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Posted: 2/28/2021 12:57:52 PM EDT
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I've wondered about that too.  And there's other similar times.  

I've settled the Holy Spirit revield such things to them so they could be recorded.
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{You might want to check which forum you're in - Z}
My apologies. Thanks for the correction
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I'll start with one: When Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the Gospels tell us His prayers; how could the author(s) of that passage know, being that the apostles were asleep?
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Because it was something he did it all the time.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 1:21:22 PM EDT
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I have lots of these but I'm not sure this is the right forum.  IBTL for sure ...

My personal faith journey ...
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 1:24:33 PM EDT
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Few I've wondered, as I just read through the Bible cover to cover in the last 10 months. First time actually finishing in less than a year.

Why does Matthew and Marks account of Judas betraying Jesus differ so much from John's account?

Why do people live past 120 years after God said their years would be limited to 120?

How did the dove find an olive leaf? We're the trees still okay after being underwater for months and months?

Why did Jesus have so little patience for his disciples? He often seemed annoyed more than anything else in the Gospels.

Why did Jesus sometimes try to keep miracles a secret, while other times he was sure to do it in front of large crowds?

I wo t even bring up Revelation. That's an interesting subject all on its own.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 1:30:07 PM EDT
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Alternately, Jesus could have filled them in before the Ascention.  You know they talked endlessly for those 40 days but so little of that seems to have been written down.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 1:35:10 PM EDT
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Revelation makes such like sense because it is prophecy yet to be.  

We read Isaiah 53 and say "well duh!  It's right there in black and white!  Who else could he have been refering?!"  But it is prophecy that has come to pass.  The Holy Spirit is still blocking our eyes, ears and hearts to the prophecy of Revelation.   Some day it will make as much sense  as Isaiah 53.
Link Posted: 2/28/2021 2:09:05 PM EDT
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Why does Matthew and Marks account of Judas betraying Jesus differ so much from John's account? I've always seen the accounts as not necessarily differing, but rather highlighting different aspects of the incident.

Why do people live past 120 years after God said their years would be limited to 120? This one has always got me as well.

How did the dove find an olive leaf? We're the trees still okay after being underwater for months and months? This may be allegorical. However, if God so wished to send a symbol, then how would creating a dove with an olive branch be any harder for the being that created the entire Universe?

Why did Jesus have so little patience for his disciples? He often seemed annoyed more than anything else in the Gospels. I don't know that He was predominantly annoyed, but have you ever had to spend time on a project with a bunch of dumb coworkers who can't see the next step while can you envision the entire end project? Again, these are all speculations on my part.

Why did Jesus sometimes try to keep miracles a secret, while other times he was sure to do it in front of large crowds? This one I DO KNOW for sure, as this answer can be found in the footnotes of many different Bible translations. In one Bible version the footnote reads, "Jesus ordered their silence as it was not yet time for His ministry to be revealed". Another footnotes explains that He as not looking to provide signs at that time. Perhaps as a desire for the attainment of faith among the believers?

I wo t even bring up Revelation. That's an interesting subject all on its own.
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I hope I helped a bit.
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I'll start with one: When Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the Gospels tell us His prayers; how could the author(s) of that passage know, being that the apostles were asleep?
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Good question. I assume it may be a result of the revealing knowledge that came when they received the Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”

Peter Addresses the Crowd
14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
   [b]I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
   your young men will see visions,
   your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
   I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
   and they will prophesy.


Again though, this is all speculation on my part, but it seems reasonable that if they could receive the ability to discern foreign languages to aid in the spread of the Gospel that they could receive knowledge of some unseen incidents to also aid in the spread of the Gospel.
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Alternately, Jesus could have filled them in before the Ascention.  You know they talked endlessly for those 40 days but so little of that seems to have been written down.
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This is also a plausible answer. Sometimes people forget that the Bible contains only a minute part of the things that Jesus did, said, and revealed.
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This is also a plausible answer. Sometimes people forget that the Bible contains only a minute part of the things that Jesus did, said, and revealed.
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Alternately, Jesus could have filled them in before the Ascention.  You know they talked endlessly for those 40 days but so little of that seems to have been written down.


