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Posted: 3/13/2006 8:40:34 AM EDT
Go to the link...read the article, and some of the others posted there.....then come back here and give your opinion....in other words...What say you, Arfcommers? Is now the time to reconstitute our several Militias in the States, to do what the Federal government and our State governments have refused to do?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd174.htm http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty135.htm _______________________________________________________________________________________ "Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams |
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the concept of the state militias in any fighting force sense is long dead. The first inkling that an offense force was taking arms inside the USA against the US gov it would be destroyed so quickly they would never know what hit them. the militia is a great concept and as a weapon of last resort after the standing military has been defeated is a good resource. today we have the active military, the reserves,national guard, and state defense forces, along with local LE. |
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Interesting article! Why do you think the .gov and their media lackeys have been on a 20 year long campaign to malign and misconstrue the true meaning of Militia? I'd give you odds that at least 95% of the American populus believes that Militia members are looney right-wing redneck enemies of the state, that will kill them at the drop of a hat!
Things being such as they are, you will have to provide a major media campaign for some years into the future to correct the public mis-conceptions with regards to the Militias' intent, legallity, neccessity, and legitimacy. Sad but true. Otherwise, you will merely be trying to recruit to an organization with the publicly percieved worth of Hammas. |
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When the state works against the interests of the people, then the state ceases to be legitimate. America was founded without professional police and military (early 1600’s not 1791), America was founded on the precepts self government, they formed their own systems of due process and justice, formed their own militias and elected their own peace officers as needed not as an excuse for police states and standing armies to plunder their neighbors with violence. The state representatives no longer protect the peoples interests and rights, ["The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." --John Adams] so as a result the economy and the law that America was founded upon is gone and the nation and it’s industries is near death. What this means is the super power of the U.S. Will fall as surely as Babylon and all the arrogant criminal police and military will cease to exist as a super power leaving the people to defend themselves just as they did in the beginning. The militia is the only solution to the problems that face America !
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UNorganized militia is key. a loose-knit group with common goals, but lacking central organization or leadership. a "militia" in the traditional sense (organized and training) would be hit by a bomb before ever taking up arms. |
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When you have a tiny colony of a few hundred or even a few thousand citizens, it can pretty much self-police itself, rightly or wrongly. We are now a nation of 300 million people. You need groups like a professional law enforcement and a standing professional military force. Last time I checked, the US military and law enforcement bodies ARE formed from its own citizens, and no ones "plundering" anyone. |
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Peace Officers are elected or appointed by the township (Ten competent electors/heads of households) the militia is volunteer and donate their time and own arms in training and preparation, voluntary verses the excissive compelled taxation necessary to support professional police and militaries. If you force people to pay onerous taxes to support the organization used to collect the taxes that is indeed plunder ! |
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Your expectation is unrealistic in a modern society and it is no wonder that you are disappointed by modern society if that is the sort of standard you are expecting to be upheld. |
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Taxation is the power to destroy, if you eat all the wheat and leave none for seed you will soon starve, the state is too large to support with the amount of industry we now have in the U.S. so instead encouraging industry by reducing taxes the state now increases taxation to support more force to collect more taxes. Survivors must repeat the failed history lesson ! |
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Texas has a State Guard. They are under the command of the Governor and CANNOT be federalized. As such, they can never be called to service in any other state and are for state emergencies only. They drill but without pay, only being compensated in times when the governor calls them to duty.
This is a special part of the organized militia. But the unorganized militia are males from 17 to 44 and those with prior service who are under the age of 64, inclusive of females with prior service
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html |
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The state is supposed to be under the command of the people but just in case the state became tyrannical the militia exists as the remedy not under control of the state. The militia being composed of the people is supposed to control the state if it exceeds it's authoirty.
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One of their missions is to suppress insurrections too so you can bet they'd be on the government's side of any skirmish. |
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The main precept of the constitutional republic is to put some things beyond the power of the vote, NO majority can tyrannize the individual without breaking the law ! A majority has no power/force/authority to break the law and violate the rights of the individual. |
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OK...Rant ON....
