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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
It says it's been moved, but the link just takes me to the Community page. What gives?


This is now the active "shit (might be) is definitely happening in Ukraine" thread.

News links, thanks to BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH

Kyiv Post

Ukrainian News

UKRInform

EUROMAIDEN PRESS

New Voice of Ukraine

Kyiv Independent

Ukraine World

InterFax Ukraine

UATV

Ukrainian Journal

Official Website of the President of Ukraine

Ukrainian Ministry of Defense

Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often.
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Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise.

New news link c/o berettaguy:

Ukrainian Pravda
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/

Stop fake, anti - disinformation site:
https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:34:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

Apologies, and thanks for your service.

That said, for better or worse, FJB fucked up our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but that means we aren't currently embroiled in a poorly managed, unwinnable-because-of-rules overseas conflict at the moment. If we're smart, we'll keep out of them for a while. In the meantime, why not flood our allies with good shit to keep them alive and our enemies, the enemies THEY CHOSE TO BE AND CONTINUE TO PROFESS TO BEING, dying? Wiping them out in Ukraine might actually prevent a wider conflict from starting. NOT doing so could cause the opposite, embroiling more countries in the war.

Again, no one is rafting over here to take the West Coast.

SKorea is fine. Japan is fine. Israel is fine. NATO counties are fine. We're fine.

Let's fuck up Russia while we have the chance, and make China think three times before doing ANYTHING. The Norks are a wildcard, not much you can do there to prepare, or worry. Iran is barely a step above that. If they get stupid and chaos kicks loose because of them, we'd be no worse off than before. They either nuke us or our allies, or our allies wipe the floor with them with our aid, even if it's less than it could have been due to what we pump into Ukraine.
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No need to apologize. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I just want to see US production exercised so we can see what the capability gaps are and fix them so they're not present in the event we actually need to ramp up production.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:39:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:


No need to apologize. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I just want to see US production exercised so we can see what the capability gaps are and fix them so they're not present in the event we actually need to ramp up production.
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:
Originally Posted By Kagetora:

Apologies, and thanks for your service.

That said, for better or worse, FJB fucked up our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but that means we aren't currently embroiled in a poorly managed, unwinnable-because-of-rules overseas conflict at the moment. If we're smart, we'll keep out of them for a while. In the meantime, why not flood our allies with good shit to keep them alive and our enemies, the enemies THEY CHOSE TO BE AND CONTINUE TO PROFESS TO BEING, dying? Wiping them out in Ukraine might actually prevent a wider conflict from starting. NOT doing so could cause the opposite, embroiling more countries in the war.

Again, no one is rafting over here to take the West Coast.

SKorea is fine. Japan is fine. Israel is fine. NATO counties are fine. We're fine.

Let's fuck up Russia while we have the chance, and make China think three times before doing ANYTHING. The Norks are a wildcard, not much you can do there to prepare, or worry. Iran is barely a step above that. If they get stupid and chaos kicks loose because of them, we'd be no worse off than before. They either nuke us or our allies, or our allies wipe the floor with them with our aid, even if it's less than it could have been due to what we pump into Ukraine.


No need to apologize. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I just want to see US production exercised so we can see what the capability gaps are and fix them so they're not present in the event we actually need to ramp up production.

Like you say, we NEEDED to ramp up production. Back in February. We didn't, as usual. We always need to be a year late to the party for some reason.

That said, we'll be fine. I worry for our allies, not myself.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:40:33 AM EDT
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Nucking Futs Yuri narrates his nine minute village assault/AT4 video


Vehicle overview: The shadow follows you wherever you are Pictured, the Su-24M has been upgraded to launch Storm Shadow cruise missiles. Storm Shadow / SCALP is an aircraft cruise missile manufactured by MBDA. Joint Anglo-French development. The French version of the missile is abbreviated SCALP EG (French Système de croisière conventionnel autonome à longue portée Emploi General, literally "multi-purpose high-precision long-range cruise missile with autonomous guidance"). Specifications: Weight: ~ 1300 kg. Length: 5.1 m. Diameter: 0.5 m. Wingspan: 2.84 m. Warhead: 450 kg. Range: over 250 km. Flight altitude: 30-40 m. Speed: 0.8 M (~ 1000 km / h). Storm Shadow / SCALP is a shadow that scalps delicately and accurately. With the help of Ukrainian front-line bombers, Putin will receive such scalps in huge quantities - enough to hang on all the battlements of the Kremlin wall. #weapon_of_victory #russia_terrorist Eng Twitter | U Twitter | YouTube | TikTok | Russian telegram | Submit photo/video


Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:45:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Nucking Futs Yuri narrates his nine minute village assault/AT4 video
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Weird that it's only one shot from a TOS. They're not exactly known for being accurate and they're supposed to employ it (according to their doctrine at least) as a fuck that grid square over there sort of thing. Think a shorter ranged BM-21 with bigger rockets.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:55:00 AM EDT
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Russian TG
The mobilized Ugra residents were ordered to "make snowballs and throw them instead of grenades." During the month of their stay at the training center, they were taken to the shooting range only three times, but they were not given weapons. 👉 Subscribe
https://t.me/groupzarya/21851


Priest Alexander Tsyganov died from severe wounds received in the special operation zone Father Alexander Tsyganov died from incompatible injuries received as a result of shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He, along with the previously deceased Archpriest Mikhail Vasiliev, came under fire from Ukrainian militants. The press service of the Russian Orthodox Church reported on the tragic death of Father Alexander Tsyganov. “The deceased priest was wounded while performing his priestly duty to take care of the soldiers of the Russian army in the zone of the special operation,” the press service said. 👉 Subscribe
https://t.me/groupzarya/21836


Purportedly recovered by Russians in “Orlyanka”, likely one of their Russian names for a Ukrainian city. My guess Zaporizhzhia oblast somewhere.
Also, recovered mags show 7.62x39.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/19954



Link Posted: 11/22/2022 2:57:23 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/22/2022 3:25:54 AM EDT
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Likely because we don't have a federal budget at the moment.

Just Continuing Resolution after Continuing Resolution.
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Our shit really is way out of order, and when people object to our involvement on those grounds….I get it.  
But on those same grounds, there’s a LOT we can’t afford. I could stand to hear those objections too.

Link Posted: 11/22/2022 3:28:49 AM EDT
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiHstr5WYAEVF9M?format=jpg&name=large
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WOW that is like pre-scud era missile. The Frog-7 is what started basically the SCUD line of rockets.. they really are breaking out museum stuff and using it lol
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 3:38:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Russian TG
The mobilized Ugra residents were ordered to "make snowballs and throw them instead of grenades." During the month of their stay at the training center, they were taken to the shooting range only three times, but they were not given weapons. 👉 Subscribe
https://t.me/groupzarya/21851


Priest Alexander Tsyganov died from severe wounds received in the special operation zone Father Alexander Tsyganov died from incompatible injuries received as a result of shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He, along with the previously deceased Archpriest Mikhail Vasiliev, came under fire from Ukrainian militants. The press service of the Russian Orthodox Church reported on the tragic death of Father Alexander Tsyganov. “The deceased priest was wounded while performing his priestly duty to take care of the soldiers of the Russian army in the zone of the special operation,” the press service said. 👉 Subscribe
https://t.me/groupzarya/21836


Purportedly recovered by Russians in “Orlyanka”, likely one of their Russian names for a Ukrainian city. My guess Zaporizhzhia oblast somewhere.
Also, recovered mags show 7.62x39.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/19954

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/543D33FE-8837-4868-AACB-73A079F49E3B-2609730.jpg

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Those German grenades are cool, you can take out the core and just use it like a huge flash bang with out the shrapnel.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 4:15:28 AM EDT
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Things starting to pick back up.


Link Posted: 11/22/2022 4:21:07 AM EDT
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More hype about these guys from the Russia-appointed Governor of Zaporizhzhia-

Today, the volunteers of the Sudoplatov battalion conducted combat coordination. Although today we are talking not about a battalion, but about a company and not just one. In addition to physical training and combat shooting, the fighters are testing new highly mobile equipment. The unit's vehicle fleet includes airborne and trucks, heavy and light armored vehicles, which are necessary to perform combat and tactical tasks. The administration of the Zaporozhye region consistently provides support to all volunteers, keeps under control all issues related to equipment, weapons and technical equipment of the military unit. The volunteer battalion includes not only our countrymen, but also guys from the Crimea, Kherson, the Urals and other regions of our great Motherland. All volunteers undergo a specialized background check. Guys with combat experience and those who have never served in the army are gaining experience shoulder to shoulder.
https://t.me/BalitskyEV/515


Interesting product placement-


Link Posted: 11/22/2022 5:13:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

Apologies, and thanks for your service.