This is also a plausible answer. Sometimes people forget that the Bible contains only a minute part of the things that Jesus did, said, and revealed.


I agree with this answer.

Very little (per se) of what Christ actually said is in the Bible. Like Christ walked around completely silent his entire ministry, and only said and did what comparatively few things was actually written down.

What I believe is the answer is explained in these posts... The Bible contains only a fraction of Christs ministry.
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I agree with this answer.

Very little (per se) of what Christ actually said is in the Bible. Like Christ walked around completely silent his entire ministry, and only said and did what comparatively few things was actually written down.

What I believe is the answer is explained in these posts... The Bible contains only a fraction of Christs ministry.
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Wasn't it John who said there weren't enough books in the world to record all of Christ's miracles?

So that must mean the ones that were recorded were selected for a reason.  

Have you noticed most of this healings were on the Sabbath?  Why?  To "stick it" to the religious establishment?  They are the ones who said no work on the Sabbath but as Jesus said "if one you had a sheep fall in a well on the Sabbath, who among you would not fetch it out?"  Clearly some work is then approved and indeed encouraged.  

Let me admit here that l am a simpleton.  In school when we were required to read books and figure out what the author meant, you know,  those classics like "Animal Farm", Slaughterhouse Five, and such,  l always pulled failing grades.  I never could understand them on anything other than the superficial surface.  

I have much the same problem reading the Bible.  I have a hard time gleaning things deeper. Yet l do better than the other readings.
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Why do people live past 120 years after God said their years would be limited to 120?
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I took this to be, "in 120 years I'm going to flood the earth and kill everyone" rather than "people can't live past age 120 any longer"
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I took this to be, "in 120 years I'm going to flood the earth and kill everyone" rather than "people can't live past age 120 any longer"
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They are different contextual notions. Interestingly, science seems to validate it, for the most part.
Science Affirms Gen 6:3.

This is an excellent website by the way.
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I'll start with one: When Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the Gospels tell us His prayers; how could the author(s) of that passage know, being that the apostles were asleep?
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He told them after the resurrection?
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Here's one for you guys. It's always stumped me as far as chronology is concerned:

There are numerous verses where Christ or the Apostles allude to the idea that the return of Christ will be within the lifespans of those early Christians. For example,

Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

There are numerous others. I have looked up commentaries and the like, but I would like you'als take on it.
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, but ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.
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More off topic.

Have you seen the series, one season only but wrapping up filming of season 2, The Chosen?  Available for free on their ap, wherever you get yours, and on YouTube.  

It follows the lives of the disciples more closely than Jesus'.  But it does show Jesus in a more human way than any show before.  Such as the wedding at Cana.  Of course Jesus was laughing and joking and having fun!  That's what Jewish weddings are famous for!  And that is the culture He grew up in.  

The creator/ director has a Catholic priest, an evangelical pastor and a Messianic Rabbi on staff as consultants to keep him guided within approved doctrine and history of first century Jewish culture.



Episode 1, Season 1
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, but ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.
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There are numerous others. I have looked up commentaries and the like, but I would like you'als take on it.
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The way I take it... Within the doctrinal absolute that "no man knows" (Matt 24:36) the day of the Second Coming, I see followers being warned, "be ready, it can happen anytime."

Is not such bad advice for believers.

Their last day on this earth could happen anytime. My last day on earth could happen anytime. Their day of reckoning could happen anytime.  
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I agree with this answer.

Very little (per se) of what Christ actually said is in the Bible. Like Christ walked around completely silent his entire ministry, and only said and did what comparatively few things was actually written down.

What I believe is the answer is explained in these posts... The Bible contains only a fraction of Christs ministry.
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John last chapter last verse.
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The way I take it... Within the doctrinal absolute that "no man knows" (Matt 24:36) the day of the Second Coming, I see followers being warned, "be ready, it can happen anytime."

Is not such bad advice for believers.

Their last day on this earth could happen anytime. My last day on earth could happen anytime. Their day of reckoning could happen anytime.  
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There are numerous others. I have looked up commentaries and the like, but I would like you'als take on it.


