Posted: 6/6/2010 7:05:21 PM EDT
| Just signed up for my first Appleseed shoot. Not till August, little ways out, but still very excited. Looking to learn. Any tips or suggestions on what to bring, other than rifles, ammo, sling, etc. |
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Texas in August? Sunscreen, water, and a hat! You probably thought of that, though. Since you'll be doing much of your shooting (>50%) prone, I'd recommend some sort of elbow pads (not the hard plastic tactical type, as they can slide around on whatever you're lying down on, but some of the fabric ones you find in the sports department). Oh, and if your sights require any special tool for adjustments, don't forget one of those. |
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I just picked this up last weekend http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8831/riflemanpatch.jpg Good job. That's not an easy prize. |
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I just picked this up last weekend http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8831/riflemanpatch.jpg Good job. That's not an easy prize. Thanks! It was tough! I had a good time at my first A.S. with my only complaint was so much talking. But I understand - there were a bunch of kids and new shooters. |
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I just picked this up last weekend http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8831/riflemanpatch.jpg Good job. That's not an easy prize. Thanks! It was tough! I had a good time at my first A.S. with my only complaint was so much talking. But I understand - there were a bunch of kids and new shooters. Instruction is good. I attended a shoot about a month ago... had been shooting "Rifleman" scores in practice consistently with multiple rifles, scopes, irons, bulk ammo, etc. Shot "Rifleman" on the first AQT that day - 217 score with no scope, no sling, bulk ammo, no mods to the rifle. I listened closely and picked up some pointers... two pointers from instructors who did not shoot as high of scores as I did that weekend. |
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I just picked this up last weekend http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8831/riflemanpatch.jpg Good job. That's not an easy prize. Thanks! It was tough! I had a good time at my first A.S. with my only complaint was so much talking. But I understand - there were a bunch of kids and new shooters. Instruction is good. I attended a shoot about a month ago... had been shooting "Rifleman" scores in practice consistently with multiple rifles, scopes, irons, bulk ammo, etc. Shot "Rifleman" on the first AQT that day - 217 score with no scope, no sling, bulk ammo, no mods to the rifle. I listened closely and picked up some pointers... two pointers from instructors who did not shoot as high of scores as I did that weekend. Instruction is in deed good - all the extra bull crap and mindless chatter takes away practice time for what you were just taught. |
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The training is good, but a whole lot more instruction could be taught if not for the history lesson. I love U.S. history, but I believe the history lesson could be taught in a more condensed form, and concentrate on more rifle instruction.
People come from quite a distance looking for Basic Rifle Marksmanship Instruction...I just believe that these folks would be better served with more instruction, more shooting, and less history lesson. I believe in Appleseed, and want it to grow, nothing wrong with constructive criticism. By the way, I was awarded the Rifleman Patch at my first Appleseed. |
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Heh, the history is their primary goal, not the marksmanship. The first one I went to I really didn't pay any attention to the history but the second one I went to I got a ton from this history. I could pay probably pay more attention to it after knowing I could shoot a tad bit better at the second.
As far as things to bring, keep it simple. Their list will get you 99% of the way there. I bring candy for when its later and I need a quick pick me up. Lots of people either don't bring enough water or don't drink enough and you can tell at the end of a day its wearing on them. If you keep water next to your ammo and drink every time you reload you wont' have this problem. If you have a backup rifle bring that just in case but again, they usually have loaners and your primary probably won't break. If you want to start ahead of the game, get a decent sizing set up on your sling. If you have a web sling pencil the sling locations onto the sling. This will allow it to erase off but that way when you get to the Appleseed you can try it out, and if the instruction has lead you to use a different style you can erase it but if you like it, you're that far ahead of the game and you can just permanent marker the proper position. Be prepared to have a ton of fun and learn a bunch. They're a great group of people. |
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Bring lots of water, bug spray, and make sure all your ammo is what you have your rifle zero'd in with.
