It says it's been moved, but the link just takes me to the Community page. What gives?


This is now the active "shit (might be) is definitely happening in Ukraine" thread.

News links, thanks to BerettaGuy:


Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise.

New news link c/o berettaguy:

Ukrainian Pravda
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/

Stop fake, anti - disinformation site:
https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/

I've derailed this thread enough with gibberish about the power system and infrastructure. I know less about bourbon than I do about chili.

Speaking of bourbon, racoon chili, Toilet Duck, and antifreeze, we joke ENDLESSLY about the RU forces being drunk.

The complete lack of reaction to the grenades in multiple videos makes me think it's true.

Step 1: Drink heavily while digging hole, comrade.
Step 2: Drink more.
Step 3: Sleep off in hole.

It would explain a LOT of those videos. No overhead cover, no reaction, sometimes even no reaction AFTER.

It's an interesting position, there have been numerous articles about potential shortages of critical weapons and the slow pace of reloading those magazines.   The only way to prove it is to cite TMR numbers, which no one would be stupid enough to do, hence it can not be true because the only way you can confirm or deny those articles is to cite from something that is secret.  

Somewhat. Lots of smart young folks left. Lots and lots of talent has abandoned russia, and it should have an effect on the cyber side. They are sending troops from the nuke side to the front lines, as well as their trainers. Their military has no morale. Those making the decisions are more retarded than ours are. Both sides are ass kissing grafters.
They will end up with dirty bombs attached to iffy rockets.

PRC plays the long game, they're watching this war and assessing their own capabilities and planning on filling any gaps. They won't make a move until they are assured of victory.

In my simple opinion, the US and allies have spent trillions in defense against the soviet block and now Russia

To spend a few hundred billion to finally destroy this evil is well worth it.

The chicoms also come to mind and Taipei would become another Ukraine, worth every penny spent if they attack. The chicoms have an even worse scenario, crossing 180 km of ocean.
chicom airborne is only so good until ship reinforcements arrive. Davies locker tells no tales

We can offset any potential move up of the Chinese timetable by arming Taiwan now. Patriot batteries, sea mines, starlinks whatever, tunnel into the mountains like Switzerland, mine tge beaches, store m1s and Bradley’s in sealed caves. Sell them mucho fighters. We don’t for political reasons again. Same formula same result.

Ukraine has nothing to do with it other than a possibly repeated failure of Foreign policy. We either go all in or better not play at all. Our enemies don’t play by the same rules. If chinas going to invade, it’s a decision they have made already. They might delay or expedite but it’s decided. I saw Russia coming for Ukraine way before 2014. We basically signaled “meh” which only encouraged it.

Sorry to hear that!

I would have hoped Eastern Europe would have had more of those to donate (maybe they will find some?)

I’ve posted this before:  

This version of the 30mm VOG-17 is meant for a Russian belt fed full auto grenade launcher.  The Ukrainians discard the steel case and propelling charge to save weight, and they add 3D printed fins for drone drop duty.

But there is another version of the VOG-17:




Obviously this version isn’t suitable for grenade launcher use, but rather, it meant to be thrown.  

The Ukrainians also modify and drop both US and Ruskie impact-detonating 40mm grenades, modified for the purpose.

Yep. If the US dropped off a few squadrons of fighters and assoc equipment, along with Patriot, Land-based Anti-ship missiles, ATGMs and other assoc small arms to Taiwan and only announced it after the fact, the calculus would change very rapidly for the PRC.

Transparency is only a valid play when you can trust the other players to do the same.

I believe they are made from the ERA panels off the tanks.

It would take a bit more work to use a piece of tank armor

What’s been spent so far seems a bargain compared to the $20 Trillion + spent during the Cold War.

Not supporting Ukraine at this point would be completely foolish; it would pale in comparison to Biden’s abandonment of Afghanistan.

I am sure there is plenty of hollowed out rock on Taiwan. Nobody here is saying much about it, but the Korean peninsula is going to get pretty spicy if china kicks things off. That will suck big time for everyone but the norks.
I will stop thread sliding now. Sorry everyone.

BTW- the debate going on is head and shoulders above “social media” discourse anywhere else.

It’s a passionate debate, and people are making actual arguments. Some jabs here and there to keep the corner judges busy with super glue and q-tips!  