The way I take it... Within the doctrinal absolute that "no man knows" (Matt 24:36) the day of the Second Coming, I see followers being warned, "be ready, it can happen anytime."

Is not such bad advice for believers.

Their last day on this earth could happen anytime. My last day on earth could happen anytime. Their day of reckoning could happen anytime.  


Yes, a warning is what I get from it. I think procrastination was a trait of 'the 12' that frustrated Jesus.
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Yes, a warning is what I get from it. I think procrastination was a trait of 'the 12' that frustrated Jesus.
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I'm not sure about this. There are numerous other verses that speak to the preparedness and ambiguity of the end time in a better manner the these. Take the "thief in a night" verses for example.

No, the verses I am referring to are more specific in nature.
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Cain and Able were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans.

After Cain murdered Able, God punished him by banishing him to be a restless wanderer of the Earth.  But to protect him, God marked Cain to prevent him from being slain by others.

Who are these others if not Adam and Eve or some of Cain’s younger siblings?
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Cain and Able were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans.

After Cain murdered Able, God punished him by banishing him to be a restless wanderer of the Earth.  But to protect him, God marked Cain to prevent him from being slain by others.

Who are these others if not Adam and Eve or some of Cain’s younger siblings?
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This is easily understood for Catholics as the understanding of Scripture is different is some ways that many Protestants. We take the Bible literally insofar as the author's intent, but not always for the words on the page. This is particularly the case with the Old Testament. Here is a decent article that may help some understand.

The Catholic Approach to Some Parts of Scripture

Paragraph #116 of the Catechism gives us more on the literal sense of Scripture, “The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: ‘All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.’”

Okay, what is being said here? Yes, Catholics take the Bible literally.  What that means, though, as the Catechism states, is that we look for the meaning that the author of any given Scripture passage meant to convey, we don’t just look at the words on the page and take them at face value.  An example: If I said that I went to a concert last night and there were a million people there, does that mean that I am trying to tell you that there were exactly one million people at the concert?  No, of course not.  Everyone in our particular culture would take that to mean that I went to a concert last night and it was absolutely overflowing with people.  That could mean hundreds, or even thousands, depending on the size of the arena where the concert was held, but it definitely does not mean exactly one million people, even though I actually said there were a million people there.  

This is what is known as an idiom of speech – using words that, taken at face value, actually mean one thing, to mean something else.  Another example: Often, when watching the weather reports on the local news, you’ll hear the weather person say something along the lines of, “The sun came up at 5:33 this morning.”  Everyone knows what that means.  Yet, that word – sunrise – taken at just a surface meaning, actually implies that the weather guy or gal thinks the sun is revolving around the earth.  The truth is, the sun does not rise in the morning.  What actually happens is that the earth’s rotation causes people to be able to see the sun at a particular time each morning. But, instead of saying, “The earth’s rotation caused the sun to come into view at 5:33 this morning,” we just say “the sun rose at 5:33 this morning,” and everyone knows the meaning we are intending to convey."
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Here's one for you guys. It's always stumped me as far as chronology is concerned:

There are numerous verses where Christ or the Apostles allude to the idea that the return of Christ will be within the lifespans of those early Christians. For example,

Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

There are numerous others. I have looked up commentaries and the like, but I would like you'als take on it.
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In Matthew 10:23, there is an untranslated greek word in the verse (i.e. "an") that indicates Jesus is not asserting a certainty, but rather something that is conditional and uncertain.  

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/10-23.htm
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In Matthew 10:23, there is an untranslated greek word in the verse (i.e. "an") that indicates Jesus is not asserting a certainty, but rather something that is conditional and uncertain.  

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I don't see how that is possible; "an"

"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.

Replace it where you will, but it doesn't seem to make the statement conditional.
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nephilim giants

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I don't see how that is possible; "an"

"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until (Untranslated greek word "an" here)   the Son of Man comes.

Replace it where you will, but it doesn't seem to make the statement conditional.
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I'm not sure what the issue is. Just look at the link and the parsing of the words, and the definition of the greek word. It is pretty straightforward.