That said, for better or worse, FJB fucked up our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but that means we aren't currently embroiled in a poorly managed, unwinnable-because-of-rules overseas conflict at the moment. If we're smart, we'll keep out of them for a while. In the meantime, why not flood our allies with good shit to keep them alive and our enemies, the enemies THEY CHOSE TO BE AND CONTINUE TO PROFESS TO BEING, dying? Wiping them out in Ukraine might actually prevent a wider conflict from starting. NOT doing so could cause the opposite, embroiling more countries in the war.

Again, no one is rafting over here to take the West Coast.

SKorea is fine. Japan is fine. Israel is fine. NATO counties are fine. We're fine.

Let's fuck up Russia while we have the chance, and make China think three times before doing ANYTHING. The Norks are a wildcard, not much you can do there to prepare, or worry. Iran is barely a step above that. If they get stupid and chaos kicks loose because of them, we'd be no worse off than before. They either nuke us or our allies, or our allies wipe the floor with them with our aid, even if it's less than it could have been due to what we pump into Ukraine.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:
Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:
Originally Posted By merick:

We can likely build precision weapon systems just as fast as half finished F-150's.


I was on the receiving end of a PGM shortage during OIR, you have way more faith in the system than I do.

Apologies, and thanks for your service.

That said, for better or worse, FJB fucked up our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but that means we aren't currently embroiled in a poorly managed, unwinnable-because-of-rules overseas conflict at the moment. If we're smart, we'll keep out of them for a while. In the meantime, why not flood our allies with good shit to keep them alive and our enemies, the enemies THEY CHOSE TO BE AND CONTINUE TO PROFESS TO BEING, dying? Wiping them out in Ukraine might actually prevent a wider conflict from starting. NOT doing so could cause the opposite, embroiling more countries in the war.

Again, no one is rafting over here to take the West Coast.

SKorea is fine. Japan is fine. Israel is fine. NATO counties are fine. We're fine.

Let's fuck up Russia while we have the chance, and make China think three times before doing ANYTHING. The Norks are a wildcard, not much you can do there to prepare, or worry. Iran is barely a step above that. If they get stupid and chaos kicks loose because of them, we'd be no worse off than before. They either nuke us or our allies, or our allies wipe the floor with them with our aid, even if it's less than it could have been due to what we pump into Ukraine.
I understand what you're saying but the problem is Korea.

South Korea could turn very much NOT fine very quickly. If/when that happens all the services will be committed because all of them have important roles to play for that fight. Being ready to "Fight Tonight" and have everything need to win is a requirement.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 6:28:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:

Our shit really is way out of order, and when people object to our involvement on those grounds .I get it.  
But on those same grounds, there's a LOT we can't afford. I could stand to hear those objections too.

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The 1% of spending is getting 99% of the focus. There's trillions that need cut elsewhere first.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 7:55:30 AM EDT
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I didn't see this posted but I may have missed it.



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They expand on that here,
Ukraine War: Is Putin planning to expand his war?
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 8:56:32 AM EDT
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This guy has some good videos. First hand accounts.

complete break down of my first viral video of being handed AT-4 instead of ammo.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:08:57 AM EDT
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New offensive.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-launches-assault-to-oust-russia-from-key-black-sea-peninsula-11669114391

Ukraine’s military said it launched an operation to push Russian forces from a strategic peninsula on the country’s Black Sea coast, as Kyiv looks to open up its besieged ports and build on significant gains through the country’s south.

Ukrainian forces have begun an assault on the Kinburn Spit, a strip of land jutting into the sea south of Mykolaiv, that has been occupied for months by Russian forces cutting off access to the port city.

