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Posted: 10/13/2021 4:22:51 PM EDT
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October 21- After 25 hours of being unemployed I have accepted an offer from a company that I interviewed with last month. Thank God. OTOH they will probably jump on the vaccine mandate eventually....but for now a big sigh of relief! OCTOBER 20 AFTERNOON UPDATE- ALSO POSTED PAGE 9 Just before 1 pm the director or my division and her ADC called me on a video chat. They looked like they were not happy with their task and let me know that as a probationary employee (less than 6 months) and based on my refusal to follow the unholy governors illegal order to get the clot shot I was being terminated, effective immediately. They explained a few things and verified my email address and I received my term packet while we were still talking. They were very nice about it and apologetic. Said that they had heard good things about my work there. I in turn absolved them of blame and let them know how wonderful the team of people I worked with are (I wasn't snarky or rude mostly because I wanted them to take my comments on my team mates seriously). They were obviously burdened by having to let people go. That's it. Done. Finito. I have already filed for benefits but I expect to be turned down as I was fired for what they consider cause. I worked for the Dept of Unemployment Assistance as an adjudicator and even the DUA hadn't issued a broad ruling for denials in Massachusetts. OCTOBER 20 UPDATE- also posted on page 9 So, I logged in this morning and had an email from the Director of Labor Relations. Here it is, names redacted- While your exemption application was under review, you were excused from Executive Order 595, signed by Governor Baker on August 19, 2021, requiring all Executive Department employees to provide proof of vaccination against the COVID-19 virus on or before October 17, 2021. Employees who fail to comply with Executive Order 595 are subject to progressive discipline, up to and including termination. You must complete the checkbox form provided below and replay to email address listed below by 5PM today, or we will assume you do not intend to comply with the Executive Order, and you will be disciplined. You should continue to report to work unless expressly directed not to report to work by your manager or Agency representative.REPLY TO THIS EMAIL after COMPLETED THE BELOW: ____ I will not comply with Executive Order 595 ____ I have received the first Moderna shot on ____ and the second is scheduled on ______. _____ I received my J&J vaccine on _____. _____ I received my first Pfizer shot on ____ and the second is scheduled to take place on ______. My Response- Despite the Commonwealths decision that my religious beliefs are invalid I will most certainly NOT be complying with Governor Bakers order. His worldly authority does not supersede my obligation to God, or to my conscience. I would think that the fact that I am wiling to lose my job is a good indicator that my beliefs are sincerely held. OCTOBER 19 UPDATE-also posted on page 7 I logged in this morning to find an email from 630 pm letting me know that my request for a religious exemption to the governors executive order was deinied. This is the body of the decision- "If an exemption is not granted, explain why: Based upon my conversation with you on October 13, 2021 it is my understanding that you are asserting that your sincerely held beliefs are inconsistent with the requirements of the Executive Order. Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by prolife organizations. The J&J vaccine has been deemed to be morally acceptable by religious organizations including the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. After a thorough consideration of all documents, discussions and available evidence, the direct link between a sincerely held religious belief and all three COVID-19 vaccines, and a conflict with the Governor's Executive Order, could not be ascertained." I am awaiting further instructions from my employer. In the meantime I am still working. Update 15 OCT- the deadline from Charlie Baker is Sunday the 17th. After that we were threatened with unpaid suspension if we weren't vaxxed. An email went out telling us to report to work on Monday like normal, regardless of our status. No other details. Naturally I am wondering if they are going to do a damage assessment and sort out their next steps..... Original post- I work for a state government (Massachusetts) and the governor declared that all executive branch employees have until October 17th to get the clot shot. The state police are suing over this mandate and I am in touch with a lawyer and if fired will be joining a class action lawsuit. If