Strong's definition (not the best, but suitable in this case)

an: usually untranslatable, but generally denoting supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty
Original Word: ??
Part of Speech: Particle, Disjunctive Particle
Transliteration: an
Phonetic Spelling: (an)
Definition: usually untranslatable, but generally denoting supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty
Usage: an untranslatable word (under the circumstances, in that case, anyhow), the general effect of which is to make a statement contingent, which would otherwise be definite: it is thus regularly used with the subjunctive mood.

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I'm not sure what the issue is. Just look at the link and the parsing of the words, and the definition of the greek word. It is pretty straightforward.


Strong's definition (not the best, but suitable in this case)

an: usually untranslatable, but generally denoting supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty
Original Word: ??
Part of Speech: Particle, Disjunctive Particle
Transliteration: an
Phonetic Spelling: (an)
Definition: usually untranslatable, but generally denoting supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty
Usage: an untranslatable word (under the circumstances, in that case, anyhow), the general effect of which is to make a statement contingent, which would otherwise be definite: it is thus regularly used with the subjunctive mood.

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Yes, I understand the notion of conditional, but I fail to see how its inclusion alters the statement. Please show me how it creates an uncertainty of time within this verse.
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, but ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.
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Glad I'm not the only one.
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, but ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.
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He had to be difficult in some ways. Could you imagine having a disagreement with Jesus?  In the book of Mark, everybody seemed scared out their minds whenever he showed up. He even flashed anger on occasion (Mark 3:5).

But did he have belching competitions with his bros around the fire? I want to think he did things like that. Did he pet dogs and make them bicycle? (they have paws and are unclean so likely not). The bible records the dramatic, but what was Jesus like in the mundane. I suspect he was loving, kind, patient, etc.... But did ask his disciples to ponder the question: Why did chicken cross the road?  
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I will often use commentaries to gain better insight into passages which are giving me trouble, and to gain understanding on how they have traditionally been interpreted:

Haydock's commentary is great: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/haydock/title.shtml
Catena Aurea for the Gospels: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/catena/untitled-111.shtml
This site has a lot of resources: https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home
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Few I've wondered, as I just read through the Bible cover to cover in the last 10 months. First time actually finishing in less than a year.

Why does Matthew and Marks account of Judas betraying Jesus differ so much from John's account?

Why do people live past 120 years after God said their years would be limited to 120?

How did the dove find an olive leaf? We're the trees still okay after being underwater for months and months?

Why did Jesus have so little patience for his disciples? He often seemed annoyed more than anything else in the Gospels.

Why did Jesus sometimes try to keep miracles a secret, while other times he was sure to do it in front of large crowds?

I wo t even bring up Revelation. That's an interesting subject all on its own.
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The olive leaf because not all of the world was flooded. Look at the Hebrew word and it could mean land.
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I don't see how that is possible; "an"
"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.

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Thanks. I use those as well. Maybe you can clear my question up. I can't seem to see the connection; Take a look at the above post.
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Cain and Able were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans.

After Cain murdered Able, God punished him by banishing him to be a restless wanderer of the Earth.  But to protect him, God marked Cain to prevent him from being slain by others.

Who are these others if not Adam and Eve or some of Cain’s younger siblings?
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Adam was not created until the eighth day. Read Chapter one and two very carefully.
In chapter 2 God looked around and didn’t have anyone to till the land.
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I'll start with one: When Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the Gospels tell us His prayers; how could the author(s) of that passage know, being that the apostles were asleep?
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It says he went about a stone's throw away and began praying. It seems they could have heard the first part of the prayer that's recorded, and his aggravation at them not being awake when he returned. He prayed for an hour yet the text doesn't record the rest of those prayers.

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Cain and Able were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans.

After Cain murdered Able, God punished him by banishing him to be a restless wanderer of the Earth.  But to protect him, God marked Cain to prevent him from being slain by others.

Who are these others if not Adam and Eve or some of Cain’s younger siblings?
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Adam was not created until the eighth day. Read Chapter one and two very carefully.
In chapter 2 God looked around and didn’t have anyone to till the land.
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I must be completely off or misfiring my cylinders today, because I can't see how this correlates to the question that was asked either.
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Cain and Able were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans.

