francisco agent Elvis Chan “sends 10 documents to Twitter’s then-Head of Site Integrity, Yoel Roth, through Teleporter, a one-way communications channel from the FBI to Twitter,” the evening before the release of the Post story. Also, Baker in an email explains Twitter was compensated for “processing requests” by the FBI, saying “I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!” THE TWITTER FILES - PART EIGHT TWITTER AND PENTAGON'S COVERT ONLINE PSYOP CAMPAIGN
RELATED ARTICLE https://theintercept.com/2022/12/20/twitter-dod-us-military-accounts Lee Fang takes a fascinating detour, looking at how Twitter for years approved and supported Pentagon-backed covert operations. Noting the company explicitly testified to Congress that it didn’t allow such behavior, the platform nonetheless was a clear partner in state-backed programs involving fake accounts. Key revelations: after the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) sent over a list of 52 Arab-language accounts “we use to amplify certain messages,” Twitter agreed to “whitelist” them. Ultimately the program would be outed in the Washington Post in 2022 — two years after Twitter and other platforms stopped assisting — but contrary to what came out in those reports, Twitter knew about and/or assisted in these programs for at least three years, from 2017-2020. THE TWITTER FILES TWITTER AND "OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES"
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/twitter-files-thread-the-spies-who The Christmas Eve thread (I should have waited a few days to publish!) further details how the channels of communication between the federal government and Twitter operated, and reveals that Twitter directly or indirectly received lists of flagged content from “Other Government Agencies,” i.e. the CIA. Key revelations: CIA officials attended at least one conference with Twitter in the summer of 2020, and companies like Twitter and Facebook received “OGA briefings,” at their regular “industry” meetings held in conjunction with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The FBI and the “Foreign Influence Task Force” met regularly “not just with Twitter, but with Yahoo!, Twitch, Cloudfare, LinkedIn, even Wikimedia.” THE TWITTER FILES: HOW TWITTER RIGGED THE COVID DEBATE
David Zweig drills down into how Twitter throttled down information about COVID that was true but perhaps inconvenient for public officials, “discrediting doctors and other experts who disagreed.” Key Revelations: Zweig found memos from Twitter personnel who’d liaised with Biden administration officials who were “very angry” that Twitter had not deplatformed more accounts. White House officials for instance wanted attention on reporter Alex Berenson. Zweig also found “countless” instances of Twitter banning or labeling “misleading” accounts that were true or merely controversial. A Rhode Island physician named Andrew Bostom, for instance, was suspended for, among other things, referring to the results of a peer-reviewed study on mRNA vaccines. THE TWITTER FILES: HOW TWITTER LET THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IN
THE TWITTER FILES: TWITTER AND THE FBI “BELLY BUTTON”
These two threads focus respectively on the second half of 2017, and a period stretching roughly from summer of 2020 through the present. The first describes how Twitter fell under pressure from Congress and the media to produce “material” showing a conspiracy of Russian accounts on their platform, and the second shows how Twitter tried to resist fulfilling moderation requests for the State Department, but ultimately agreed to let State and other agencies send requests through the FBI, which agent Chan calls “the belly button of the USG.” Revelations: at the close of 2017, Twitter makes a key internal decision. Outwardly, the company would claim independence and promise that content would only be removed at “our sole discretion.” The internal guidance says, in writing, that Twitter will remove accounts “identified by the U.S. intelligence community” as “identified by the U.S.. intelligence community as a state-sponsored entity conducting cyber-operations.” The second thread shows how Twitter took in requests from everyone — Treasury, HHS, NSA, FBI, DHS, etc. — and also received personal requests from politicians like Democratic congressman Adam Schiff, who asked to have journalist Paul Sperry suspended. THE TWITTER FILES #14 - THE RUSSIAGATE LIES
THE TWITTER FILES #15 - MOVE OVER, JAYSON BLAIR: TWITTER FILES EXPOSE NEXT GREAT MEDIA FRAUD
THE TWITTER FILES #16 - COMIC INTERLUDE: A MEDIA EXPERIMENT
THE TWITTER FILES #17 - NEW KNOWLEDGE, THE GLOBAL ENGAGEMENT CENTER, AND STATE-SPONSORED BLACKLISTS
THE TWITTER FILES #18 - STATEMENT TO CONGRESS THE CENSORSHIP-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
THE TWITTER FILES #19 - THE GREAT COVID-19 LIE MACHINE STANFORD, THE VIRALITY PROJECT, AND THE CENSORSHIP OF “TRUE STORIES”
THE TWITTER FILES - SUPPLEMENTAL
TWITTER FILES: SUPPLEMENTAL MORE ADAM SCHIFF BAN REQUESTS, AND "DEAMPLIFICATION"
TWITTER FILES: HOW THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY LOBBIED SOCIAL MEDIA TO SHAPE CONTENT AROUND VACCINE POLICY