I am not approved by October 17 I face a 5 day suspension, unpaid. Ten 10 days, then "further disciplinary action", up to and including termination. I accept this and don't really want to hear any stupid assed GD level bullshit here. I'm posting this to share my experience and hope that others will know that they are not alone in standing up to this tyranny. I had a scheduled conference call last week and it was cancelled less than 24 hours prior. I received a new notice yesterday for todays meeting. Nice lady with hyphenated last name calls me and starts by letting me know that she is essentially checking on my "sincerely held religious beliefs" to see if I qualify. I suppose that means if I convince her that I sincerely hold my beliefs, which I do. Quite obviously reading from a script, she asked about why I felt the way that I did, I gave her a brief but I hope thorough list of the vaxx makers and aborted baby cell lines used in the development thereof. I also quoted the bible regarding life beginning in the womb. She asked if I had taken acetaminophen and I responded that under advice of counsel I declined to answer questions regarding my medical history and due to HIPAA I would need a signed statement of confidentiality before I spoke to anyone about my personal healthcare choices. She asked several other questions along the same vein and replied in the same way- Counsel advised me not to reply/HIPAA. She asked if I had ever been vaccinated, I replied that not after I was aware of the aborted baby tissue issue. She asked for info about my church/pastor, I declined, stating again that it was on the advice of counsel. The whole thing took about 15 minutes. As we closed she said that they would be getting back to me without a firm idea of when that would be. I hope before OCB Friday, but I expect that I may log in on Monday and find my access revoked if the decision does not go in my favor. |
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They are going to fuck up with these proprietary exemptions based on what "they" believe or disbelieve to be "sincerely held" moral or religious grounds.
When these deals go to court an attorney is going to vigorously question Amelia Steinmetz-Johnson credentials and ability in establishing what is "sincerely held" ,resulting in Amelia collapsing in tears. It is legitimately impossible to prove or disprove "sincerely held" . What you did or didn't do yesterday or a year ago has no bearing on today, none. |
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Thank you for standing on principle.
It is easier for me being retired to cheer you on but as the Lutheran pastor said when at first the Nazis came for the communist, then the homosexuals, the Jews etc I said nothing so when they came for me there was none to stop them I believe once they succeed in over riding religious exemptions they will continue to attack every other position and perhaps deny my Medicare coverage because I too refuse to be a part of this self approved tragedy You can be sure they intend to force everyone unless the resistance becomes more than they can overcome |
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I dont understand how you need to justify your "sincerely held religious beliefs" to ANYONE let alone your employer.
Fuck these commies. |
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Me: "Resistance to Tyrants is Duty to God."
HR: "It doesn't say that in the Bible." Me: "It does in mine." |
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Are they legally allowed to interrogate your religious beliefs like that?
Sounds like illegal shit to me. But I don't stay at holiday inns... |
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Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption?
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Wish you luck.
I have had it with this bullshit double standard where the .gov is forcing people to recognize 87 variations of mental illness with regards to gender. But the instant you claim a 1st Amendment issue regarding the vaccination and a religious belief, suddenly they get to vigorously question your beliefs. The tactic is clearly to bully you and make you feel about 2 inches tall and shrink from your positions. This should lead to pretty clear cut arguments regarding duress and discrimination. If gender can be fluid then why not faith? "Office of diversity" indeed. Not YOUR diversity but their diversity. How cute. Hope your lawsuit goes well. |
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. |
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote ETA: Beat |
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Next time you talk to one of those diversity goons, record the call and tell them you are recording the call.