After Cain murdered Able, God punished him by banishing him to be a restless wanderer of the Earth.  But to protect him, God marked Cain to prevent him from being slain by others.

Who are these others if not Adam and Eve or some of Cain’s younger siblings?
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I've wondered if this how we account for "cave-men".
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I'll start with one: When Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the Gospels tell us His prayers; how could the author(s) of that passage know, being that the apostles were asleep?
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The Bible is not a literal history.
The various authors have taken some poetic license.

The Spirit inspires the prophets and it's possible the Spirit relayed Jesus prayers to the author to capture for posterity.


I don't think anyone was eye witness to Jesus 40 days in the wilderness while being tempted by Satan.
Possible Jesus relayed the story to his Apostles.
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Bishop Robert Barron had a good analogy for the Bible as a whole. He said to think of the Bible not as one book, but as a LIBRARY of books. It contains historical texts, yes, but also poems and many other types of literary genre. Each must be approached on its own terms.
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But you must understand what verses are referencing earlier texts. Jesus teachings cannot be understood if you don’t understand the Old Testament.
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But you must understand what verses are referencing earlier texts. Jesus teachings cannot be understood if you don’t understand the Old Testament.
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Yes, Bishop Barren and Zhu mean precisely that. They are to be understood on their own terms, but always within the larger context of both the Old and New Testaments.

Could you please provide some insight into your previous post? I truly am trying to find the correlation.
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Thanks. I use those as well. Maybe you can clear my question up. I can't seem to see the connection; Take a look at the above post.
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Thanks. I use those as well. Maybe you can clear my question up. I can't seem to see the connection; Take a look at the above post.


In the Catena Aurea, St. Hilary's view seems to make the most sense from a soteriological perspective of the Jews' coming in based on the accepted eschatological point of view.:

23. “But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.”

Chrys.: Having foretold the fearful things which should come upon them after His Cross, resurrection, and ascension, He leads them to gentler prospects; He does not bid them presumptuously to offer themselves for persecution, but to [p. 385] fly from it; “When they persecute you in this city, flee ye to another.” For because this was the first beginning of their conversion, He adapts His words to their state.

Jerome: This must be referred to the time when the Apostles were sent to preach, when it was said to them, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles;” they should not fear, but may shun persecution. This we see the believers did in the beginning, when on a persecution arising in Jerusalem they were scattered throughout all Judaea, and thus the season of tribulation was made the seedtime of the Gospel.

Aug., cont. Faust., xxii, 36: Not that the Saviour was unable to protect His disciples, does He here bid them fly, and Himself give them an example of it, but He instructed man’s weakness, that he should not presume to tempt God, when he has anything that he can do for himself, but should shun all evils.

Aug., City of God, book 1, ch. 22: He might have suffered them to lay violent hands upon themselves, that they might not fall into the hands of their persecutors. Therefore if He neither commanded nor allowed this mode of departure from this world to His own, for whom He Himself had promised that He would prepare an eternal mansion; whatever instances may be brought by the Gentiles who know not God, it is clear that this is not lawful for those who believe one true God.

Chrys.: But that they should not say, What then if we fly from persecution, and again they cast us out thence whither we have fled? To remove this fear, He says, “Verily, I say unto you, ye shall not have completed, &c.” that is, ye shall not have made the circuit of Palestine and return to Me, before I shall take you to Me.

Raban.: Or; He foretels that they shall not have brought all the cities of Israel to the faith by their preaching, before the Lord’s resurrection be accomplished, and a commission given them to preach the Gospel throughout the world.

Hilary: Otherwise; He exhorts to fly from place to place; for His preaching driven from Judaea, first passing into Greece; then, wearied with divers sufferings of the Apostles up and down the cities of Greece, it takes an abiding refuge in the rest of the Gentile world. But to shew that the Gentiles would believe the preaching of the Apostles, but that the remnant of Israel should only believe at His second coming, He adds, “Ye shall not have [p. 386] completed the cities of Israel;” i.e. After the fulness of the Gentiles is brought in, that which remains of Israel to fill up the number of the Saints shall be called into the Church in Christ’s future coming to glory.

