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Long story short, I've hit a major wall. I'm 36, on HRT due to some major issues and will remain there for the rest of my life. I carb cycle at a 500 cal deficit, get in an easy 100-120 oz of water a day, lift heavy 4 days a week, active rest 2 days a week, one cheat meal every 2 weeks. And I have not budged a single inch or lb. Anybody care to help me troubleshoot what I could be missing?
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All things considered, 1 pound of fat is 3500 calories. If you go into a consistent calorie deficit compared to what you are burning you will lose, and if you go into a consistent calorie surplus compared to what you are burning, you will gain. All dietary facts and metabolism issues cannot change this. If you are not losing, you cannot actually be in a consistent calorie deficit. Prisoners of war in Viet Nam proved this. Some dropped 40% of their body weight or more simply from calorie deficit, even though they were confined and had little or no activity. At the end of the day, it's calories in, and calories out. Maybe you are not burning as many calories as you think you are, or maybe you are taking in more calories than you think you are? |
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user has been banned from this thread i am sorry it took so long
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Sometimes when you have done everything you can, its time to seek professional help.
Ask around for a trainer or dietician in your area that’s more geared towards your goals. Someone that may run some labs (cortisol, thyroid, etc), ask questions you didn’t think of, and put you on an individualized program. These people are experts, utilize them. Or you can use the advice here. It’ll always be “you need a calorie deficit,” and that is all! And the added anecdotal evidence of POWs in Vietnam, clearly that is your exact situation. |
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Quoted: Long story short, I've hit a major wall. I'm 36, on HRT due to some major issues and will remain there for the rest of my life. I carb cycle at a 500 cal deficit, get in an easy 100-120 oz of water a day, lift heavy 4 days a week, active rest 2 days a week, one cheat meal every 2 weeks. And I have not budged a single inch or lb. Anybody care to help me troubleshoot what I could be missing? View Quote Are you just looking at the number on the scale? If you are lifting and recovering you are likely putting on muscle that is replacing fat that is being burnt. If you have a tape get bi-weekly measurements and plug them into a BF% calculator (check out a naval method one) and go based off of that number instead of the scale. It’s not perfect, but it gets your mind looking at body composition change versus a combined number like total body weight which doesn’t always tell the whole picture. Failing that, take progress photos of yourself in the same settings and compare. The photos will show changes over time as well. If you stall, look at changing your lift routine to something you aren’t conditioned to. Like if you’ve been on a powerlifting kick for a few months, do those lifts once a week to maintain and on the other 3 do more of a bodybuilding or work capacity program with a different rep scheme. You can also vary your caloric intake as well, as your body will stall with diet in the same way that it will with a lifting program. I’ve seen some folks have good results with a heavy lifting routine + clean bulk (+10% over maintenance) for a few months then gradually pull back on the calories for following months. And finally, have you discussed your weight/fat loss goals with the Dr who prescribed HRT? I know men have it easy in this regard as when we get on TRT the fat just comes off on its own. I’m ignorant as to the relationship the different female hormones have regarding body composition, your Dr would be a good person to ask about hormonal therapy and it’s effects on weight loss, and he might be able to tweak dosage to help you along. Hope some of that helps. |
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To add to what _DR said, 500 cal deficit as determined by ?
Actual calories, burned and consumed, are difficult to estimate let alone calculate accurately (without going to some pretty extreme measures). Additionally, losing 5-8% BF from a baseline of ? Losing 5-8% of you are at 25-30…easy. If you are at 15-20…extremely difficult: the law of diminishing returns. To also add to _DR’s prisoner comment, I have operated (operationally, of course) in some pretty austere environments and was surprised at how little caloric intake on which I was able to survive without losing much BF in the beginning, nor much muscle mass until much later on. The theory behind this was explained to me as: your body has a genetically determined %BF that it is trying to attain/maintain…above this % and your metabolism is relatively inefficient. Below this % and your body begins to tune your metabolism, making it more efficient in an attempt to maintain its desired %BF…again, the law of diminishing returns. Google Leptin. The leanest I have been in recent times was when the gyms closed due to CoVID. We had our backyard gym (tires, hammers, sand bags, ammo cans, etc.) but my primary exercise became spinning…5X/week. I dropped well into the single digit BF range without trying to do so or even realizing it. It was simply a result of a somewhat restricted diet due to operational realties and c*a*r*d*i*o. Just my $0.02…good luck. |
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All of the above.