Here we are in this year 2006, engaged in a World War (and it is, whether you want it to be or not); our news media, entertainment industry, and even at least a third of the Congress and Senate (feds) engage daily in treasonous rhetoric; not to mention the "educators" of our children; our elected representatives refuse to listen to the will of the people on almost any issue you care to name and instead carry out their plots to dissolve the sovereignty of this country by ignoring a tremendous wave of illegal immigration; sell out our heavy manufacturing industries to third world countries through unfair taxation policies (forcing virtually all heavy industry, and a large percentage of light and medium manufacturing businesses as well to close in-country operations and move to some third world country to compete);remove citizens rights to private property;repeatedly and for years violate numerous of the basic rights enumerated in the Constitution without effective opposition (right to keep and bear arms, right to property, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, taxation)...etc, etc...etc...and the populace, even of a "community" like ARFCom (who are NOT the normal run of the mill sheeple found in all societies), are so self-indulged and weak willed that there are no large movements of the membership to hold their elected representatives feet to the fire...Secure the Borders; Enforce immigration laws on the books already; enforce sanctions on employers of illegal aliens; deport all illegal aliens found;enact Fair Tax legislation; dump the property seizures being imposed ala Kelo; remove the U.N. from U.S. territory and withdraw from membership in the most anti-American organization in the world;repeal anti-free speech legislation like McCain-Feingold; prosecute treason and sedition by elected representatives, journalists and educators; and on and on...this nation is already on the verge of total collapse from within, and only the most strident, angry, and very loud roar from the populace is going to begin to reach the tone-deaf representatives that are selling us out. And there is barely a whimper......how sad.... This was, and is, the greatest country in the world, and it is crumbling from within because the will and strength of its citizens is sapped and distracted and misdirected. Most of the sheeple can tell you more about some stupid television show than they can about their own government's operation. They know more about some celebrity couple's break-up, or hook-up than they do about any given battle in the Revolutionary War, or even of their own Constitution....the winner of any given sport game on any given Sunday is more important than whether some local town council just seized their neighbor's property so the town can make more tax money from the "new owners" than the ones it was seized from...... And the question about whether the time has come to begin reconstituting our militia (that in some small way MIGHT begin to get their attention) gets only five replies in an hour. And half of those are completely against the idea, don't think the citizens are being "plundered" and are blissfully happy while the greatest nation on earth crumbles, not so slowly, into mediocrity, socialism and ineffectual has-been status..... Rant Off and I'm outta here....what a shame.... |
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So your answer is to go to a volunteer military force and volunteer law enforcement? Not very realistic expectation of you. I agree that taxes are heavy, but where to cut? Everyone has their favorite causes they want funded; its always "the others guy" who should take the hit and have their pet cause de-funded. |
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thats a lot of smilies for one post. |
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I'm already in the State Organized Militia, Th Alabama State Defense Force. aka, The Alabama State Guard.
We basically are the back up to the State's National Guard. It's an interesting concept and I still enjoy it. slash |
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What is that a picture of? |
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FBI sniper posing in the ashes of Mt. Caramel center, Waco, TX. The object circled in red is the corpse of one those murdered on April 19. |
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It's community based as in American common law, ten neighbors that agree make the township, ten townships make the precinct, ten precincts make the county, counties = state. Each ten households elect/appoint the peace officer, that means you have ten officers per 100 people that is a sizable force backed up with each head of house-hold available to be deputized and under the super-vision of the Peace Officer, the militia is in the same way grown from the bottom up, entire families even with disabilities contribute to the support of their own defense and security & justice system. From Precinct level all the way up through county level provide part time compensated officers for advanced training and management of the armories. AirForce and Navy is funded through excise tax & import export for international commerce protection. The founders/ anti-federalists already laid the foundation in law from the history of the world, there is a natural balance to nature and to governments as well, if the tree out-grows it roots system it will fall over dead, if government is too large it will also topple civilization.
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State guards may seem like a good idea but they are not effective against criminal government or major catastrophe, the bottom up (grass roots) organization are completely self sufficient and are not decapitated like pyramid systems.
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In California it's called the California State Military Reserve, though I know next to nothing about the organization. If I'm correct it is what used to be the California State Guard, which was organized in the 1940s after the California National Guard was federalized. This would be, obviously, and Organized Militia just as the TX State Guard would. EDIT: Seems to me from my reading that the CS SMR is treated more like the Red Cross than as an actual state defense force. |
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They have absolutely no power either. They are essentially at or below the level of Red Cross when a disaster hits, no joke. |
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Not true, militia truck drivers armed with AK's delivered emergency supplies to Katrina victims when the commercial drivers refused to go into chaotic areas, hams with hf radios set up communications, supplies where delivered via boat, people that did not flea the storm protected their own homes a well as their neighbors homes and pets. Locals are better suited to taking care of themselves than any out-side relief agency. |
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Members of a state-sanctioned group?? Sounds like you're talking about individuals with guns. Believe me I know I was in the TXSG when Katrina hit and we took orders from Red Cross. |
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Incidentally, were you guys armed? |
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The whole idea is to eliminate the inefficient fictional entity commonly called the state, self government means just that, people take care of their own problems, security, justice etc. The State is the problem because it is like the hireling that has no interest in making sure every individual is protected and cared for besides the fact the State requires excessive taxation to fund all those services, self gov takes out the middle man, no collection agencies are required and all the corruption and theft that goes along with a state agency like that.
