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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
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It says it's been moved, but the link just takes me to the Community page. What gives?


This is now the active "shit (might be) is definitely happening in Ukraine" thread.

News links, thanks to BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH

Kyiv Post

Ukrainian News

UKRInform

EUROMAIDEN PRESS

New Voice of Ukraine

Kyiv Independent

Ukraine World

InterFax Ukraine

UATV

Ukrainian Journal

Official Website of the President of Ukraine

Ukrainian Ministry of Defense

Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often.
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Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise.

New news link c/o berettaguy:

Ukrainian Pravda
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/

Stop fake, anti - disinformation site:
https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/
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Posted 3 hrs ago.



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Originally Posted By 1969iggy:

I agree with you 100%.  But if you are going to talk with someone who doesn't (and we all know someone who falls into that category) my point is don't be dismissive of their issue.  Nothing gets people into fight mode faster than telling them their problem isn't a problem, so agree with them that the border situation is terrible and that you agree there needs to be more done about it.  "I hope after Ukraine kicks Russia out of their country, we can get Dems to focus on the invasion at our southern border with the same level of effort they gave to Ukraine, wouldn't you like to see that?."  It's a statement that they have to agree with if they are in any way rational.  It doesn't require them to support the efforts in Ukraine, and helps filter the "Frustrated with problems that affect me personally" people from the wingnuts.  Just my opinion... but i have empathy for those who are being fucked in their own country by the very people paid to fix the problem that is being ignored (or actively enflamed).
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Originally Posted By ricko1:
If the US government had spent $0.00 on Ukraine how more would they have spent on the US/Mexico border? If you said anything other $0.00 you would be wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. It is a stupid argument. The government isn't doing anything about the Mexican border because of a lack of money. In my entire life I have never known the US government to not do what it wanted to due because of lack of money.

I agree with you 100%.  But if you are going to talk with someone who doesn't (and we all know someone who falls into that category) my point is don't be dismissive of their issue.  Nothing gets people into fight mode faster than telling them their problem isn't a problem, so agree with them that the border situation is terrible and that you agree there needs to be more done about it.  "I hope after Ukraine kicks Russia out of their country, we can get Dems to focus on the invasion at our southern border with the same level of effort they gave to Ukraine, wouldn't you like to see that?."  It's a statement that they have to agree with if they are in any way rational.  It doesn't require them to support the efforts in Ukraine, and helps filter the "Frustrated with problems that affect me personally" people from the wingnuts.  Just my opinion... but i have empathy for those who are being fucked in their own country by the very people paid to fix the problem that is being ignored (or actively enflamed).
My last post on this thread derailment topic......   For democrats and a majority of republican in government there is nothing wrong at the Mexican border. The democrats love it because not only does it give them more potential voters if they manage to get an amnesty bill pushed through the increase in population alone gives them a chance to pick up house seats in states they control. The republican have always been in favor of increasing the bottom line of their supporters with the cheap labor it provides.  For them there is no problem on the southern border for them to focus on.  
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HUH?

Did the "Russian opposition" slaughter 10k in Bucha?

Payback is a bitch.
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Originally Posted By 1969iggy:

If you know someone whose kid has died of a fentanyl overdose or been murdered by an MS-13 member, you might feel different.  As a matter of fact, it's an astoundingly easy argument to make that Ukraine vs Russia is far away with no real impact on my life, but open borders hurts me a real way every day.  Our border should be controlled, immigration should be controlled according to our laws.  Any other situation in your back yard means you have little patience for people spending money half a world away.  Again, not MY view, but i totally get that point of view.  If someone has it, you can't argue they are wrong on the border, only that supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do.  Some people will come on board, and others are too hyper focused on their back yard to agree to anything else until you fix their immediate concern.
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Strongly agree. True Americans should be sickened by hypocrisy. Add in the fact that all this is happening during the "pandemic" where SEAL's, cops, firefighters being fired for refusing the vaxx, kids are forced to run track wearing a mask or forced to stay home, all while millions of illegals are allowed in, no vaxx, no mask, no bs and bused or flown free to their US city of choice.