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote |
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Quoted: They are going to fuck up with these proprietary exemptions based on what "they" believe or disbelieve to be "sincerely held" moral or religious grounds. When these deals go to court an attorney is going to vigorously question Amelia Steinmetz-Johnson credentials and ability in establishing what is "sincerely held" ,resulting in Amelia collapsing in tears. It is legitimately impossible to prove or disprove "sincerely held" . What you did or didn't do yesterday or a year ago has no bearing on today, none. View Quote Look how quickly the idea of; “You’re not fired, you just can’t show up and work any hours..” spread. Seemed it happened in a couple weeks. I’m sure the companies are all sharing strategies/lawyers to insulate themselves as much as possible for when the time comes for lawsuits. Scripted questions to try and get people to trip themselves up. i.e. interrogation |
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Quoted: I dont understand how you need to justify your "sincerely held religious beliefs" to ANYONE let alone your employer. Fuck these commies. View Quote I agree, I think when this is all settled there will be grounds to start throwing around some religious discrimination lawsuits as well. |
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Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. View Quote I think most of those were developed long before fetal cell lines existed. That is like saying you can’t buy a Ford truck because someone rode in one to the abortion clinic. A lot of HR are going to get loved tenderly by the lawyers if they keep pushing. |
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Quoted: I think most of those were developed long before fetal cell lines existed. That is like saying you can’t buy a Ford truck because someone rode in one to the abortion clinic. A lot of HR are going to get loved tenderly by the lawyers if they keep pushing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. I think most of those were developed long before fetal cell lines existed. That is like saying you can’t buy a Ford truck because someone rode in one to the abortion clinic. A lot of HR are going to get loved tenderly by the lawyers if they keep pushing. The current formulations were developed using the fetal cell lines. OPs answer was the right one. |
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Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. View Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin |
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Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It's kind of a "gotcha". Op was smart to answer the way he did. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It's kind of a "gotcha". Op was smart to answer the way he did. |
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Quoted: I work for a state government and the governor declared that all executive branch employees have until October 17th to get the clot shot. The state police are suing over this mandate and I am in touch with a lawyer and if fired will be joining a class action lawsuit. If I am not approved by October 17 I face a 5 day suspension, unpaid. Ten 10 days, then "further disciplinary action", up to and including termination. I accept this and don't really want to hear any stupid assed GD level bullshit here. I'm posting this to share my experience and hope that others will know that they are not alone in standing up to this tyranny. I had a scheduled conference call last week and it was cancelled less than 24 hours prior. I received a new notice yesterday for todays meeting. Nice lady with hyphenated last name calls me and starts by letting me know that she is essentially checking on my "sincerely held religious beliefs" to see if I qualify. I suppose that means if I convince her that I sincerely hold my beliefs, which I do. Quite obviously reading from a script, she asked about why I felt the way that I did, I gave her a brief but I hope thorough list of the vaxx makers and aborted baby cell lines used in the development thereof. I also quoted the bible regarding life beginning in the womb. She asked if I had taken acetaminophen and I responded that under advice of counsel I declined to answer questions regarding my medical history and due to HIPAA I would need a signed statement of confidentiality before I spoke to anyone about my personal healthcare choices. She asked several other questions along the same vein and replied in the same way- Counsel advised me not to reply/HIPAA. She asked if I had ever been vaccinated, I replied that not after I was aware of the aborted baby tissue issue. She asked for info about my church/pastor, I declined, stating again that it was on the advice of counsel. The whole thing took about 15 minutes. As we closed she said that they would be getting back to me without a firm idea of when that would be. I hope before OCB Friday, but I expect that I may log in on Monday and find my access revoked if the decision does not go in my favor. View Quote No answers or explanation needed. Any further interrogations about my constitutionally protected beliefs will have to be presented to my lawyer in writing. Fuck these creeping invading commie fucks. STOP letting them intimidate you and win at it. ETA: All these sample letters quoting scripture, aborted fetus mumbo jumbo (regardless of truth), and links to "data" is all bullshit. STOP giving them ammo to disect or dispute your beliefs. ALL you have to do is assert your position on your beliefs and they have ZERO right to question or discriminate you over that SIMPLE fact. |
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There's no aborted baby tissue in mRNA. I don't think you should be forced into a VAX either.