We’re all probably rusty. We used to have such debates in daily life… the olden days.

Still the best forum, in all our books!

HoW dArE yOu!!!!!

Ukrainian drone carrying a gasoline bomb.













Ukraine Gets 800 Taiwan-Made ‘Carpet Bomber’ Revolver 860 Combat Drones



The Revolver 860 is a VTOL combat drone with four arms and eight rotors. Its weapons bay (a barillet, hence its name of ”revolver”) can carry up to eight 60mm mortar shells

Yeah all the VOG ammo is in very short supply and I’m not sure anyone makes it other than Serbia and Russia or something. 40mm HEDP is used but it’s not as good (compromise round) for Anti personnel as you cutaway shows. They are starting to manufacture stuff 3-D, but it’s a huge army with three lines of supply, one for the territorial guys (whatever they can get) for example the rapira is still a primary anti tank gun in many units. They will have some RPGs and panzerfausts (much loved) and NLAWs but generally those are kept at the company CP and distributed as needed. Grenades are everywhere. Same with NG troops. The regular army pulls better stuff unless they are in Bakhmut where supplies were stored for years, SSO and Airborne has better pickings generally but it’s such a plethora of stuff from so many places it really depends where your at. I can say that Vogs are low low so much so you’ll rarely see gps on Aks or AGLS used anymore. Same with the Hydra 82mm mortar thing . They might capture some and use it till they run out but the Soviet stuff is running low in some cases. Whole depots of that stuff is being accumulated. They make 40mm there but it’s low production, they even have a cool light weight 40mm mk19 AgLS machine gun domestically designed and manufactured but last I heard maybe 100 had been made. That was pre war so I’m not sure now. Same with ARs, they make good ones Zbroyar but not enough to really matter.

I say, any of you gents up for a fun filled evening of shuttle cock!

Russian forces were suffering from 'electronic fratricide' within days of attacking Ukraine, a new report says

In the first days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Russian jamming disrupted Ukraine's air-defense radars and communications links. The problem for Russian forces is that their electronic warfare also jammed their own communications.

This "electronic fratricide" became so acute that Russian troops had to stop disrupting Ukrainian communications, according to a study by the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.

By the end of the first week of the invasion, Russian ground forces being unable to effectively communicate "became a greater threat to the Russian operation than Ukrainian [surface-to-air missile] systems, so their electronic warfare assets began to greatly scale back their operations after the first two days," the RUSI report says.

Initially, Russia's jamming offensive was devastating and validated Moscow's heavy investment in electronic warfare. For years, the Pentagon has worried it lags far behind Russia in electronic-warfare capabilities, which could disrupt the extensive communications networks that enable the US military to fight in a coordinated fashion.

Generally, Russian electronic-warfare systems "have actually proven extremely effective," Nick Reynolds, a coauthor of the RUSI study, told Insider, and Russia's initial onslaught in Ukraine seemed to bear out the Pentagon's fears.

"During the first week of the invasion, Russian electronic warfare using jamming equipment and E-96M aerial decoys were highly effective in disrupting" Ukraine's ground-based air-defense systems, the RUSI report says.

Russian jamming severely disrupted Ukrainian S-300 and SA-11 surface-to-air-missile batteries north of Kyiv. Russia also launched extensive ballistic- and cruise-missile strikes on Ukraine's long-range radars and anti-aircraft batteries.

The combined effect was Ukraine's ground-based air defenses were hit so hard that its badly outnumbered fleet of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters had to take primary responsibility for protecting the country's skies.

But as Russia's advance began to bog down, Russian troops discovered that they had "no coherent communications plan," according to the RUSI report.

Russian units lacked trained radio operators and encryption keys to decipher coded communications. Some radios had cheap Chinese-made components that left them vulnerable to Ukrainian jamming. Russian mobile air-defense units — which were supposed to keep up with the armored columns — were also hampered by poor communications.

The result was that Russia's electronic offensive boomeranged.

"The electronic warfare capabilities that had been initially very effective in degrading Ukrainian SAM systems were also causing serious electronic fratricide problems and thus compounding an increasingly critical communications breakdown among Russian ground force elements," the RUSI report says.