RELATED: DAVE RUBIN ON SHADOWBANNING
RUBY FILES: AN INSIDE LOOK AT THE TYPE OF CONTENT TWITTER FLAGGED FOR REVIEW
https://rubymediagroup.com/twitter-artificial-intelligence/ UNDER WHITE HOUSE PRESSURE, FACEBOOK CENSORED ACCURATE COVID VACCINE INFORMATION
https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/under-white-house-pressure-facebook FROM THE TWITTER FILES: PFIZER BOARD MEMBER SCOTT GOTTLIEB SECRETLY PRESSED TWITTER TO HIDE POSTS CHALLENGING HIS COMPANY'S MASSIVELY PROFITABLE COVID JABS
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/from-the-twitter-files-pfizer-board HOW THE FBI HACKED TWITTER https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-the-fbi-hacked-twitter-lee-smith MISSOURI AG TALKING ABOUT COLLUSION BETWEEN BIDEN WH AND SOCIAL MEDIA
DHS backed censorship program
US Political Misinfo Twitter Detection AI List
Former Twitter employee shares exclusive details with me on AI, Access to DMs, and more.
Whistleblower Report https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22186683/twitter-whistleblower-disclosure.pdf CDC Thread on secret Twitter partner portal
Feds at Facebook
Feds at Google
GLOSSARY OF “TWITTER FILES” TERMS Click To View Spoiler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now he wants to buy it! "Since making my investment I now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative in its current form. Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company," Musk said in a letter to Twitter Chairman Bret Taylor. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-offers-buy-twitter-101906337.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re-filed: Elon Musk refiled the disclosure of his stake in Twitter Inc. to classify himself as an active investor, making the change after taking a seat on the social media company’s board. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-refiles-twitter-disclosure-show-221958940.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tesla CEO Elon Musk is putting his enormous sums of money where his tweets are at. It was disclosed on Monday that the somewhat unpredictable Musk took a 9.2% stake in Twitter. The stake — valued at close to $3 billion as of Twitter's closing price on Friday — is defined as a passive one. While Musk's stake in Twitter is passive, it could turn on a dime, said Tesla bull and Elon watcher Dan Ives of Wedbush. "We would expect this passive stake as just the start of broader conversations with the Twitter board/management that could ultimately lead to an active stake and a potential more aggressive ownership role of Twitter," Ives said. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-just-took-a-92-stake-in-twitter-what-may-happen-next-111313363.html
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/twitter-stock-rockets-after-elon-musk-takes-stake-valued-at-more-than-3-billion-11649070782 |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 7:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crag_dt: Is she actually just reading from her notes? She zero original thoughts. Everything she says has to be written down for her. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 7:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: If elon does that, and its not just some bullshit clickbait, but it really has real information with supporting evidence in it, I'll go ahead and prepay for a twitter gold membership for the year. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 7:58:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2022 7:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: when's my account going to be unlocked? Has he given an estimate for that yet? @ludder903 You need to file an appeal, and then respond to the email they send you. Then you should be in business. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:01:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Minty68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aridcat: the left is pulling out all their tricks to try and bankrupt him. All the woke companies (which is pretty much every big company) are pulling advertising from twitter. I hope twitter can survive that but thats pretty brutal. Twitter was losing money already. If they have no advertising income idk how they can remain afloat. To be fair, they were spending tens to hundreds of millions on worthless employees, company credit cards and a bunch of other shit. Free cafeterias and the like. That's probably a big reason they were losing so much. Musk will get them on board, those companies are just posturing to get points with the woke crowd |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Twitter was a beacon of truth before musk took over, that’s the implication. Fucking clown world. Now that Twitter users are “allowed” to fact checking the damn White House official comm…oh now that’s misinformation and hate. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:09:01 PM EDT
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I just got a dozen nutty people followers. It seems they just post up conservative posters’ accounts just to follow back and forth in a huge circle jerk.
