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Posted: 2/18/2015 8:50:46 AM EDT
You have 100 rounds to shoot.
You are at a range that does not allow to fire from the holster or shoot rapid fire, (1 round every 3 seconds). Your training plan? |
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Go find a range that shoots IDPA. If that's not an option. Find a position in your draw stroke and start from there. One shot center mass. All shots have to be in the X box. Head shots will work too. Youy could do a semi failure to stop drill . 1st shot center mass 2nd shot head.
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You have 100 rounds to shoot. You are at a range that does not allow to fire from the holster or shoot rapid fire, (1 round every 3 seconds). Your training plan? View Quote Slide lock and tac reloads. |
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10 eye target
That with various stuff mixed in (slide lock and tac reloads as discussed above). Start at 3-5 yards with both hands, then switch to strong hand/support hand only. Then move back if you're doing well. |
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I ask every year or so to see if there are any other ideas, lessons learned or new thoughts on the subject.
I'm tied to the range I have and no way to travel to other areas. I do participate in IDPA but its only once a month and range then goes back to strict polices. |
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I ask every year or so to see if there are any other ideas, lessons learned or new thoughts on the subject. I'm tied to the range I have and no way to travel to other areas. I do participate in IDPA but its only once a month and range then goes back to strict polices. View Quote I actually had your original thread bookmarked for ideas. |
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I'd go find a different range. View Quote My first reaction as well. If there is one drill I want to practice with limited rounds, it is draw and shoot from concealed carry in retention position for accuracy, then follow-up shots for multiple attackers. I then work the drill into the 2-threat Mozambique drill. Draw and shoot from concealment in retention position 2 rounds into A zone of Threat 1, Mozambique into Threat 2, back to head on Threat 1 for accuracy and time, scan asses, combat reload. Indoor ranges are usually only good for target practice fundamentals, since they don't want every yahoo blasting the place up and shooting themselves. If the indoor range is all you have, work fundamentals one-handed. Bring the target in close, and practice retention for accuracy. |
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I would put up some small targets and practice from the low ready. Load mags with one round and do slide lock reload drills.
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good drill
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View Quote I'm actually trying this tomorrow. |
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View Quote Shit hot. Thanks for posting this: I'm going to do this on Friday. |
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I would use only fifty and practice with my j-frame (but any revolver will do). Load 5 (5rd cylinder) Shoot double action only and follow through with each shot. Then leave all but one case in cylinder (you need to do this as you can cheat and see there is no brass in an empty chamber), load one live round, spin and close cylinder and play Russian roulette with your target. This is a great tool for shooters who anticipate recoil. If you get four dry fires in a row you know # 5 will be hot. Just spin the cylinder again and start over. I also do this with my S&W 617 when teaching new shooters. The other route is to load all but one chamber with live rounds and one with a spent casing. You would be surprised what this will teach most shooters. Also, don't shoot a bulls-eye target, turn it around and shoot center of mass on a blank sheet. Watch front sight and don't aim at your last shots. Keep only the front sight in focus, back sight and target should be slightly blurry. Blah blah blah.
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Not being able to draw from the holster or rapid fire will severely limit your training but it isn't the end of the world.