How long have you been on this fitness trend? Women tend to make muscle then lose fat, so the scale isn't going to budge for a while. Plus, 3500 calories is a lot of working out. Like, running 30ish miles. |
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Hi, you need more data from your body in order to come up with a plan that will allow you to achieve your goal. If you haven't you need to use a body composition analyzer (your gym likely has one). I use the In Body machine at my gym. It will tell you all details for what you have going on and then can use it to see results from trying different things and have a better idea of what workout plan you should use.
I am also on HRT (for the rest of my life) and consider it a good thing as we will always have the right amount of hormones and less likely to go through menopause. I have been using a personal trainer over the past 5 months and one thing that was stressed was to lift lighter for more reps to burn fat and tone up combined with cardio. Lifting heavy won't get you to where you want to be. The only area I lift heavy (for a feminine shape) is glutes and hips, everything else is light and lots of reps to tone. I also include 3 to 4 hours per week of cardio. I hope that helps. |
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Quoted: Sometimes when you have done everything you can, its time to seek professional help. Ask around for a trainer or dietician in your area that’s more geared towards your goals. Someone that may run some labs (cortisol, thyroid, etc), ask questions you didn’t think of, and put you on an individualized program. These people are experts, utilize them. Or you can use the advice here. It’ll always be “you need a calorie deficit,” and that is all! And the added anecdotal evidence of POWs in Vietnam, clearly that is your exact situation. View Quote You can make fun, but it's math. |
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Quoted: Are you just looking at the number on the scale? If you are lifting and recovering you are likely putting on muscle that is replacing fat that is being burnt. If you have a tape get bi-weekly measurements and plug them into a BF% calculator (check out a naval method one) and go based off of that number instead of the scale. It’s not perfect, but it gets your mind looking at body composition change versus a combined number like total body weight which doesn’t always tell the whole picture. Failing that, take progress photos of yourself in the same settings and compare. The photos will show changes over time as well. If you stall, look at changing your lift routine to something you aren’t conditioned to. Like if you’ve been on a powerlifting kick for a few months, do those lifts once a week to maintain and on the other 3 do more of a bodybuilding or work capacity program with a different rep scheme. You can also vary your caloric intake as well, as your body will stall with diet in the same way that it will with a lifting program. I’ve seen some folks have good results with a heavy lifting routine + clean bulk (+10% over maintenance) for a few months then gradually pull back on the calories for following months. And finally, have you discussed your weight/fat loss goals with the Dr who prescribed HRT? I know men have it easy in this regard as when we get on TRT the fat just comes off on its own. I’m ignorant as to the relationship the different female hormones have regarding body composition, your Dr would be a good person to ask about hormonal therapy and it’s effects on weight loss, and he might be able to tweak dosage to help you along. Hope some of that helps. View Quote Great points and I appreciate that you hit on them. I do not care about what the weight on the scale says. I use that number more to troubleshoot which foods are causing bloat and water retention than anything else. I put on muscle FAST thanks to the Test, so I know I'm getting stronger. It's my inches that I'm most concerned with. I take progress pictures every Sunday for the last 4 years. I do a body scan once a month and my numbers really haven't moved in the last year. HRT and cervical cancer/removal are really when my issues started kicking in I just switched up my workout routine this week. Food-wise, I might need to switch that up. Food prep is truly a must for me or I will go days without eating because I forget. My doctors all think it's stress related. :-/ |