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+ a billion. After seeing that Superdome disaster, I hope some of the sheep understand exactly what peril exists when you rely on a .gov planned evacuation. |
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Probably not. Somehow I see the very same thing happen again: Make no preparations, or even a basic plan. When told to leave, they will stay. They will whine and cry for big brother to help them. They will allow themselves to be herded like the sheep they are. Primal instincts will override all higher brain functions. Anarchy will commence. When order is restored, they will blame the govenment. Then they will ask for more help from the very same govenment. Repeat. |
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The professor is not saying the militia takes up arms against the US. The militia SUPPORTS the active military. The militia is under the control of each of the governors of the states. He has said that the southern border could be sealed off in quick if 50 governors would call up the militia. Each state sends 1000 men. Rotate in and out in one month tours on the southern border. That would involve 50,000 armed milita securing the border every month. In the coloniel militia there was a chain of command all the way back to the governor of the state. Like he states it would be effective and cheap way of closing that southern border off. |
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Me too. And here in Seattle. Either Mt Raineer or Earthquake. And the sheep will shit. And Starbucks will be closed! |
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Well said. |
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I disagree, the people that ignored gov orders and just started walking escaped and did just fine, if the gov is not seen as the super hero saviour people are forced to rely on them-selves. The gov works very hard at dividing the people in as many ways as they can, culture, class, economic, religion, race, etc. once the evil conspiratorial gov is taken out of the way the people actually excell and get along just fine especially in an emergency, floods, ice storms, eary quakes are common in the NW and during the emergency people generally do not panic and are quite receptive to competent leadership, they pitch in and work very hard when directed what to do because it is in their own best interest and not some strange interloper gov bureaucrat. |
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More likely it the pic of some General Discussion member at the dump shooting rats. |
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Nope, real photo |
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Good rant and it's all unfortunately true. |
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Dude, Is that guy in the tank actually WAVING the flag? Somehow I'm not overwhelmed with a sense of patriotism... |
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That is the result of a federal government who has to much power which it usurped from the states. |
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I have my doubts. Waco photos are about the most photo-shopped and misrepresented subject matter on the net. Really sucks when your side resorts to such propaganda. |
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I'd really like to know what exactly is in the picture, either way. |
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FBI sniper posing in the ashes of the Mount Caramel church. Circled in red is the body of a dead Branch Davidian. I have several other of the so-called "FBI trophy pics" |
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Then explain three things to me. Why is this "FBI sniper" not in uniform? Holding what certainly does not look like an issue weapon? Why is there a photoshopped "mask" on him? Why is the "body" that supposedly burned to death IN a building, on TOP of the burn pile and blurred when other items in the pic are not?? |
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Good question on the uniform. The rifle looks like a Remington 700, which would be about right. Also, the photo looks aged, which would be about right, too. Good questions on the mask and the stuff being blurred (unless it's somebody's attempt at censorship). |
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You have yet to prove the photos have a thing to do with Waco. I seriously doubt you ever will be able to. Several of them I strongly suspect are Iraq or the previously mentioned dump shooters. Especially the guy with the unscoped M-14.
As I stated before. Waco photos on the net are about as documentable as UFO photos. That never stopped the conspiracy guys though. Bottom line. Waco is a perfect example of when nutcases meet dumbasses. Nothing more. |
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I have met guys like you before. Why don't you tell me about prussian blue? ETA: If they are "dump shooters" why not explain the scorched go karts? You know...the go karts at the back of the Compound? Why was so much critical evidence lost, or destroyed? Was it ever proven that the B-D was involved in child abuse (something the ATF has no jurisdiction in) or the mfging of illegal weapons? Info for those who are interested |
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If the pics were real, how could it be proven ? The whole thing leaves me undecided. The pictures do look really bad and they look real to me (I've seen plenty of war pics and the like before), but there's no way to prove that they're associated with Waco and/or aren't just one hell of a good Photoshop job. |
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I have no idea what "Prussian Blue" is. I also don't see anything that looks like a go cart, and you STILL have not answered my very reasonable questions. Typical conspiracy BS. Instead of answering cogent questions concerning the authenticity of your photos you just throw more crap out. I was a student at Baylor during Waco. I watched the whole deal on a live feed in my dorm commons area with a great many others. (Mt Carmel, not Caramel BTW) I know more of what really happened that day than you ever will, and 99% of the stuff thrown around about the event today is made up bull. |
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