“For now, this military operation is in silent mode,” said Natalia Humeniuk, a spokeswoman for Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command, on Ukrainian television late Monday. Ms. Humeniuk didn’t say when the operation had started but said stormy weather provided an advantage for Ukrainian forces in the area.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:09:12 AM EDT
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In WWII, Russian troops waited for someone to drop in order to get a rifle and bandolier.

In Ukraine, they have to wait for some to get injured in order to get pants.

Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:19:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By voodochild:
This guy has some good videos. First hand accounts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wyzF7iv0w
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He did good on explaining the why in that video
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:23:30 AM EDT
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Part of unit ar15 clothed and geared up. They sent this in thanks. More boots and supplies going out soon.

Also guys/gals please link any good thinsulate gortex hiking combat duty boot sales, PM me. We need ten more pairs of 9-11.

Attachment Attached File
Gear drive
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:30:22 AM EDT
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Modern Americans will largely accept almost anything in their own interest of continuing to be comfortable.
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It's a hard addiction to shake.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:31:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
In WWII, Russian troops waited for someone to drop in order to get a rifle and bandolier.

In Ukraine, they have to wait for some to get injured in order to get pants.

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See post above, it’s a huge motivator to give people good warm clothing that’s new (overstock) but we washed the warehouse smell off. 90% still had tags. 2020-2021 manufacture mostly.

You feel great when you all wear matching camo and undergarments. It’s like a real military. Now we need to get them a couple HMMTs and armored vehicles so they won’t deploy in a couple public transport and school buses😀
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:31:58 AM EDT
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/watch-russians-call-for-putin-to-launch-nuclear-strike-on-washington-in-stunning-protest-march/ar-AA143JiC

Russians protest, screaming to nuke Washington. Repeating Putin's words verbatim by the way.

[youtube]shorts/oEqkNVwG5kM[/youtube]
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Yeah when I say they’re crazy, they’re crazy. Finish them to the point of armistice under ukrainian conditions is the only way
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I assume if all you have is grenades with four second fuses, drop from 270 feet and its going to be close to a contact fuse.
I'm not sure if that's what OP meant.

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The ones I've watched don't shuck the flipper
till they hit something.  So timing starts then.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:37:03 AM EDT
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I'm not saying Russian doesn't have effective radar & communication jamming equipment.  I'm just questioning whose radar and communication equipment they're good at jamming.

Ukraine has Russian designed and built radar and missile systems.  Who's to say the Russians are not good at jamming their own equipment?

What I really want to know is if US aircraft & missile systems would be jammed.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 9:38:32 AM EDT
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Pro-Russian source, but the interesting part here is this is SSE of Belgorod.
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lol, not really, they can home in on extremely specific types of electromagnetic radiation.  Especially if you have intel that say an S-400 Grave Stone I/J band tracking radar is in the area.

They never show what was most likely hit.
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:


Agreed, but we aren't ramping production up for some reason. We need to fix that, like now if only for self serving reasons. On my side of the house I'm hoping that the switch from Hellfire to JAGM will light a fire under somebodies ass but I've been around long enough to know that in the Army hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

Nope. I've never been that cool. Hell, I've never been cool a day in my life.

My point is that we could ramp up missile production MUCH faster than we could ramp up platform production. Exponentially faster. If we left ourselves 75% of our platforms, and a much smaller percentage of our ammo by providing the rest to Ukraine to obliterate Russian idiots, we'd be FAR ahead of the game. That's not even counting the potentially compatible missile ammo from our allies, i.e. South Korea, who don't seem to have the dipshits that we do running our military manufacturing complex at the moment.


Agreed, but we aren't ramping production up for some reason. We need to fix that, like now if only for self serving reasons. On my side of the house I'm hoping that the switch from Hellfire to JAGM will light a fire under somebodies ass but I've been around long enough to know that in the Army hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.



We are, for multiple systems, but it doesn't make big news.  

This week:
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/11/14/army-awards-lockheed-500m-deal-to-replenish-rockets-stockpile/#:~:text=Last%20month%2C%20Lockheed%20announced%20it,has%20sent%20to%20the%20country

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army has awarded Lockheed Martin a deal worth $521 million to replenish U.S. stocks of Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, which were supplied to Ukraine to beat back Russia’s invasion.