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Quoted: My job is very sedentary, but after that 8-10 hours (even in the middle some days), I'm definitely putting in the work. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO_PNG-2293644.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO2_PNG-2293647.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/wo3_PNG-2293648.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/CALS_PNG-2293650.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: All things considered, 1 pound of fat is 3500 calories. If you go into a consistent calorie deficit compared to what you are burning you will lose, and if you go into a consistent calorie surplus compared to what you are burning, you will gain. All dietary facts and metabolism issues cannot change this. If you are not losing, you cannot actually be in a consistent calorie deficit. Prisoners of war in Viet Nam proved this. Some dropped 40% of their body weight or more simply from calorie deficit, even though they were confined and had little or no activity. At the end of the day, it's calories in, and calories out. Maybe you are not burning as many calories as you think you are, or maybe you are taking in more calories than you think you are? My job is very sedentary, but after that 8-10 hours (even in the middle some days), I'm definitely putting in the work. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO_PNG-2293644.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO2_PNG-2293647.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/wo3_PNG-2293648.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/CALS_PNG-2293650.png In all seriousness can you increase the calorie deficit to account for error in calculation, until you see results? |
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Quoted: Hi, you need more data from your body in order to come up with a plan that will allow you to achieve your goal. If you haven't you need to use a body composition analyzer (your gym likely has one). I use the In Body machine at my gym. It will tell you all details for what you have going on and then can use it to see results from trying different things and have a better idea of what workout plan you should use. I am also on HRT (for the rest of my life) and consider it a good thing as we will always have the right amount of hormones and less likely to go through menopause. I have been using a personal trainer over the past 5 months and one thing that was stressed was to lift lighter for more reps to burn fat and tone up combined with cardio. Lifting heavy won't get you to where you want to be. The only area I lift heavy (for a feminine shape) is glutes and hips, everything else is light and lots of reps to tone. I also include 3 to 4 hours per week of cardio. I hope that helps. View Quote Yeah... Strong is definitely where I want to be. I'll give up lifting heavy when I'm physically incapable of doing so or I'm dead. It is 100% my stress relief from life. |
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And for $30 and up, get a(n electronic) scale that measures %BF.
It may not be extremely accurate but will give you a trend. |
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Quoted: The lowest I can go without having my brain short circuit is 1500/cals a day. View Quote I did a year eating 1500 calories per day and lost 62 lbs but I wasn’t working out. Adding a workout to that would cause my brain to blue screen. It may sound counterintuitive but your body needs fuel to function so I would eat at least what calories your body needs to properly function but make it lower fats and high protein. You then have the fuel to gain muscle and burn fat. |
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In all seriousness, if you want to drop weight, go backpacking.
Take 7 days, grab a tent, sleeping bag, stove…bunch of mountain house…and walk/eat/sleep for 7 days in someplace cool. You will return 10-15 pounds lighter. Make it steep terrain. |
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Quoted: In all seriousness, if you want to drop weight, go backpacking. Take 7 days, grab a tent, sleeping bag, stove…bunch of mountain house…and walk/eat/sleep for 7 days in someplace cool. You will return 10-15 pounds lighter. Make it steep terrain. View Quote I actually started training to do this during the summer with my boys. my active rest days are 60 mins uphill on the treadmill. it sucks, for now. |
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Quoted: Long story short, I've hit a major wall. I'm 36, on HRT due to some major issues and will remain there for the rest of my life. I carb cycle at a 500 cal deficit, get in an easy 100-120 oz of water a day, lift heavy 4 days a week, active rest 2 days a week, one cheat meal every 2 weeks. And I have not budged a single inch or lb. Anybody care to help me troubleshoot what I could be missing? View Quote Fast for a week. |