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote It's a trap! (you already guessed that) https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption The hospital’s form includes a list of 30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft. |
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Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. View Quote At least several of those were developed long before fetal cell lines were available. That they might have been tested later, when fetal cell lines were available, is immaterial to the argument. For example, if Ford uses a pile of dead babies to test traction control as part of development of traction control, that's a bad and one could have a religious exemption to using that vehicle. But if they developed the traction control and then later on, for curiosity's sake, tested the traction control on a pile of dead babies, that's a situation of misapplying the principles of objection if trying to apply the argument of developmental testing, since testing in the development cycle is part of the development. Post-development testing isn't really "testing" in the same sense. Moreover, at least for Catholics, we can have an objection to particular vaccines merely in conscience and for a variety of reasons, as outlined here: https://cocatholicconference.org/a-letter-from-the-bishops-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/ |
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That list is complete bullshit and we’ve pretty well beat it to death here. Not that it would matter if the person in question weren’t aware of it. A denial for that would probably be worth some $
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Such bullshit that they feel they have the power to determine if your personal religious beliefs are legitimate.
This is so infuriating. |
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Thanks for the encouragement. Losing my job isn't a pleasant prospect at all but neither is losing my rights.
I was going to get the jab back in March but there was so much hullabaloo over scarcity of the shot that I decided to wait, as I work from home and don't really go out much. But then they started with the coercion and just being pricks about getting the shot. That raised my hackles and I looked into the vaxx, and it's success, and everything else. This isn't about preventing the covid, it's about obeying. With my luck, of course, I'll die of Covid...LOL the universe has a certain sadism when dealing with me and my decisions. Oh yeah- LET'S GO BRANDON!!! |
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I just read that L3H rejected someone's religious exemption and wanted more specific "examples" of why their beliefs exempt them. WTF is it with these tyrants?
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Socialism hates religion.
Socialism is Communism, Fascism and Marxism rolled into one big atheist all of fuck! Socialism wants to have total control of the population and right now has control over the weak minded, weak willed and poor. The Middle class is being raped and this vaccine mandate BS is another blow to the Middle Class working family. The jab is the prophetic mark of the beast! |
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Quoted: Bolded - False. At least several of those were developed long before fetal cell lines were available. That they might have been tested later, when fetal cell lines were available, is immaterial to the argument. For example, if Ford uses a pile of dead babies to test traction control as part of development of traction control, that's a bad and one could have a religious exemption to using that vehicle. But if they developed the traction control and then later on, for curiosity's sake, tested the traction control on a pile of dead babies, that's a situation of misapplying the principles of objection if trying to apply the argument of developmental testing, since testing in the development cycle is part of the development. Post-development testing isn't really "testing" in the same sense. Moreover, at least for Catholics, we can have an objection to particular vaccines merely in conscience and for a variety of reasons, as outlined here: https://cocatholicconference.org/a-letter-from-the-bishops-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. Bolded - False. At least several of those were developed long before fetal cell lines were available. That they might have been tested later, when fetal cell lines were available, is immaterial to the argument. For example, if Ford uses a pile of dead babies to test traction control as part of development of traction control, that's a bad and one could have a religious exemption to using that vehicle. But if they developed the traction control and then later on, for curiosity's sake, tested the traction control on a pile of dead babies, that's a situation of misapplying the principles of objection if trying to apply the argument of developmental testing, since testing in the development cycle is part of the development. Post-development testing isn't really "testing" in the same sense. Moreover, at least for Catholics, we can have an objection to particular vaccines merely in conscience and for a variety of reasons, as outlined here: https://cocatholicconference.org/a-letter-from-the-bishops-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/ The current formulations that we take were tested using the fetal cell lines. The fact that other formulations existed prior is irrelevant. So I wouldn’t fall for their traps. Note: this in intended to be helpful in case anyone faces a similar “gotcha”. The best answer is the answer that OP gave. |
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Quoted: Socialism hates religion. Socialism is Communism, Fascism and Marxism rolled into one big atheist all of fuck! Socialism wants to have total control of the population and right now has control over the weak minded, weak willed and poor. The Middle class is being raped and this vaccine mandate BS is another blow to the Middle Class working family. The jab is the prophetic mark of the beast! View Quote It also seems like a ploy to flush conservative leaning people out of government agencies. |
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote It's just a gotcha thing. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption |
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There might be a case made that anyone claiming a religious exemption is entitled to have an impartial person evaluate whether the claim for a religious exemption is sincerely held or not. That would then throw the burden back onto the person or group that wants to evaluate someone's religious exemption to show that they are in fact impartial.