Until 60% of the new dnc illegal voters vote Republican, this hypocrisy will continue. I cant wait for the lefty reaction when the liberated Ukraine announces they stand for borders, language, culture...
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
More video of the Ukrainian ATGM attack, looks like they got a few more than the BMP-3.

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They are Working that road.
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Originally Posted By kncook:


I’m sure Belarus, Iran, Norks, and Venezuela will come to Russias aid.
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So what is the world going to do when Russia falls and china annexes eastern Russia?


I’m sure Belarus, Iran, Norks, and Venezuela will come to Russias aid.

Don’t forget Gabon
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Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO:


Isn't it interesting how someone fighting with our steadfast ally Ukraine is talking about shooting US citizens in a "turkey shoot"?

I hope this is just some leftie bastard and not indicative of their feelings in general.

Seriously, WTF is that all about?
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By doc540:
Here's a link to the whole blog of American volunteer transcripts:

American Volunteer


"The following are a series of social media interactions with an American serving in a volunteer, unpaid capacity on the front line in Ukraine. I have never met him, but we have conversed on Twitter for probably five or more years."

"I don’t think the volunteer needs much of an introduction. In an attempt to maintain his anonymity, I have edited out personal details. There are some details that unfold in the transcript, and some inferences about his background can be made. One of them is that this is not his first war, nor his second."



I’ve been reading some of those… after this passage, I think I know who the soldier is…

Nobody here is worried about facing Russian prisoners in combat. In fact, it is a bit of a macabre joke. It is kinda the same if we had to face American right-wing would-be commandos. Turkey shoot.


https://ukrainevolunteer297689472.wordpress.com/2022/09/16/the-girl-with-the-crazy-hair-would-i-think-give-me-a-thumbs-up/


Isn't it interesting how someone fighting with our steadfast ally Ukraine is talking about shooting US citizens in a "turkey shoot"?

I hope this is just some leftie bastard and not indicative of their feelings in general.

Seriously, WTF is that all about?



I wondered the same thing.

Against Antifa/BLM LARPers, sure- that'd be a turkey shoot (for the most part).  

...but against patriotic conservatives who have had decades, and even generations, of gun/combat proficiency instilled in them?  

Yeah, something's not right in that thinking.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Loading mortars on a flying giant drone bomber.

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I couldnt help but think of the Battle of the Atlantic, where the British Scientists told the RN to paint their planes white and grey.
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Here's something interesting: Michael Kofman commented a few days ago on Russia's interventions in Syria and Ukraine in 2014 on War on the Rocks. Essentially, he argued that Putin has a habit of procrastinating heavily when it comes to making important decisions. In the past, he's been able to pull workable solutions out of his ass at the last minute. Things would've inevitably turned out better had he been more proactive with his decision making, but they still turned out well enough that he got away with it.

I don't know how much legitimacy this argument has as I'm not a Kremlin insider, but it honestly makes a ton of sense. Consider what's happened thus far during this war: Putin's decision making seems to be very chaotic and any rational decisions he makes seem to come too late. Mobilization is a perfect example.
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Drone gives a victory wiggle.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
lol, now the real stuff is coming.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeEOPI3WIAMsuMj?format=png&name=small
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This may have something to do withose Islanders in the south.
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Fascinating stuff. Estonia really sent some useful equipment!

Ukraine Deploying Estonian PK-14 Directional Mines
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Pretty powerful statement!
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

Ummm that's a lot of Islanders!
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Originally Posted By Prime:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd_aREQXoAIUYlP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096


Iskanders en route to Kherson

Ummm that's a lot of Islanders!


Yep..he's sending a message
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And that's the great thing about the west



We can continue to have discussions and disagreements.like that.
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Never get drunk and tap-dance in a minefield…  and other interesting vids.

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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Yep..he's sending a message
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Originally Posted By stgdz:
Originally Posted By Prime:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd_aREQXoAIUYlP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096


Iskanders en route to Kherson

Ummm that's a lot of Islanders!