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Quoted: I put on muscle FAST thanks to the Test, so I know I'm getting stronger View Quote Are you referring to testosterone? If so are you ftm transitioning? There is a female trainer at my gym that is on test and is a beast. She is loving it but not wanting to transition just have a male’ish physique. Her face is looking more male these days though. |
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Quoted: Are you referring to testosterone? If so are you ftm transitioning? There is a female trainer at my gym that is on test and is a beast. She is loving it but not wanting to transition just have a male’ish physique. Her face is looking more male these days though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I put on muscle FAST thanks to the Test, so I know I'm getting stronger Are you referring to testosterone? If so are you ftm transitioning? There is a female trainer at my gym that is on test and is a beast. She is loving it but not wanting to transition just have a male’ish physique. Her face is looking more male these days though. uuuhhhh, Nope. I'm female and have no desire to be anything other than female. My body does not create testosterone, and though women don't need anywhere near as much T as men, it is still necessary. I am on a low dose just to bring my levels up to the "normal" range of women. |
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Quoted: uuuhhhh, Nope. I'm female and have no desire to be anything other than female. My body does not create testosterone, and though women don't need anywhere near as much T as men, it is still necessary. I am on a low dose just to bring my levels up to the "normal" range of women. View Quote Oh ok I got ya! |
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Quoted: The lowest I can go without having my brain short circuit is 1500/cals a day. View Quote |
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Quoted: Long story short, I've hit a major wall. I'm 36, on HRT due to some major issues and will remain there for the rest of my life. I carb cycle at a 500 cal deficit, get in an easy 100-120 oz of water a day, lift heavy 4 days a week, active rest 2 days a week, one cheat meal every 2 weeks. And I have not budged a single inch or lb. Anybody care to help me troubleshoot what I could be missing? View Quote @strawberry_snaps A lot of people don't realize muscle weighs more than fat. So you can be burning fat and look thinner but actually be heavier, but a healthier heavy because it's muscle. I would avoid looking at the number and concentrate on how you feel and look. Have you ever posted a pic here? |
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Quoted: All things considered, 1 pound of fat is 3500 calories. If you go into a consistent calorie deficit compared to what you are burning you will lose, and if you go into a consistent calorie surplus compared to what you are burning, you will gain. All dietary facts and metabolism issues cannot change this. If you are not losing, you cannot actually be in a consistent calorie deficit. Prisoners of war in Viet Nam proved this. Some dropped 40% of their body weight or more simply from calorie deficit, even though they were confined and had little or no activity. At the end of the day, it's calories in, and calories out. Maybe you are not burning as many calories as you think you are, or maybe you are taking in more calories than you think you are? View Quote This is my understanding also. A food calorie is like a therm or other measure of energy potential. Your daily 500 calorie deficit will result in losing 1 pound per week. Doesn't seem like much, but that's how the weight was added also, +500 calories adds weight. Besides, 50 pounds lost in a year is a lot if you can stick to it. All the BS you hear and read about different foods calories being used by your body must be for people who's average temp is not 98.6 or so. Your intake fuels your heat generation. |
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Sounds like you are doing well
and are being to hard on yourself. JHC. |
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Honestly, mix in an hour or two of VIGOROUS cardio 3-4 times per week. Not a casual jog.... gasping for breath cardio.
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I sort of like the hiking option someone had indicated. Do about 2 - 5 miles each day, every day over hilly area.
This should allow the body to adjust to a constant workload without too much stress. |
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My wife is about 5'6" with an office job.