A born again Christian that has to justify their belief before another born again Christian would likely have a better chance of a successful outcome than if their beliefs were evaluated by an aggressively atheistic evaluator. An aggressively atheistic evaluator who thinks all Christians are nut cases who pray to imaginary beings would be unlikely to be impartial...as would a born again Christian. So it would make sense that before anyone can evaluate the sincerity of someone's religious beliefs, we would need to evaluate the impartiality of the evaluator. |
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Or it could be that no one is really fit to evaluate anyone’s religious beliefs.
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My only religious exemption is I religiously don't believe in taking an experimental, mandated chemical cocktail where the pharma co has total immunity and absolution of blame or legal responsibility if it turns out to give everyone cancerous tumors 8 years from now, or some other such thing.
The numerous cases of myocarditis and miscarriages that are nearly immediate are bad enough. Right now my employer says show proof of vaccination or submit to weekly testing, so at least I have the testing option ...for now. I'll bet in a month that option gets pulled though. |
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Quoted: The current formulations that we take were tested using the fetal cell lines. The fact that other formulations existed prior is irrelevant. So I wouldn’t fall for their traps. Note: this in intended to be helpful in case anyone faces a similar “gotcha”. The best answer is the answer that OP gave. View Quote That’s also bullshit. The formulations for most of those have not changed. Just because some sick fuck decided to see what it would do to a fetal cell at some point doesn’t taint the compound IMO. I still don’t get why it would be a “gotcha” if the person being questioned were unaware. |
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Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? View Quote a retarded hospital posted a fake list of things that have had testing done post development by some companies and are treating it as the same concept as something developed using it. The lists is obviously fake, but hasn't stopped companies from throwing it around like it means something. |
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At my employer I have the option of logging in and changing my gender and how I wish to be addressed, all without any question.
But I must submit to a religious purity test to claim an exemption... I'd love to know who my employer is having asses my religious sincerity. |
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Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. No, the lady was lying to the man. None of those drugs were developed, tested, or produced via fetal cell lines. It's a stupid comment from a stupid person in a hospital who lifted the list from a Faceplant post. It's pretty easy to prove aspirin wasn't developed, tested, or produced using them since it was first produced in 1853. I made some in high school Chemistry class. No fetal cells involved. The problem is we have people without even a modicum of common sense who didn't even do 30 seconds of due diligence to check to see that it was entirely false. |
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Quoted: The current formulations were developed using the fetal cell lines. OPs answer was the right one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. I think most of those were developed long before fetal cell lines existed. That is like saying you can’t buy a Ford truck because someone rode in one to the abortion clinic. A lot of HR are going to get loved tenderly by the lawyers if they keep pushing. The current formulations were developed using the fetal cell lines. OPs answer was the right one. No, they were not. At no time were any of those items developed using fetal cell lines. Aspirin can be made using a kid's chemistry set. Where do people get these stupid ideas? There have been researchers who have tested some of those compounds using fetal cell lines to determine their method of action at the cellular level. Furtherance of scientific knowledge is great as long as it doesn't come at the expense of dead babies. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It's kind of a "gotcha". Op was smart to answer the way he did. Either he's being sarcastic or he's just ignorant. If he's the former, I missed it. |
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Quoted: No BUT they were used in their development View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There's no aborted baby tissue in mRNA. I don't think you should be forced into a VAX either. No BUT they were used in their development It seems to be an “accepted” argument, as far as these things go. |
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Quoted: It's a trap! (you already guessed that) https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption The hospital’s form includes a list of 30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? It's a trap! (you already guessed that) https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption The hospital’s form includes a list of 30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft. And, the hospital's form is just as bogus as the list. None of those used fetal cell lines in either development, testing, or production. |
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