A staple gun with lots of extra staples for it A folding chair for the three history sessions, which I enjoyed a lot. I didn't think it detracted at all, quite the opposite. |
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No idea what your level of experience is, but I'd recommend a magazine fed semi-automatic rifle, with tech sights, a sling, and a few extra magazines. I used the 10/22, I know plenty of people use one of the Marlins, some people are using AR-15's with conversion kits. Make sure whatever you bring is sighted in, runs well, properly lubricated, etc, and you've got tools to work on it if you need to. It starts out pretty slow the first day as they teach and go over the history, but the second day you're going to be shooting almost non-stop, and malfunctions will cost you valuable training time.
Don't worry about whether you score rifleman or not –– just listen carefully, apply what you're taught, ask questions if you don't understand something. |
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Heh, the history is their primary goal, not the marksmanship. The first one I went to I really didn't pay any attention to the history but the second one I went to I got a ton from this history. I could pay probably pay more attention to it after knowing I could shoot a tad bit better at the second. As far as things to bring, keep it simple. Their list will get you 99% of the way there. I bring candy for when its later and I need a quick pick me up. Lots of people either don't bring enough water or don't drink enough and you can tell at the end of a day its wearing on them. If you keep water next to your ammo and drink every time you reload you wont' have this problem. If you have a backup rifle bring that just in case but again, they usually have loaners and your primary probably won't break. If you want to start ahead of the game, get a decent sizing set up on your sling. If you have a web sling pencil the sling locations onto the sling. This will allow it to erase off but that way when you get to the Appleseed you can try it out, and if the instruction has lead you to use a different style you can erase it but if you like it, you're that far ahead of the game and you can just permanent marker the proper position. Be prepared to have a ton of fun and learn a bunch. They're a great group of people. Yup, AS is a history lesson with some shooting mixed in. The story is what we focus on, even though we spend more time teaching shooting. (I'm an instructor) THE most important thing to bring is a TEACHABLE ATTITUDE!!!! Show up thinking you know everything, you'll have little chance at making Rifleman. Show up ready to try it our way, you've got a good chance. I'm not saying you can't show up and click off a 210+, but it's unlikely. We see many people show up insisting they "know how to shoot" and then just get frustrated all day because they can't hit the number while the 12 year old girl next to them is smoking them. :D Our way works, it's been proven years ago, just most people have forgotten it (or were never taught it) Listen to the history, my favorite part is the "Dangerous Old Men" stories. |
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The history? How many folks today have taken the time to read about what was going on in New England at that time (I say New England because that is where it started)?
The people were mostly religious and law abiding. They felt like they were loyal English citizens living in English colonies under the protection of English laws and English military protection. What they came to understand, over a period of years, was that while they did feel like they were loyal English citizens the rest of it was not so. The English military could arrest you without cause. They could enter your home or you business and search for "contraband" and then seize it and destroy it without having to compensate the owner. What was contraband? Anything the English officers felt was contraband. You have two oxen to plow your fields but you have two sets of yokes/harness? One set is contraband. You have 6 members in your family but you have enough flour in your building for 40 people? Contraband. You have a whole barrel of black powder? 1/2 to 3/4 is contraband. The purpose of the many militia companies (there might be several militia compaines in a given area as it was based on population) was to protect the lives and property of the colonists from Indians, French military/traders and/or outlaws. Why were militia companies formed? Because the colonists had learned over the years that the best way to insure their defense was NOT the English military troops but themselves. There's a really good book out there (public domain so it can be read off the internet or downloaded to your PC) that is called The battle of April 19, 1775, in Lexington, Concord, Lincoln, Arlington, Cambridge, Somerville and Charlestown, Massachusetts by Frank Warren Coburn. It opened my eyes as no other book I've read about how the colonists were treated that day. More women and childred were killed than armed militia men by the English redcoats. The redcoats robbed homes, murdered people sitting in pubs drinking, burned homes down to cover up the murder and robbery they commited. And they did it with the support of their officers who looked the other way while these crimes were committed as a way of punishing the colonists for daring to stand up to the English military. It lists by name and amount the money the colonists believed they were owed to replace their stolen goods and burned homes/propery. Awesome book. and can be downloaded here http://www.archive.org/details/battleapril00coburich |