When she cuts it has to be 1000-1200 calories a day. If you aren't losing with your current deficit, you probably have to cut more calories. Are you weighing all your food? |
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Quoted: My job is very sedentary, but after that 8-10 hours (even in the middle some days), I'm definitely putting in the work. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO_PNG-2293644.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO2_PNG-2293647.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/wo3_PNG-2293648.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/CALS_PNG-2293650.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: All things considered, 1 pound of fat is 3500 calories. If you go into a consistent calorie deficit compared to what you are burning you will lose, and if you go into a consistent calorie surplus compared to what you are burning, you will gain. All dietary facts and metabolism issues cannot change this. If you are not losing, you cannot actually be in a consistent calorie deficit. Prisoners of war in Viet Nam proved this. Some dropped 40% of their body weight or more simply from calorie deficit, even though they were confined and had little or no activity. At the end of the day, it's calories in, and calories out. Maybe you are not burning as many calories as you think you are, or maybe you are taking in more calories than you think you are? My job is very sedentary, but after that 8-10 hours (even in the middle some days), I'm definitely putting in the work. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO_PNG-2293644.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/WO2_PNG-2293647.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/wo3_PNG-2293648.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/83987/CALS_PNG-2293650.png If I'm reading this right, you're squatting 240 lbs, deadlifting 345 lbs, and doing 365 lb hip thrusters. Congrats, those are exceptional numbers for a female. Do you have a PL background? Don't really like your program though. I like push/pull and hitting each muscle group twice a week. Do you have thyroid issues and thus the T? Pics would help, but in general women carry their weight in their hips and legs. If your doing those numbers, over development of these muscle groups could be why you're not losing weight assuming your getting 1 g protein per lb of body fat. |
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Quoted: If I'm reading this right, you're squatting 240 lbs, deadlifting 345 lbs, and doing 365 lb hip thrusters. Congrats, those are exceptional numbers for a female. Do you have a PL background? Don't really like your program though. I like push/pull and hitting each muscle group twice a week. Do you have thyroid issues and thus the T? Pics would help, but in general women carry their weight in their hips and legs. If your doing those numbers, over development of these muscle groups could be why you're not losing weight assuming your getting 1 g protein per lb of body fat. View Quote Chest press is 195 too. This is a switch up cycle for me so not my normal. He's switching quite a bit up. For instance, I prefer conventional deadlifts and he has me doing sumos DLs this whole block. Up by 3:30 am, at the gym by 4am. Workout plus cardio takes about 2 hours. Then another walk before bed at 8:30pm. My legs are my favorite body part. I carry all my weight in my torso. And yes, I have significate thyriod issues. I take meds twice daily for it. |
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Quoted: Chest press is 195 too. This is a switch up cycle for me so not my normal. He's switching quite a bit up. For instance, I prefer conventional deadlifts and he has me doing sumos DLs this whole block. Up by 3:30 am, at the gym by 4am. Workout plus cardio takes about 2 hours. Then another walk before bed at 8:30pm. My legs are my favorite body part. I carry all my weight in my torso. And yes, I have significate thyriod issues. I take meds twice daily for it. View Quote Ugh! Sumos...never seen the point. You are pulling over a shorter distance than a conventional deadlift. |
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The bottom line is this: If you're not losing weight, you're eating too many calories. People underestimate their intake and overestimate their calorie expenditure. Yes, this includes people that weigh everything and read labels.
Cut 200 calories from your diet and see what happens. |
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Interesting article:
https://hypothyroidmom.com/10-tips-to-lose-weight-with-a-low-thyroid-problem/ |
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You are eating too much.
Stop eating so much and you will lose weight. |
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If you have been at a 500 calorie deficit for too long your body might adjust to that as the new normal. I read about a woman who was down to eating only 1200 calories a day for years and she was still "fat." She stopped losing weight because her metabolism adjusted to it. Eating even 1800 calories caused weight gain so she would immediately go back to 1200 calories a day. When your metabolism is that messed up you have to fix that first and that means eating the correct amount of calories, even if it means your body will put on a few pounds of fat for a year as it readjusts your metabolism to normal.
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Quoted: Long story short, I've hit a major wall. I'm 36, on HRT due to some major issues and will remain there for the rest of my life. I carb cycle at a 500 cal deficit, get in an easy 100-120 oz of water a day, lift heavy 4 days a week, active rest 2 days a week, one cheat meal every 2 weeks. And I have not budged a single inch or lb. Anybody care to help me troubleshoot what I could be missing? View Quote Woman-related hormonal issues? |
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