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dragoontwo: @waterglass Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dragoontwo: Originally Posted By Darcy: Party time https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213289/7C11494C-0C1F-4F0C-9471-C5F462C55D17_jpe-2617014.JPG @waterglass Be sure to @ me if he does. @dragoontwo |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:58:10 PM EDT
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Saw a meme today. Hand drawn picture of the Catturd cat with the rear leg lifted up saying "Talk to my $8 butthole".
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
That is simply terrifying. Unbelievable what this country has become. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:12:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKH: That is simply terrifying. Unbelievable what this country has become. Yes it is. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ibm_db2: Yes it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ibm_db2: Originally Posted By HKH: That is simply terrifying. Unbelievable what this country has become. Yes it is. Bezos buys Washington post? Hooray! This is great for our democracy and free press! Clap clap clap. Musk buys Twitter? This is terrible and dangerous for our democracy and free speech. He must be stopped. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: Bruh, I've been thinking about how genius the Gold/Grey/Blue checkmark system is. Giving the .gov types the official distinction of their own color scheme, takes away the "Well akshully people can pretend to be official .gov accounts and give out unofficial information" complaint. Giving the .biz types the official distinction of their own color scheme, takes away the, "Whoa someone pretended to be Pepsi and made these announcements that really fucked things up" complaint Gee, would be funny to watch the WEF-frens, the gold and grey checkmarks circle-jerking eachother on their announcements and posts right?  What about watching the greybars agree with a greybar tweet? Totally not intentional.  And of course, giving celebrities and journalists (The old Upper-Caste of Twitter's woke clubhouse) the same blue-check status as the normies, is fuckin intentional.  "No you aren't special, your speech is the same as everyone else's, shut up lmao"  It's definitely way more genius when articulated like this. 
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ayada: I don't think getting people excited for the phone would be an issue, Elon has marketing pretty much nailed. Yes, Microsoft had a lot of issues in getting the public excited for their phones, but all things considering the phones and the software wasn't all that bad for the time. It's downfall was the lack of anything third party on the things for the majority of it's lifespan, especially given how quickly the Apple and Android ecosystems were expanding at the time. No one wanted to be stuck on a phone that couldn't do the things the other phones were doing. This was the vicious cycle that ended up killing the product. People wouldn't buy a phone that they didn't know existed, and those that did didn't want it because of the lack of support, and businesses didn't want to invest the money into an ecosystem that wouldn't make them money because no one was using it. Elon, or anyone for that matter, faces a similar predicament. The third party developers are just as important in a phone these days as the operating system behind it. It's why I said I have no doubts that Elon could make a great phone, but that's only part of the challenge. A "smart" phone without any app support is a very hard ask today, and when those same companies that you'd want to invest into your new app ecosystem are the same companies that are shooting themselves in the foot by removing their marketing off of twitter, what I see is a product that's starting at a disadvantage. Hence, my comparison with Microsoft. Arguably, Microsoft had the best chance to create a foothold into the market. They had the money to spend, the connections in companies, and the developer resources needed for those companies to push an app out. If there was a chance for it to succeed, it's either going to need to be a big hit on launch, or the acknowledgement of it being a long game. Microsoft ended up having a less than stellar launch, and cut their losses before it could ever really recover. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Microsoft has always had problems marketing their products to consumers. Windows 95 was pretty much the only good marketing move they had. I remember when Microsoft started pushing their Surface tablet back in 2012. The commercials were nothing more than people dancing around with a table. Then they ran through various handheld devices running a neutered version of windows. The only reason people tried using them because they integrated with other Microsoft product. But since they were neutered they didn't implement everything and that caused a lot of 3rd party apps to not work or required creating a Windows version and a Windows CE version, double the effort but no new users since everyone was already using it on their computers. Their core products work well and were adopted by businesses. That is the only reason they are utilized the way they are. They have no understanding of how to go after consumers and make a consumer driven product, they create business products that some people might use at home. I don't think getting people excited for the phone would be an issue, Elon has marketing pretty much nailed. Yes, Microsoft had a