The service on Oct. 21 and Nov. 2 issued contracts funded by Congress’ supplemental appropriation to support Ukraine.


“These awards demonstrate the significant impact GMLRS are having on the battlefield as a vital combat capability for our international partners,” William LaPlante, the under secretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, said in a Nov. 14 statement. “They are great examples of contracting approaches we are using to more rapidly accelerate award timelines and ultimately deliver capability.”

Last month, Army acquisition chief Doug Bush told Defense News the Army is using multiple methods to accelerate contracts that will replenish supplies heading to Ukraine. Bush said in the Nov. 14 statement the Army remains “committed to getting things on contract as quickly as possible to ensure our stocks are rapidly replenished.”

Lockheed Martin also won a $179 million contract earlier this fall to replace High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, that are also being sent to Ukraine, along with an order of GMLRS.


From September this year:
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/dod-procurement-chief-signals-gmlrs-production-boost/



The DoD is working with Lockheed Martin to expand production capacity of Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) rockets for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS).

Speaking to CBS News on 4 September, Dr William LaPlante, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition & Sustainment, said that GMLRS output capacity has to ‘at least double’, although he gave no timeframe.

Lockheed Martin COO Frank St John said the company currently produces about 7,500 rockets per year but it can go higher.

‘We have capacity to produce 10,000 rockets a year’ for US and export customers such as Ukraine, St John told CBS News, adding that Lockheed Martin is conducting analysis to ‘potentially take that up to 12,000-14,000 rockets a year’.

LaPlante said that an expanded production rate can be sustained ‘as long as the demand is needed… We can keep production lines open for 30 years.’


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/11/17/uk-bae-artillery-shell-production/

The UK government has asked BAE Systems to increase artillery shell production to replenish dwindling stocks due to its supply to Ukraine, The Telegraph has reported.

London has issued a letter of intent to the British defense company, conveying that an order is imminent.

The message gives the company confidence to start constructing new production lines.



September, US:
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-ramp-up-production-artillery-shells-rockets/

The Army plans to dramatically accelerate the production of 155mm artillery shells and precision-guided rockets to make up for all the munitions that the United States has provided to Ukraine, said Doug Bush, assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics and technology. The US military needs a lot more artillery shells, rockets, and missiles for the next war


“We are seeking over a couple of years to nearly triple our production of 155 [mm shells],” Bush said on Wednesday. Congress has been supportive; we have funding; we are executing and making that happen. We are also, through support from Congress, working to dramatically increase our production rate for GLMRS missiles – Guided MLRS [Multiple Launch Rocket System], HIMARS [High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems] launchers – in most cases doubling or more than doubling current production rates.”



Javelin:
https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/news/2022/10/10/ramping-up-javelin-production-to-support-increased-demands

In May and again in September 2022, the Javelin Joint Venture was awarded production contracts for Javelin rounds and support. More than 3,100 of the missiles procured will go toward replacing systems sent to Ukraine.

To meet this new demand, Lockheed Martin is increasing the missile production rate beyond the current 2,100 per year to nearly 4,000 per year.

To increase production to nearly 4,000 per year, Lockheed Martin is ramping up production on its already-active manufacturing line and with Javelin’s supply chain partners. Lockheed Martin is also investing in accelerating the long-lead supply chain parts and equipment needed to support higher rates of production and speed delivery to our customers.

Several large investment projects will also go toward upgrading equipment and tooling to increase manufacturing efficiency and reduce production down time. Additional staff are also being hired to the Javelin production line as well as up and down the supply chain to help reach the new max output rate.

“The production and workforce investments we’re making now will allow us to rapidly deliver this critical capability to our customers. The Javelin Joint Venture is committed to meeting this increase in demand,” says Dave Pantano, Javelin Joint Venture vice president and Lockheed Martin Javelin program director. “We’re working closely with the U.S. Army to meet this new demand and support customer readiness worldwide.”

Likewise, Raytheon Missiles & Defense is keenly focused on accelerating production rates and lowering lead times to support demand.






On a side note. We have enough anti-ship missiles to sink every ship in the world, and they told us to triple production of some models like LRASM.