Aug., Ep. 228: Let the servants of Christ then do as He commanded, or permitted them; as He fled into Egypt, let them fly from city to city, whenever any one of them is marked out for persecution; that the Church be not deserted, it will be filled by those who are not so sought after; and let these give sustenance to their fellow-servants whom they know cannot live by any other means. But when the threatening danger is common to all, Bishops, clergy, and laity, let not those who have need of aid be deserted by those whose aid they require.

Either therefore let them all pass to some stronghold, or let those who are obliged to remain, not be deserted by those whose province it is to supply their ecclesiastical needs; that they may either all live, or all suffer whatever their Master will have them to suffer.

Remig.: Be it known moreover, that as this precept respecting endurance under persecution specially belongs to the Apostles and their successors, men of fortitude, so the permission to fly is sufficiently proper for the weak in the faith, to whom the tender Master condescends, lest if they should offer themselves for martyrdom, under the pain they should deny the faith; and the sin of flight is lighter than that of denial. But though by their flight they shewed that they had not the constancy of perfect faith, yet their desert was great, seeing they were ready to leave all for Christ. So that if He had not given them permission to fly, some would have said that they were aliens from the glory of the heavenly kingdom.

Jerome: Spiritually, we may say; When they shall persecute you in one book or one passage of Scripture, let us flee to other volumes, for however contentious the adversary may be, protection will come from the Saviour before the victory is yielded to the enemy.

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-commentary/catena-aurea-on-matthew/chapter-1/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6/chapter-7/chapter-8/chapter-9/chapter-10
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Uh, there's only one of which I'm aware.
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I worked that show. The whole first season. We did not have much money and I am proud of how it turned out
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Have you seen the series, one season only but wrapping up filming of season 2, The Chosen?  Available for free on their ap, wherever you get yours, and on YouTube.  

It follows the lives of the disciples more closely than Jesus'.  But it does show Jesus in a more human way than any show before.  Such as the wedding at Cana.  Of course Jesus was laughing and joking and having fun!  That's what Jewish weddings are famous for!  And that is the culture He grew up in.  

The creator/ director has a Catholic priest, an evangelical pastor and a Messianic Rabbi on staff as consultants to keep him guided within approved doctrine and history of first century Jewish culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=craeyJdrCsE

Episode 1, Season 1
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.

I worked that show. The whole first season. We did not have much money and I am proud of how it turned out
More off topic.

Have you seen the series, one season only but wrapping up filming of season 2, The Chosen?  Available for free on their ap, wherever you get yours, and on YouTube.  

It follows the lives of the disciples more closely than Jesus'.  But it does show Jesus in a more human way than any show before.  Such as the wedding at Cana.  Of course Jesus was laughing and joking and having fun!  That's what Jewish weddings are famous for!  And that is the culture He grew up in.  

The creator/ director has a Catholic priest, an evangelical pastor and a Messianic Rabbi on staff as consultants to keep him guided within approved doctrine and history of first century Jewish culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=craeyJdrCsE

Episode 1, Season 1

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Uh, there's only one of which I'm aware.
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.....with no matter which Christian faith you adhere to.


Uh, there's only one of which I'm aware.


Replace faith with doctrine.
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Glad I'm not the only one.
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This is off-topic in my own thread, but I've wondered what Jesus was like in "real life". As you've said: We only know a tiny fraction of what His life was like. There was a series on the Bible on Netflix that was pretty good, and there's a scene on the life of Jesus where He and Peter are sitting in a boat on shore after he'd recruited some of the disciples. Peter asks Him (paraphrasing) "So now what? What are we gonna do?" Jesus replies with a sly smile "We're going to change the world." We all have a version of what Jesus was like in our heads, but ultimately we don't know. He *was* human after all. Did He goof around? Did He tell tell jokes? Was He always serious? Was there a food He hated? What kind of a kid was He? I never thought about that before seeing this scene in a relatively insignificant movie/documentary.


Glad I'm not the only one.


I'm right there with you guys.

Jesus is the way, and the truth, and the life. The focus should be on Him. There is a lot of noise in doctrine that can get in the way of that focus if you're not careful.
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