lot of issues in getting the public excited for their phones, but all things considering the phones and the software wasn't all that bad for the time. It's downfall was the lack of anything third party on the things for the majority of it's lifespan, especially given how quickly the Apple and Android ecosystems were expanding at the time. No one wanted to be stuck on a phone that couldn't do the things the other phones were doing. This was the vicious cycle that ended up killing the product. People wouldn't buy a phone that they didn't know existed, and those that did didn't want it because of the lack of support, and businesses didn't want to invest the money into an ecosystem that wouldn't make them money because no one was using it. Elon, or anyone for that matter, faces a similar predicament. The third party developers are just as important in a phone these days as the operating system behind it. It's why I said I have no doubts that Elon could make a great phone, but that's only part of the challenge. A "smart" phone without any app support is a very hard ask today, and when those same companies that you'd want to invest into your new app ecosystem are the same companies that are shooting themselves in the foot by removing their marketing off of twitter, what I see is a product that's starting at a disadvantage. Hence, my comparison with Microsoft. Arguably, Microsoft had the best chance to create a foothold into the market. They had the money to spend, the connections in companies, and the developer resources needed for those companies to push an app out. If there was a chance for it to succeed, it's either going to need to be a big hit on launch, or the acknowledgement of it being a long game. Microsoft ended up having a less than stellar launch, and cut their losses before it could ever really recover. What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:45:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darcy: @ludder903 You need to file an appeal, and then respond to the email they send you. Then you should be in business. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I just got a dozen nutty people followers. It seems they just post up conservative posters’ accounts just to follow back and forth in a huge circle jerk. I called an OnlyFans chick a whore and suddenly got a bunch of whore followers. Kinda weird. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR_Slut: What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR_Slut: Originally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Microsoft has always had problems marketing their products to consumers. Windows 95 was pretty much the only good marketing move they had. I remember when Microsoft started pushing their Surface tablet back in 2012. The commercials were nothing more than people dancing around with a table. Then they ran through various handheld devices running a neutered version of windows. The only reason people tried using them because they integrated with other Microsoft product. But since they were neutered they didn't implement everything and that caused a lot of 3rd party apps to not work or required creating a Windows version and a Windows CE version, double the effort but no new users since everyone was already using it on their computers. Their core products work well and were adopted by businesses. That is the only reason they are utilized the way they are. They have no understanding of how to go after consumers and make a consumer driven product, they create business products that some people might use at home. I don't think getting people excited for the phone would be an issue, Elon has marketing pretty much nailed. Yes, Microsoft had a lot of issues in getting the public excited for their phones, but all things considering the phones and the software wasn't all that bad for the time. It's downfall was the lack of anything third party on the things for the majority of it's lifespan, especially given how quickly the Apple and Android ecosystems were expanding at the time. No one wanted to be stuck on a phone that couldn't do the things the other phones were doing. This was the vicious cycle that ended up killing the product. People wouldn't buy a phone that they didn't know existed, and those that did didn't want it because of the lack of support, and businesses didn't want to invest the money into an ecosystem that wouldn't make them money because no one was using it. Elon, or anyone for that matter, faces a similar predicament. The third party developers are just as important in a phone these days as the operating system behind it. It's why I said I have no doubts that Elon could make a great phone, but that's only part of the challenge. A "smart" phone without any app support is a very hard ask today, and when those same companies that you'd want to invest into your new app ecosystem are the same companies that are shooting themselves in the foot by removing their marketing off of twitter, what I see is a product that's starting at a disadvantage. Hence, my comparison with Microsoft. Arguably, Microsoft had the best chance to create a foothold into the market. They had the money to spend, the connections in companies, and the developer resources needed for those companies to push an app out. If there was a chance for it to succeed, it's either going to need to be a big hit on launch, or the acknowledgement of it being a long game. Microsoft ended up having a less than stellar launch, and cut their losses before it could ever really recover. What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnalogKid: I want the names of those involved from Vajayjay all the way downwards to the janitor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By Darcy: Party time https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213289/7C11494C-0C1F-4F0C-9471-C5F462C55D17_jpe-2617014.JPG I want the names of those involved from Vajayjay all the way downwards to the janitor. Leave Scruffy out of this…. Just imagine the things he’s been forced to both see and cleanup after. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