For those interested in procurement and contracts to see that kind of news this site is useful, because I found they would post stuff a day after I was informed of some things at the plant I worked at.

https://www.spacewar.com/
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We are NOT just sending old shit from the 80's and 90's. Yes, those HARM missiles had the '91 inspection date but have been maintained and updated according to our RME's.

We have been sending a lot of Stingers that we havnt made for almost 2 decades and have limited stock. New production is set to start but will take years.

I think one of the biggest issues is with the 155mm ammo. We did not have enough. We have been de-milling other ordinance for stupid reasons (FBHO). We have been in the process of changing over some types so they have been de-milling the old stock (which is mostly what we have been sending) BEFORE we have ramped up the new stuff. So we are sending the "old" before the new stuff arrives.

As for the HIMARS, I dont think the actual trucks/launchers are the problem but rather the ammo. Sure we have 500 launchers and have only sent 12 or 20. But we are sending the ammo for a hundred launchers because the UA needs that capacity desperately.

This is NOT to argue limiting the aid to Ukraine. We should send MORE! But we cannot be stupid and assume we have stockpiles all filled up all over. FBHO left the shelves bare and now his sock puppet Xiden is there probably doing what China is telling him to do.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

Put your bingo card away. You didn't win. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Maybe apples to basketballs.

It's a big difference between building a HIMARS system and building ammo for it to shoot. Ask me how I know. It'd be from trying to build military aircraft, including F-22's, vs building what they poop out of their hatches.

I won't argue that we've let shit slip as far as our manufacturing goes...but I'll happily contest the idea that we can't build ammo as fast as we can build complex platforms to launch it.
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:
Originally Posted By CenterMass762:


100 systems fire five times as many rockets. I bet that's a big part of the reason.


Bingo. The bottleneck isn't the launcher it's the ammunition, and that's why I think we should be doing the war footing for domestic production model. We actually are really shitty as a military at keeping enough precision guided munitions on hand for certain systems. Frankly we need to exercise that production surge capability.

Put your bingo card away. You didn't win. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Maybe apples to basketballs.

It's a big difference between building a HIMARS system and building ammo for it to shoot. Ask me how I know. It'd be from trying to build military aircraft, including F-22's, vs building what they poop out of their hatches.

I won't argue that we've let shit slip as far as our manufacturing goes...but I'll happily contest the idea that we can't build ammo as fast as we can build complex platforms to launch it.


The launchers aren't expendable so of course the bottleneck is the ammo. If we build rockets as fast as the launchers, we get, what, 96 rockets a year at full capacity? I think I'm missing your point here. Nobody is saying we can't build 96 rockets per year.

200 rockets a day lasts hell of a lot longer than 1200 a day. It's pretty simple reasoning.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:18:04 AM EDT
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Since it's confirmed that older Brimstone 1 and 2 missiles are being sent to Ukraine, here is basically everything you might want to read about it here, including the current Brimstone 3 stuff.

Includes tons of videos and diagrams.
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/11/brimstone-guided-missile/



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Russian source:

Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:25:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Soldier found a newborn puppy near a stream.

Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:26:28 AM EDT
[#34]
Nightmare drones from ELBIT Israel.   Neat.

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[#35]



Right bank Kherson getting shelled by left bank.

Explosions are heard in the city
https://t.me/hueviyherson/29623

Smoke rises, pre-mortars UPD subscribers report that it looks more like "Grady" Any other information?
https://t.me/hueviyherson/29624

Explosions in Kherson again! Today the city is under massive artillery fire from the orcs from the left bank of the Dnieper.
https://t.me/hueviyherson/29627

Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:41:41 AM EDT
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Volgograd is renamed Stalingrad again. Which makes perfect sense as Russia rolls back to Stalinism.

https://aseanarchitectcouncil.org/volgograd-was-renamed-stalingrad-again/
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:44:55 AM EDT
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From a few pages back someone posted a drone dropped incendiary/Molotov. I wonder how effective versus a explosive like a VOG is on Russians hiding in their little foxholes.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:48:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Volgorad is renamed Stalingrad again. Which makes perfect sense as Russia rolls back to Stalinism.

https://aseanarchitectcouncil.org/volgograd-was-renamed-stalingrad-again/
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This is a regular one-day memorial/symbolic thing, not a permanent change. Has gone on a long while IIRC.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 10:50:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Nightmare drones from ELBIT Israel.   Neat.

