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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 7:46:28 PM EDT
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Spook page
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Posted: 11/20/2022 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Doing more attacks on Russian air defense today.
So those harm missiles were made com bloc compatible I take it? |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:03:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: So those harm missiles were made com bloc compatible I take it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Doing more attacks on Russian air defense today.
So those harm missiles were made com bloc compatible I take it? Yea, they put them on Mig-29's. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Interesting background, would also love to hear your stories. Wouldn’t it make sense they were all shot in the head? (The MG is in front of them and they’re head is the cross section facing the MG). Granted we don’t know where the entrance wound is. Jesus yinz got me breaking it down too. Ok I’m done after this post :-) No. Making 10-12 headshots with a beltfed, in the prone, while getting blitzed by the idiot who refused to surrender would be...unlikely. The first few guys closest to the gunner would be more messy. Also, hitting a head wearing a helmet with a 7.62x54 would look more dramatic then we are seeing in the photo. The scene "looks" like the RU guys were shot in place and were not struggling, running, trying to get up. Again that is unlikely for some RU bushwhack maneuver. It "looks" like they were killed after the initial shootout with the fake surrender asshole. I'm NOT making a value judgement on the scene. War is hell. Anyway, all I have is the choppy video and the still photos of the dead Russians after the fact and I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: LoL, good one. And bonus points for casual usage of "siloviki" in conversation. Haven't seen or heard that in years. ;) Prior to the wars start, Zeihan used it frequently in his analysis leading up to its start. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russian who refused to fight was arrested - mass arrests have begun in the Russian army  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJCMPMC6b1MThey'll get a second chance when Wagner comes to recruit.  |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: https://i.redd.it/w70c38pc121a1.jpg Looks like the stuff we issued the Iraqi Army starting in the mid-2000s. Either it was black-market acquisition through Iranian sources OR was captured from Daesh in Syria. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: They'll get a second chance when Wagner comes to recruit. Plus they might actually get paid then. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:49:43 PM EDT
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The guys left and center look like they have a Middle Eastern look to their eyes and nose to me. Anyone recognize the patch? I looked with both google and yandex but couldn’t find a match.
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:09:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Ah. The TLDW version is that putin is not looking for an off ramp. He is looking for a weakness on the Ukranian side that he can exploit to force Ukrainian to negotiate. If the west attempts to give putin an off ramp, he sees that as confirmation that the resolve of the west is cracking and gives him reason to continue the course. So the proper tactic is to convince him the will of Ukraine and the west is like a piece of iron and if he doesn't find his own off ramp he is going to regret it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Ah. The TLDW version is that putin is not looking for an off ramp. He is looking for a weakness on the Ukranian side that he can exploit to force Ukrainian to negotiate. If the west attempts to give putin an off ramp, he sees that as confirmation that the resolve of the west is cracking and gives him reason to continue the course. So the proper tactic is to convince him the will of Ukraine and the west is like a piece of iron and if he doesn't find his own off ramp he is going to regret it. The only way out is through. For the middle few months, I was in the naive camp that Russia would rationalize that the odds were stacked too much against them, and simply want to get out and save face. I’ve learned to look at Russia as behaving more like medieval or bronze age kingdoms, complete with spoils of war, war brides, kidnapping, and brutality towards the population. Russia isn’t 100 years behind in ethics and behavior, but 1,000. So, the only way to defeat them is as you would defeat a foe from the dark ages. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:16:08 PM EDT
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"Mozart" is approaching line of contact with "Wagner".
American mercenaries from the PMC "Mozart" against the group "Wagner": a colonel of the US Marine Corps founded his own PMC, naming it after the Austrian composer. Retired US Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn was seen in Bakhmut, where he helps Ukrainian admirers of the Austrian artist. PMC "Wagner", which Milburn calls his adversary, is actively operating in the Bakhmut direction. https://t.me/vorposte/30898 
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NV, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh7r9u5XwAAaOvK?format=jpg&name=medium I wonder if HIMARS can shoot the South Korean K239 Chunmoo ammo that Poland is planning to buy? Reportedly they may get upwards of 23,000 rockets of various types from SK for their K239 launchers. It would be ideal if the ammo was cross compatible so they can get supply from both SK and USA for both of their launch systems. 