"Republicans are racist!" "Republicans hate women!" "Republicans hate immigrants!" Yep... all that kind of misinformation spread so far and wide. Time to clamp down on it! |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ayada: I hope that's the case because I absolutely refuse to browse Twitter on anything without a browser that specifically blocks that stupid popup. as a developer myself I absolutely hate it when sites do that shit. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Originally Posted By SBR_Slut: Originally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Microsoft has always had problems marketing their products to consumers. Windows 95 was pretty much the only good marketing move they had. I remember when Microsoft started pushing their Surface tablet back in 2012. The commercials were nothing more than people dancing around with a table. Then they ran through various handheld devices running a neutered version of windows. The only reason people tried using them because they integrated with other Microsoft product. But since they were neutered they didn't implement everything and that caused a lot of 3rd party apps to not work or required creating a Windows version and a Windows CE version, double the effort but no new users since everyone was already using it on their computers. Their core products work well and were adopted by businesses. That is the only reason they are utilized the way they are. They have no understanding of how to go after consumers and make a consumer driven product, they create business products that some people might use at home. I don't think getting people excited for the phone would be an issue, Elon has marketing pretty much nailed. Yes, Microsoft had a lot of issues in getting the public excited for their phones, but all things considering the phones and the software wasn't all that bad for the time. It's downfall was the lack of anything third party on the things for the majority of it's lifespan, especially given how quickly the Apple and Android ecosystems were expanding at the time. No one wanted to be stuck on a phone that couldn't do the things the other phones were doing. This was the vicious cycle that ended up killing the product. People wouldn't buy a phone that they didn't know existed, and those that did didn't want it because of the lack of support, and businesses didn't want to invest the money into an ecosystem that wouldn't make them money because no one was using it. Elon, or anyone for that matter, faces a similar predicament. The third party developers are just as important in a phone these days as the operating system behind it. It's why I said I have no doubts that Elon could make a great phone, but that's only part of the challenge. A "smart" phone without any app support is a very hard ask today, and when those same companies that you'd want to invest into your new app ecosystem are the same companies that are shooting themselves in the foot by removing their marketing off of twitter, what I see is a product that's starting at a disadvantage. Hence, my comparison with Microsoft. Arguably, Microsoft had the best chance to create a foothold into the market. They had the money to spend, the connections in companies, and the developer resources needed for those companies to push an app out. If there was a chance for it to succeed, it's either going to need to be a big hit on launch, or the acknowledgement of it being a long game. Microsoft ended up having a less than stellar launch, and cut their losses before it could ever really recover. What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. Then you will see laws against encryption with mandated backdoors. I firmly believe there is a lot of negotiation with legislators and the executive branch about access to data. They play ball and the gov't has a pet company they can manipulate. Just like the portal FB has for gov't takedown requests and using these companies to censor speech. FB or Twitter tell them F off and the hammer will come down. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 9:55:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR_Slut: What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) Building apps for X-branded Android when the starting point is the Googfascist Android version is going to be straight forward and probably not a lot more than hooking into a few differently named libraries and folders. There are already completely open source versions of Android running on open source type hardware. X-phone could quite quickly ramp up into a product if using something like that as a starting point. People are building apps for those. So no, it's not hard, a smaller problem than marketing and making the phone profitable by far. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 10:12:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captainpooby: She zero original thoughts. Everything she says has to be written down for her. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captainpooby: Originally Posted By crag_dt: Is she actually just reading from her notes? She zero original thoughts. Everything she says has to be written down for her. More importantly: it means this was an expected question. Remember the Bee article about the WH getting angry about reporters asking their own questions instead of the ones given? |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 10:12:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: In certain circles of the tech world, it is known. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 10:13:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: Then you will see laws against encryption with mandated backdoors. I firmly believe there is a lot of negotiation with legislators and the executive branch about access to data. They play ball and the gov't has a pet company they can manipulate. Just like the portal FB has for gov't takedown requests and using these companies to censor speech. FB or Twitter tell them F off and the hammer will come down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Originally Posted By SBR_Slut: Originally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Microsoft has always had problems marketing their products to consumers. Windows 95 was pretty much the only good marketing move they had. I remember when Microsoft started pushing their Surface tablet back in 2012. The commercials were nothing more than people dancing around with a table. Then they ran through various handheld devices running a neutered version of windows. The only reason people tried using them because they integrated with other Microsoft product. But since they were neutered they didn't implement everything and that caused a lot of 3rd party apps to not work or required creating a Windows version and a Windows CE version, double the effort but no new users since everyone was already using it on their computers. Their core products work well and were adopted by businesses. That is the only reason they are utilized the way they are. They have no understanding of how to go after consumers and make a consumer driven product, they create business products that some people might use at home. I don't think getting people excited for the phone would be an issue, Elon has marketing pretty much nailed. Yes, Microsoft had a lot of issues in getting the public excited for their phones, but all things considering the phones and the software wasn't all that bad for the time. It's downfall was the lack of anything third party on the things for the majority of it's lifespan, especially given how quickly the Apple and Android ecosystems were expanding at the time. No one wanted to be stuck on a phone that couldn't do the things the other phones were doing. This was the vicious cycle that ended up killing the product. People wouldn't buy a phone that they didn't know existed, and those that did didn't want it because of the lack of support, and businesses didn't want to invest the money into an ecosystem that wouldn't make them money because no one was using it. Elon, or anyone for that matter, faces a similar predicament. The third party developers are just as important in a phone these days as the operating system behind it. It's why I said I have no doubts that Elon could make a great phone, but that's only part of the challenge. A "smart" phone without any app support is a very hard ask today, and when those same companies that you'd want to invest into your new app ecosystem are the same companies that are shooting themselves in the foot by removing their marketing off of twitter, what I see is a product that's starting at a disadvantage. Hence, my comparison with Microsoft. Arguably, Microsoft had the best chance to create a foothold into the market. They had the money to spend, the connections in companies, and the developer resources needed for those companies to push an app out. If there was a chance for it to succeed, it's either going to need to be a big hit on launch, or the acknowledgement of it being a long game. Microsoft ended up having a less than stellar launch, and cut their losses before it could ever really recover. What if the phone could emulate Android and run Android apps too? (I'm not a programmer lmao, pls no bully lol) I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. Then you will see laws against encryption with mandated backdoors. I firmly believe there is a lot of negotiation with legislators and the executive branch about access to data. They play ball and the gov't has a pet company they can manipulate. Just like the portal FB has for gov't takedown requests and using these companies to censor speech. FB or Twitter tell them F off and the hammer will come down. Bring it on. The gov can't tell me what I can and can't write. Whether I write with a pen or keyboard or whether it is later run through a compiler is irrelevant. Code is free speech. Even Apple argued that when the FBI was demanding they unlock a mass shooters phone. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 11:37:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: when's my account going to be unlocked? Has he given an estimate for that yet? My oldest suspended account (created in 2009) was unlocked a few hours ago. The ones I created in 2020/21 are still suspended. Probably worth noting that I contest the suspensions on a daily basis and respond to the daily email verification emails I receive from Twitter. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:17:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 28, 2022 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FirCDeGVsAAjlP5?format=jpg&name=small 
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:19:05 AM EDT
[#29]
30%?