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Yo, We heard you like drones... We put drones on your drones...
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Originally Posted By klinc:


Yo, We heard you like drones... We put drones on your drones...
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Originally Posted By klinc:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Nightmare drones from ELBIT Israel.   Neat.



Yo, We heard you like drones... We put drones on your drones...


lol
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:01:55 AM EDT
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In light of the kidnapped critter:



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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


My first thought here was maybe Russia was seeing if the X-55 could penetrate the airspace to its intended target without wasting a nuclear warhead to find out.  A dry run.    If they were to use a nuclear equipped cruise missile, using it during a swarm attack of conventional missiles would give it an extra chance of making it to the target.
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Originally Posted By Prime:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh1AzWHWYAITfXd?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh1JUH_WAAEBASb?format=jpg&name=900x900


This possibly says quite a bit about:

1) Inventory status of conventional missiles
2) Inventory status of fully functional nuclear warheads
3) Relative value of nuclear delivery vehicles

I have wondered how to get a handle on their declining missile inventory status, and also what their progression to other tactics will be when that gets genuinely dire.



My first thought here was maybe Russia was seeing if the X-55 could penetrate the airspace to its intended target without wasting a nuclear warhead to find out.  A dry run.    If they were to use a nuclear equipped cruise missile, using it during a swarm attack of conventional missiles would give it an extra chance of making it to the target.



I think this is extremely likely- IF intelligent minds are actually in charge somewhere in Russia still.  

Otherwise, Occam's Razor would work for me: they are running out of conventional missile stocks and are using whatever missile bodies they can load.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:07:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
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Have you even seen how shitty and trashed Russians leave every encampment, town or city they have occupied? Trash panda has been transplanted to trash panda heaven.

All of Russia is one giant trash can with the lid left off.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:11:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hking:
From a few pages back someone posted a drone dropped incendiary/Molotov. I wonder how effective versus a explosive like a VOG is on Russians hiding in their little foxholes.
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I imagine less physically effective/reliable but even more psychologically effective, especially on video.

They should be very effective though on targeting supply trucks if located.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:12:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Since it's confirmed that older Brimstone 1 and 2 missiles are being sent to Ukraine, here is basically everything you might want to read about it here, including the current Brimstone 3 stuff.

Includes tons of videos and diagrams.
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/11/brimstone-guided-missile/

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2022/10/Brimstone-Point-Attack-892x321.png.webp
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2022/10/Brimstone-3-Warhead-1-892x516.png.webp
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Interesting, looks like a Hellfire, though I'm sure that's superficial.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:13:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
if democrats didn't steal the 2020 election this would have never happened
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Originally Posted By strykr:

Ukraine will either become part of NATO or develop its own nuclear weapons. The knowledge is there and so is the motivation. Russia cannot take Ukraine by force.


If UA never  gave up its own nukes circa 1991, this war would have never occurred.
if democrats didn't steal the 2020 election this would have never happened


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Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:13:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


Interesting, looks like a Hellfire, though I'm sure that's superficial.
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Since it's confirmed that older Brimstone 1 and 2 missiles are being sent to Ukraine, here is basically everything you might want to read about it here, including the current Brimstone 3 stuff.

Includes tons of videos and diagrams.
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2022/11/brimstone-guided-missile/

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2022/10/Brimstone-Point-Attack-892x321.png.webp
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2022/10/Brimstone-3-Warhead-1-892x516.png.webp


Interesting, looks like a Hellfire, though I'm sure that's superficial.


It is derived from the Hellfire, but got seriously souped up.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:14:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hking:
From a few pages back someone posted a drone dropped incendiary/Molotov. I wonder how effective versus a explosive like a VOG is on Russians hiding in their little foxholes.
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I saw a vid yesterday from the Kherson airport. The Orcs dug in all over. One hole had what looked like a piece of aluminum airfreight container in it. It had a wooden roof topped with soil. It had been burned. Wood was burned. Aluminum melted. But no apparent cratering. Must have been hit with some incinderary device. I know I can't spell.
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 11:15:51 AM EDT
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Estimated guided Russian weapons left as of November 18th.

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