Not surprisingly, Russia cut back on electronic warfare after the first two days of the war. "This allowed newly relocated Ukrainian SAM systems to regain much of their effectiveness, although it took time to repair or adapt to much of the damage to key radar systems for early warning and long-range missile guidance," the report says.

"In the first week of March, however, Ukrainian SAMs began to inflict significant losses on Russian attack sorties," the report added.

Nonetheless, the ultimate failure of Russia's jamming campaign wasn't the technical quality of Russian jammers. Moscow's electronic offensive fizzled for the same reasons that the ground offensive bogged down.

Poor planning, lack of coordination, and a general indifference by Russian commanders toward getting the details right doomed what many thought would be easy advance on Kyiv.

Strangely, despite otherwise impressive EW capabilities, Russian communications security has also been atrocious, including instances of Russian soldiers using unencrypted cell phones for battlefield communications, allowing Ukrainian intelligence and foreign powers to eavesdrop.

The role of jamming in Ukraine reflects the growing importance of the electromagnetic spectrum for modern conflict. Using radio signals, infrared sensing, and radar to track foes and communicate with friendly forces is vital to combined-arms warfare.

I say bill, bribe, or steal it from who caused this. Russia.

At Kategota spot the coolness. Sorry had to pull it

Yeah, R0N is losing me.  I thought it was due to the improper use and lack of Himars rockets since he mentioned he has special intel, which I could understand . Then it was a fear of a void/vacuum if Putin left. I’m starting to see he has different issues now. I asked for ideas a 1000 pages back along with others and we’ll, I haven’t read of any ideas yet from R0N

I must've missed something.

Agreed. As long as we keep it civil and fact based I don't mind the debates. It's went it ceases to be either that it needs to be shut down.  It's ok to disagree - in fact I'd say that's the American way.

Let's here it for the cheer squad

Fucken Viktor Bacsi is doing another consultation from the people in regards to the war.


Tisztelt Hölgyem/Uram!
A brüsszeli szankciókról szóló konzultáció már az interneten is kitölthető. Olyan kérdésekről van szó, amelyek mindannyiunk életét érintik.
Brüsszelben azt ígérték, hogy a szankciók véget vetnek a háborúnak. A háborúnak azonban nem lett vége, az energiaárak viszont elszálltak, drágulnak az élelmiszerek, az infláció évtizedek óta nem látott szintre emelkedett. Az egyértelmű következmények ellenére újabb szankciókat akarnak elfogadtatni.
Elítéljük Oroszország katonai agresszióját, segítjük az Ukrajnából érkező menekülteket, de nem engedhetjük, hogy a szankciók maguk alá temessék Magyarország, sőt, egész Európa gazdaságát.
Irányváltásra van szükség. Ha sokan veszünk részt a konzultációban, akkor ezt el is tudjuk érni. Ezért arra kérjük, mondja el Ön is véleményét!
A konzultációs kérdőívet az alábbi linken éri el:
nemzetikonzultacio.kormany.hu

Tisztelettel:
Kormányzati Tájékoztatási Központ

Dear Sir / Madam!
The consultation on Brussels sanctions can already be completed online. These are issues that affect the lives of all of us.
In Brussels, they promised that the sanctions would end the war. However, the war is not over, energy prices have skyrocketed, food prices are rising, and inflation has risen to a level not seen for decades. Despite the clear consequences, they want to have new sanctions accepted.
We condemn Russia's military aggression, we help the refugees coming from Ukraine, but we cannot allow the sanctions to bury the economy of Hungary, or even the whole of Europe.
A change of direction is needed. If many of us participate in the consultation, we can achieve this. Therefore, please tell us your opinion!
You can access the consultation questionnaire at the following link:
mezmetkonzultacio.kormany.hu

Basically, because of sanctions everyone is suffering blah blah blah blah and that it's time Hungary pushes for the end of sanctions.

I told my kepviselo under no circumstances do we stop sanctions. I showed her a picture of my great grandfather and grandfather and how they were murdered by the fucken Orcs in 1958. They were sprayed with cold icy water in a freezing jail cell until they were both frozen.

Fuck that entire country. My kepviselo( representative to the Hungarian parliament) told me that destroying Orckyland will not bring back my family. I said no...but it will prevent it from ever happening again to Hungary if we destroy Orckyland NOW and TODAY.