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:22:09 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darcy: @ludder903 You need to file an appeal, and then respond to the email they send you. Then you should be in business. Yep! Was gonna post same thing. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:22:42 AM EDT
[#31]
The coke cans say Cook
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:37:15 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q: "Republicans are racist!" "Republicans hate women!" "Republicans hate immigrants!" Yep... all that kind of misinformation spread so far and wide. Time to clamp down on it! The communist propaganda machine being gutted has them all in a bind Peoples eyes are opening. They are seeing that the fukin communists do NOT have us outnumbered Not even close These are the things the communists night mares are made of What comes next Does something akin to Nuremberg ring a bell...... |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:47:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. I was just thinking. He could get the phones made with all the security features that make the pixel line so graphene friendly. Then work with the guys at graphene to have a native phone. He should get in touch with them to see what it would take. I'm almost positive I read that he is a contributor to the signal project. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:50:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: So Tim Cook is wanting to be the guy in the superbowl commercial that gets a sledge thrown at his image on a screen? It ran once….but it very well remembered |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 3:45:38 AM EDT
[#35]
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRCHPnV1/
Story from when Carl Icahn fired 12 floors of people. The end talks about companies like Twitter. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 4:09:25 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustyprop: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRCHPnV1/ Story from when Carl Icahn fired 12 floors of people. The end talks about companies like Twitter. This happens a lot with older companies that had slow but steady growth that also was not as typically affected by market ups and downs as many other businesses. They tend to collect a lot of cruft in the organization where structures become 'that's always how we've done it' type attitudes where no one has any authority to rock the boat. Those at the top take on the attitude of being anchors in the community where they won't ever dare rock the boat and let people go. There is also the opposite approach where a scavenger comes in and guts a good company down to the bones trying to get a squeeze of short-term profit out. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 4:27:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. Here's a crazy (maybe not) alternative. The WebOS operating system was open-sourced when abandoned by HP. It's based on linux and predates all the surveillance stuff. The last phones that used it were really pretty slick and far ahead of their time... I'm sure it would need considerable updating, but it would be a place to start that's open source if you wanted to build a new OS environment. So many apps are spyware in their own right, don't know why people are so interested in using them if you're looking for a more privacy-oriented phone experience. Someone started work on a fork of it for the Pinephone but last I tried it, it was very unfinished, I think it was called LuneOS. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 4:51:43 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/427C5D3B-6B00-4CAE-B0B6-C76349FD4F97-2617336.jpg If this is the niche he wants to settle into, I'm all for it.
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:04:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Correct Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By JQ66: Twitter can probably run with two dozen people. It's not as if they're making anything As long as the servers are operational And the occasional algorithm or bug that appears is fixed. The rest were there for censorship and pushing certain content Correct |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:08:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: t75fnaco3pwzhd]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By munsen: I was just thinking. He could get the phones made with all the security features that make the pixel line so graphene friendly. Then work with the guys at graphene to have a native phone. He should get in touch with them to see what it would take. I'm almost positive I read that he is a contributor to the signal project. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By munsen: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. I was just thinking. He could get the phones made with all the security features that make the pixel line so graphene friendly. Then work with the guys at graphene to have a native phone. He should get in touch with them to see what it would take. I'm almost positive I read that he is a contributor to the signal project. I don’t know if he’s a contributor but I know he’s a fan of signal. So you know he finds privacy important. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:12:05 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Here's a crazy (maybe not) alternative. The WebOS operating system was open-sourced when abandoned by HP. It's based on linux and predates all the surveillance stuff. The last phones that used it were really pretty slick and far ahead of their time... I'm sure it would need considerable updating, but it would be a place to start that's open source if you wanted to build a new OS environment. So many apps are spyware in their own right, don't know why people are so interested in using them if you're looking for a more privacy-oriented phone experience. Someone started work on a fork of it for the Pinephone but last I tried it, it was very unfinished, I think it was called LuneOS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: I already answered this. Android is open source, so he could just fork it. But what is something that neither iOS or Android have? Privacy. Rather than create his own fork, he could just throw his weight behind the best privacy centric android fork and come out with a phone that ships with it preinstalled. GrapheneOS is arguably the best choice for this. An open source, privacy centric mobile OS would be a great match for a free speech social platform. Here's a crazy (maybe not) alternative. The WebOS operating system was open-sourced when abandoned by HP. It's based on linux and predates all the surveillance stuff. The last phones that used it were really pretty slick and far ahead of their time... I'm sure it would need considerable updating, but it would be a place to start that's open source if you wanted to build a new OS environment. So many apps are spyware in their own right, don't know why people are so interested in using them if you're looking for a more privacy-oriented phone experience. Someone started work on a fork of it for the Pinephone but last I tried it, it was very unfinished, I think it was called LuneOS. Wouldn’t work. Whatever OS he chooses, it needs to be compatible with the apps developers are already building. Otherwise it won’t do any better than windows phone did. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:15:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