I'd say first and foremost start with precision shooting. Make sure you and your gear are dialed in. Start from the neutral (compressed) ready and push out. Fire 5 rounds while extended. 4x (20rds total) From the neutral position, extend out with intent. Fire one round. 10x (10rds total) From the neutral position (loaded chamber, empty mag), extend out with intent. Fire one round, reload, fire one round 10x (20rds total) From the neutral position, Primary Hand Only, extend out with intent. Fire one round. 10x (10rds total) From the neutral position, Primary Hand Only, extend out with intent. Fire five rounds. 2x (10rds total) From the neutral position (empty chamber, loaded mag), extend out with intent. Fire (misfire) one round, Tap/Rack/Bang 5x (5rds total) From the neutral position, Support Hand Only, extend out with intent. Fire one round. 10x (10rds total) From the neutral position, Support Hand Only, extend out with intent. Fire five rounds. 1x (5rds total) Finish from the neutral (compressed) ready and push out. Fire 5 rounds while extended. 2x (10rds total) That's just one idea encompassing several of the fundamentals. |
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I teach a lot of new shooters, here's what I use for those with limited materiel support. If you're tied to your range... you're tied. I included this to potentially spark some thoughts. Use a table-top or the low ready instead of a holster for these:
1. 10x "1+0" (Not Timed) - 1 round, no magazine. Single shot plus dry-fire; address trigger press and track sights throughout, call all shots. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. 2. 10x Slowfire (Not Timed) - Call all shots. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. 3. 10x "1+1" (Not Timed) - 1 shot, reload, 1 shot. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. Two magazines; one heavy for reloading, no dummies. 4. 10x "1+1" (Timed) - 1 shot, reload, 1 shot. Timed. IDPA/USPSA cardboard at 5-7 meters. Six magazines; one heavy for reloading, no dummies. 5. 10x Draw-and-Shoot (Not Timed) - 1 shot from the holster. Not timed. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. 6. 10x Draw-and-Shoot (Timed) - 1 shot from the holster. Timed. IDPA/USPSA cardboard at 5-7 meters. 7. 10x Turn-and-Shoot (Not Timed) - Turn, PID, Draw, and Shoot. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. 8. 10x Turn-and-Shoot (Timed) - Turn, PID, Draw, and Shoot. IDPA/USPSA cardboard at 5-7 meters. 9. 10x Push-and-Shoot (Not Timed) - Push, Draw, and Shoot. IDPA/USPSA cardboard at .5 meters. Cool-Down: 10x Support Hand Only or Walk-Back Drill x10 Support Hand Only (Not Timed) - Call all shots. 2" target on cardboard at 5-7 meters. Walk-Back (Not Timed) - 1 shot standing, 6" steel gong at 15 meters; move away from target @ 2 meters until failure. *furthest distance starts Walk Back next session. If you can't move due to range restrictions, make individual targets of increasingly smaller circles (not a bullseye target). Here's why I say that: your brain interprets concentric circles pretty easily. You will naturally want to center your activity on that concentric circle pattern. Aiming at a bullseye gives you a lot of information as to where the middle is. To make it more realistic, deny your brain that additional information. If you get really good, you're going o end up playing "chase the bullet hole" and try to land your next shot on your last one (which also a great way to determine trigger and aiming trends by the way). I know you stipulated a few "rules". I am assuming you're a reasonable, disciplined, and motivated person and have found a better place to shoot, even if it's an hour drive one-way. At worst, it's three hours a week for training that is purportedly deliberate, specific, and meaningful. If it is not, you need to revisit why you are shooting drills. Shoot outside whenever possible, it's better for your health. Also; video capture when possible (or at least journal) to assess and track progress. This set is scalable for most shooters, if you can only afford a box of 50 rounds, drop the pieces you don't need. It also gives the shooter more ownership over their practice when away from the range. It leads-off directly from dry-fire and can immediately validate or invalidate that dry-fire practice. Also, the cool-down leads a deliberate transition away from scenario-based drills and back to a more staid and static practice that winds a shooter down, but leaves a useful and meaningful goal for the next range session. |
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View Quote Glad I stumbled across this. This is going into my training. |
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You have 100 rounds to shoot. You are at a range that does not allow to fire from the holster or shoot rapid fire, (1 round every 3 seconds). Your training plan? View Quote practice dry fire and draw at home as well as reloads. At the range, you actually have an advantage, you have no choice but to go slow. I would aim to shoot one hole groups. |
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Does anyone know where to get the target used in the Venti 100 drill? I've searched and can't find a source...It seems it's no longer available from the Haley website. Or, maybe you'd have to register to be able to find this target from inside their site? Hummmm...
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They are still on the website. It's a a small bar that says something about targets on it halfway down. It's still on there
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Wow, old post started back up again.
Any thoughts or ideas always welcome. |
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I'll flip the target over and draw circles randomly with a sharpie. Try to hit the dots. If you have a second person, number the dots, then have the second person call out numbers.
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I actually do a modified "DOT TORTURE" drill in my basic FIRST™ class. Instead of drawing from a holster, I'll have students begin, and come back to, the "Chest 1" position, also called "Compressed High Ready", "Compressed Chest Ready", "Compressed High Search"....etc. One drill is 50 rounds.
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