Yep..he's sending a message

Can they hit mykoliv, Kherson, and Odessa from Crimea?


I feel like this may be a dare for.the us to send atacms.and cross that red line.
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Lol

Merica forgets life's cheap in the other 87% of the world.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

What a bunch of clowns. They should stick withmaking gay porn.
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How do we know for sure that isn't gay porn?
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Originally Posted By Capta:

I would bet a significant sum of money that a lot of those stiffs were walking down some street in Russia a week ago.
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The same people who made the choice to allow/encourage their government to murder and rape another nation for their pride. The same actual people.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

What a bunch of clowns. They should stick withmaking gay porn.
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Looks to be plenty of cocksucking in that.
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

This may have something to do withose Islanders in the south.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
lol, now the real stuff is coming.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeEOPI3WIAMsuMj?format=png&name=small

This may have something to do withose Islanders in the south.

Nope, they’re rolling out the EM-50.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
lol, now the real stuff is coming.



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Every single new piece of gear Russia sends to Ukraine ends up having examples destroyed and/or captured within days. Pretty sure the US Mil & CIA has pretty much ALL Russian top tech by now.
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Mmmm wunderwaffen?
Maybe they should strive for boots and an IFAK.
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There's a pun in there about uranus and Russia but I'm not touching it.
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It's not a derail.

Ukraine has been successful *directly* because of the material and intelligence support the US has given them.  

The support the US has given them is *directly* because of political decision-making.  

Discussing the how and why of that decision making is just as relevant as talking about stuff like how HIMARS and ATACMS works (and is working, where applicable).
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

So they’re militant moderates?

That’s a contradiction in terms.  You serious, Clark?

Where do people get this shit?

“Extremist middle of the road organization”… holy shit.
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If ALL you ever learned about antifa was by watching msnbc, you may possibly come to that conclusion.

*They are the shock troops of the global communist revolution, which is ironically much more fascist than communist (just like Russia/USSR).
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

lol, never saw the Ukrainian car wash video yet in this compilation.



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I can confirm, Ukrainians dance, a lot.
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:


It's not a derail.

Ukraine has been successful *directly* because of the material and intelligence support the US has given them.  

The support the US has given them is *directly* because of political decision-making.  

Discussing the how and why of that decision making is just as relevant as talking about stuff like how HIMARS and ATACMS works (and is working, where applicable).
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:


It's not a derail.

Ukraine has been successful *directly* because of the material and intelligence support the US has given them.  

The support the US has given them is *directly* because of political decision-making.  

Discussing the how and why of that decision making is just as relevant as talking about stuff like how HIMARS and ATACMS works (and is working, where applicable).

What was posted is a false dichotomy and has been beaten to death. If you guys want to keep discussing it, create a new thread.

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Originally Posted By Prime:
Kazan, Republic of Tatarstan


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A good example of the problem and the solution.

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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

That's just dead? So total loses are close to 200k?
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Originally Posted By Schmigs:

That's just dead? So total loses are close to 200k?

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Early on when Bucha happened. "That's all fake propaganda by the West. Our guys wouldn't do that."
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It fucking ALWAYS their response.
"We never attack anybody, we are a peaceful people."
"We only fight when we are attacked first, but we win the fight."
"Other countries are actually part of russia."
"Other countries are jealous of the russian spirit."
"The west creates fake news to make us look bad."
"The west is trying to conquer russia but they are not able to."
"Everybody wants to destroy russia because they are jealous."
"Other countries attack their own citizens then blame it on us."
"Russia is the only country willing to fight nazis."
"Ukraine was about to attack us."   <<<<<WTF!
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Link to channel? @AROKIE
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Ah. I thought I was the only one thinking that.
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Sounds like they’re ripe for another revolution comrade! Proletariat vs bourgeoisie.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Almost looks like a TOW, and they waited until everyone was in the vehicle and it drove off to make it compete in the turret toss.  Wow.
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Almost looks like a TOW, and they waited until everyone was in the vehicle and it drove off to make it compete in the turret toss.  Wow.


That's why I say man, nice shot
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