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russian who refused to fight was arrested - mass arrests have begun in the Russian army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJCMPMC6b1MLooks staged. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I wonder if HIMARS can shoot the South Korean K239 Chunmoo ammo that Poland is planning to buy? Reportedly they may get upwards of 23,000 rockets of various types from SK for their K239 launchers. It would be ideal if the ammo was cross compatible so they can get supply from both SK and USA for both of their launch systems. https://mblogthumb-phinf.pstatic.net/MjAxOTA4MjdfMjMy/MDAxNTY2ODQzNjQ0MTcx.o_LGXrQbDtiWRRFxzLDdXtql8VIt6yjGj4zrFPfAtOsg.49g5BiKIgjHno-WAsAaAZ27ZAeNdbfLqxHhUx7gaSvAg.JPEG.garth169/1.jpg?type=w2 The pods are the same, how interchangeable the missiles are has been a question. I expect that the fire control system would need to be programmed to allow it. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Just want to say I appreciate the time you're putting in informing us. Good stuff.  Happy to share what little expertise I have in areas. There are others on here in the same industry who know even more, I'm just a wordy bastard. Plus, I have learned amazing amounts of stuff here on ARFCOM. From how to assemble my own AR from parts, to 9mm>.45>.40, to the fact that your runny meat sauce can have beans in it if you're poor.
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The pods are the same, how interchangeable the missiles are has been a question. I expect that the fire control system would need to be programmed to allow it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I wonder if HIMARS can shoot the South Korean K239 Chunmoo ammo that Poland is planning to buy? Reportedly they may get upwards of 23,000 rockets of various types from SK for their K239 launchers. It would be ideal if the ammo was cross compatible so they can get supply from both SK and USA for both of their launch systems. https://mblogthumb-phinf.pstatic.net/MjAxOTA4MjdfMjMy/MDAxNTY2ODQzNjQ0MTcx.o_LGXrQbDtiWRRFxzLDdXtql8VIt6yjGj4zrFPfAtOsg.49g5BiKIgjHno-WAsAaAZ27ZAeNdbfLqxHhUx7gaSvAg.JPEG.garth169/1.jpg?type=w2 The pods are the same, how interchangeable the missiles are has been a question. I expect that the fire control system would need to be programmed to allow it. I don’t think there is a JCode associated with the munitions, so it would require a software build that supports the KMFOM. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I don’t think there is a JCode associated with the munitions, so it would require a software build that supports the KMFOM. Lockheed is deeply involved in the whole thing. If I were the Poles I would insist that both of my launchers have the ability to fire all the various munitions. Korean industry is on point, much faster than the US defense industry and that would be an important supply to be able to use. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Lockheed is deeply involved in the whole thing. If I were the Poles I would insist that both of my launchers have the ability to fire all the various munitions. Korean industry is on point, much faster than the US defense industry and that would be an important supply to be able to use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By R0N: I don't think there is a JCode associated with the munitions, so it would require a software build that supports the KMFOM. Lockheed is deeply involved in the whole thing. If I were the Poles I would insist that both of my launchers have the ability to fire all the various munitions. Korean industry is on point, much faster than the US defense industry and that would be an important supply to be able to use. Its probably a sticky note on someone's monitor somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:00:03 PM EDT
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:20:08 PM EDT
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I've missed a LOT of pages. Did Girkin ever react to his conviction for the airliner shootdown?
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:31:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I've missed a LOT of pages. Did Girkin ever react to his conviction for the airliner shootdown? Dunno about Girkin but the reaction was 'Dutch court is biased against Russia' Fully thing is NL wanted the UN to take up the case but Russia itself veto'ed the creation of a UN tribunal  It's like the GD bullshit artists complaining about the shelling of civillians by Ukraine before the war. Russia loged a complaint with the ECHR BUT becuase I know my shit it was obvious that that the complaint would not be admissible. Of course Russia didn't actually want a court case because that would entail all sorts of discovery and indipendant investigation. So those shitbirds submitted a case they knew would be rejected just to claim 'everybody is against poorz Russia' Shitbird move by a shitbird country, par for the copurse I guess |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:32:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Looks like the stuff we issued the Iraqi Army starting in the mid-2000s. Either it was black-market acquisition through Iranian sources OR was captured from Daesh in Syria. I think we gave out a LOT of that camo pattern in Iraq. Also, Iran loves to copy everything associated with ass-kicking America. So it could be either but I'm betting Iranian. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:34:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: "Mozart" is approaching line of contact with "Wagner".
American mercenaries from the PMC "Mozart" against the group "Wagner": a colonel of the US Marine Corps founded his own PMC, naming it after the Austrian composer. Retired US Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn was seen in Bakhmut, where he helps Ukrainian admirers of the Austrian artist. PMC "Wagner", which Milburn calls his adversary, is actively operating in the Bakhmut direction. https://t.me/vorposte/30898 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiApKNnWAAMXjX5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Today at my local 2-gun match I saw a salty looking dude wearing a sweatshirt with that Mozart logo. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:34:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:46:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Sorry but what was the nitter thing again?
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:53:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Sorry but what was the nitter thing again? Replace twitter.com with nitter.net There is one for reddit too, it's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone should be along with that one shortly. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 10:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Battlepuppy: Replace twitter.com with nitter.net There is one for reddit too, it's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone should be along with that one shortly. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:02:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:04:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: so, an empty .50 cal case can be used as a makeshift safety? 00:13 and 5:15 https://youtu.be/LdZ3VdXl-Lc]M2 gunner in combat Yes, very common, under the butterflies |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Thanks I could not remember the .net part If you are in Russia, use nitter.nyet |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Battlepuppy: Replace twitter.com with nitter.net There is one for reddit too, it's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone should be along with that one shortly. old in place of www |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:07:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: "Mozart" is approaching line of contact with "Wagner".