The pot calling the kettle black. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:36:49 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Muskholio - "are you threatening me!?" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By GBTX01:
This is getting interesting.  Muskholio - "are you threatening me!?"  |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:52:42 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ayada: Microsoft poured in billions and couldn't get even a sliver of market share, and they sponsored the shit out of companies to make apps for their phones. The biggest challenge is not making the phone, or even the operating system. The two biggest issues are getting people to buy the thing, and getting companies to support it. I don't think he would have issues with getting an initial surge of hype purchases. What I do doubt is finding companies that are willing to port their apps to yet another ecosystem that's unproven to their eyes, especially when we see that companies will disregard profit to make a statement (i.e., pull advertising from Twitter because of feelings). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By Geralt55: In reality he would not need to clean out Apple and Google to "win", he would only need to have enough market to sustain itself and to remove their bullying power, preventing them from dropping twitter. And if there's a person I would try to try a smartphone-startup and go after Microsoft poured in billions and couldn't get even a sliver of market share, and they sponsored the shit out of companies to make apps for their phones. The biggest challenge is not making the phone, or even the operating system. The two biggest issues are getting people to buy the thing, and getting companies to support it. I don't think he would have issues with getting an initial surge of hype purchases. What I do doubt is finding companies that are willing to port their apps to yet another ecosystem that's unproven to their eyes, especially when we see that companies will disregard profit to make a statement (i.e., pull advertising from Twitter because of feelings). To be fair, there was a lot of buzz surrounding the MS attempts at breaking into the personal device market- their Windows-based phones and the Zune, etc. The problem MS had and still has is shitty UI and buggy, exploitable software. People learned quickly they were garbage. I bought a Zune thinking it’d be awesome, but it sucked. Poor sound quality, the PC side software blew major cock and destroyed my music library, etc. A phone all about unfettered access, ease of use, limited in bugs, with Individual Liberty and privacy at its core would rock the fucking market. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:23:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: @Bassgasm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By JQ66: Twitter can probably run with two dozen people. It's not as if they're making anything As long as the servers are operational And the occasional algorithm or bug that appears is fixed. The rest were there for censorship and pushing certain content Correct Twitter operates on-prem data centers. You're NOT doing that with "two dozen people". Their chances at keeping those systems up depend on how well designed and maintained those data centers were to begin with and how many of those techs/engineers were fired or took the severance. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:31:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder900: Google is also making demands, and so is the Federal Government. The FCC is looking to shut down Musk, woth the FEC,SEC, FBI and USSS possibly getting a FISA warrant to raid Musk. Also the Feds and EU won't allow a Musk phone on the market. They will say it's a Chinese Communist phone like Haweii and ZTE, and ban it from US and EU networks. Get enough starlink satellites up and musk will not need a terrestrial network. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:45:38 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Twitter operates on-prem data centers. You're NOT doing that with "two dozen people". Their chances at keeping those systems up depend on how well designed and maintained those data centers were to begin with and how many of those techs/engineers were fired or took the severance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By JQ66: Twitter can probably run with two dozen people. It's not as if they're making anything As long as the servers are operational And the occasional algorithm or bug that appears is fixed. The rest were there for censorship and pushing certain content Correct Twitter operates on-prem data centers. You're NOT doing that with "two dozen people". Their chances at keeping those systems up depend on how well designed and maintained those data centers were to begin with and how many of those techs/engineers were fired or took the severance. Four dozen? Six? |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:51:20 AM EDT
[#48]
As far as compatibility goes with existing apps, his best route would be an Android clone something like Graphene.
Java based apps will be easier to make a compatible host OS for than iPhone apps (which is probably virtually impossible). IDK what the licensing restrictions are currently, and Google might make them even tighter if Elon tries to do something like what Graphene did. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 10:59:24 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Twitter was a beacon of truth before musk took over, that’s the implication. Fucking clown world. Now that Twitter users are “allowed” to fact checking the damn White House official comm…oh now that’s misinformation and hate. Direct from The White House Gas Light Factory |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 11:10:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Four dozen? Six? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By JQ66: Twitter can probably run with two dozen people. It's not as if they're making anything As long as the servers are operational And the occasional algorithm or bug that appears is fixed. The rest were there for censorship and pushing certain content Correct Twitter operates on-prem data centers. You're NOT doing that with "two dozen people". Their chances at keeping those systems up depend on how well designed and maintained those data centers were to begin with and how many of those techs/engineers were fired or took the severance. Four dozen? Six? Depending upon size and complexity, you’re looking at 50-100 guys per site including functions that are often outsourced like physical security, electrical, and HVAC. That just gets you the DC, not the software or any of the business functions. |
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