American mercenaries from the PMC "Mozart" against the group "Wagner": a colonel of the US Marine Corps founded his own PMC, naming it after the Austrian composer. Retired US Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn was seen in Bakhmut, where he helps Ukrainian admirers of the Austrian artist. PMC "Wagner", which Milburn calls his adversary, is actively operating in the Bakhmut direction. https://t.me/vorposte/30898 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiApKNnWAAMXjX5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:31:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: If you are in Russia, use nitter.nyet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Originally Posted By m35ben: Thanks I could not remember the .net part If you are in Russia, use nitter.nyet 
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Pretty much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/934569_PNG-2608350.png Pretty much. Lol. Typical winter driving here in MT. They'll be fine. Turn into the skid.
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:35:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: "Mozart" is approaching line of contact with "Wagner".
American mercenaries from the PMC "Mozart" against the group "Wagner": a colonel of the US Marine Corps founded his own PMC, naming it after the Austrian composer. Retired US Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn was seen in Bakhmut, where he helps Ukrainian admirers of the Austrian artist. PMC "Wagner", which Milburn calls his adversary, is actively operating in the Bakhmut direction. https://t.me/vorposte/30898 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiApKNnWAAMXjX5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Oh, this is definitely good news. Life is about to become hard for wagner and their "reputation". |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:40:01 PM EDT
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Russians phosphor bombing Berestove, video,
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/z0nm5h/f_ruzian_shooting_by_phosphor_bomb_to_ukrainian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote History Pretty much every logical argument that's been presented here across various threads (to mostly deaf ears), compiled into a single piece.
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:55:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/934569_PNG-2608350.png
They need tire chains. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:06:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Should have made a Liszt group. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Originally Posted By Prime: "Mozart" is approaching line of contact with "Wagner".
American mercenaries from the PMC "Mozart" against the group "Wagner": a colonel of the US Marine Corps founded his own PMC, naming it after the Austrian composer. Retired US Marine Colonel Andrew Milburn was seen in Bakhmut, where he helps Ukrainian admirers of the Austrian artist. PMC "Wagner", which Milburn calls his adversary, is actively operating in the Bakhmut direction. https://t.me/vorposte/30898 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiApKNnWAAMXjX5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 I think that would be a naval group. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:13:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockSix: Yes, very common, under the butterflies Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockSix: Originally Posted By doc540: so, an empty .50 cal case can be used as a makeshift safety? 00:13 and 5:15 https://youtu.be/LdZ3VdXl-Lc]M2 gunner in combat Yes, very common, under the butterflies Used to be mandatory. Now they have actual safeties, after only 100 years or so. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Oh, this is definitely good news. Life is about to become hard for wagner and their "reputation". Out of all the things that make me scratch my head about this whole situation Wagner having some reputation for being somehow "badasses" has to be the biggest one. We absolutely slaughtered the fuck out of those dudes in Syria all while taking zero casualties and then we matched their intercepted radio transmissions (where their noticeably drunk commanders are freaking out) up to the gun tape. How or why they're viewed as being on par with anything other than some middle eastern militia is absolutely beyond me. The whole organization is a cut rate shitshow from bottom to top. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:19:54 AM EDT
[#44]
The Maxim had grip safeties and spade grips already at the turn of the century.
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:34:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:44:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ludder093]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Out of all the things that make me scratch my head about this whole situation Wagner having some reputation for being somehow "badasses" has to be the biggest one. We absolutely slaughtered the fuck out of those dudes in Syria all while taking zero casualties and then we matched their intercepted radio transmissions (where their noticeably drunk commanders are freaking out) up to the gun tape. How or why they're viewed as being on par with anything other than some middle eastern militia is absolutely beyond me. The whole organization is a cut rate shitshow from bottom to top. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By stone-age: Oh, this is definitely good news. Life is about to become hard for wagner and their "reputation". Out of all the things that make me scratch my head about this whole situation Wagner having some reputation for being somehow "badasses" has to be the biggest one. We absolutely slaughtered the fuck out of those dudes in Syria all while taking zero casualties and then we matched their intercepted radio transmissions (where their noticeably drunk commanders are freaking out) up to the gun tape. How or why they're viewed as being on par with anything other than some middle eastern militia is absolutely beyond me. The whole organization is a cut rate shitshow from bottom to top. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 12:58:01 AM EDT
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IIRC: the Mozart group are all non- combatants. they are helping with supplies, medical aid and general relief for the Ukrainian people.
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Posted: 11/21/2022 1:05:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 11/21/2022 1:19:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2022 1:20:36 AM EDT
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