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Appleseed was and is an American Heritage program with a pretty good shooting program attached. As to the talking and new shooters. This is an ongoing thing with AS. I have to agree with a focus on new shooters. Sorry, but it is better to have one or two experienced shooters bothered by the slow process than to turn off 10 new shooters by going to fast. If the speed of instruction and/or heritage bothers you that much skip saturday after your first one and go sunday only. I have been to two saturday only. The first one I got a little bored in that I all ready knew the history part (though watching peoples reactions is interesting) and learned how to use a sling a long time ago. But I still learned or refreshed my memory on stuff. The second shoot I wound up not shooting and helped the instructors with gofer stuff as there were a ton of new shooters and I did not want to take away from their experience and enjoyment. The only way to safe guard the second amendment is to grow the number of people not only into shooting but who understand its role in our heritage. This is why I donate to the 4H shooting sports and support appleseed. |
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Quoted: A few points: Appleseed was and is an American Heritage program with a pretty good shooting program attached. As to the talking and new shooters. This is an ongoing thing with AS. I have to agree with a focus on new shooters. Sorry, but it is better to have one or two experienced shooters bothered by the slow process than to turn off 10 new shooters by going to fast. If the speed of instruction and/or heritage bothers you that much skip saturday after your first one and go sunday only. I have been to two saturday only. The first one I got a little bored in that I all ready knew the history part (though watching peoples reactions is interesting) and learned how to use a sling a long time ago. But I still learned or refreshed my memory on stuff. The second shoot I wound up not shooting and helped the instructors with gofer stuff as there were a ton of new shooters and I did not want to take away from their experience and enjoyment. The only way to safe guard the second amendment is to grow the number of people not only into shooting but who understand its role in our heritage. This is why I donate to the 4H shooting sports and support appleseed. Ding, ding, ding! Winnah! |
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I am very well read in U.S. History, especially in military matters.....probably why I would rather be shooting, than listening to a history lesson. There are lot's of books on the American Revolution I could recommend for some really fine reading.
I could also make a very strong case for Rifle Marksmanship centered around the U.S. Civil War, or as some of us southerners call the "War of Northern Aggression". Not knocking Appleseed or the RWVA, which I am a member of, but as Fred has said "it's time to get off the couch"....that also goes for educating yourself, and cracking open a book about our history, and not relying on someone else to tell you what are history was. |
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Get to the range beforehand and work the bugs out of your rifle. Make sure that it is sighted-in, make sure that the ammo that you have feeds well and is accurate enough. Bring an extra magazine or two. Appleseed changed my perception of 'acceptable accuracy'. I used to say "this gun shoots better than I do" a lot. Now, I don't say that. |
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A few points: Appleseed was and is an American Heritage program with a pretty good shooting program attached. As to the talking and new shooters. This is an ongoing thing with AS. I have to agree with a focus on new shooters. Sorry, but it is better to have one or two experienced shooters bothered by the slow process than to turn off 10 new shooters by going to fast. If the speed of instruction and/or heritage bothers you that much skip saturday after your first one and go sunday only. I have been to two saturday only. The first one I got a little bored in that I all ready knew the history part (though watching peoples reactions is interesting) and learned how to use a sling a long time ago. But I still learned or refreshed my memory on stuff. The second shoot I wound up not shooting and helped the instructors with gofer stuff as there were a ton of new shooters and I did not want to take away from their experience and enjoyment. The only way to safe guard the second amendment is to grow the number of people not only into shooting but who understand its role in our heritage. This is why I donate to the 4H shooting sports and support appleseed. Ding, ding, ding! Winnah! What's your real agenda? We seek to do three things: teach marksmanship & respect for the tradition of the American rifleman, and preserve the knowledge of our Revolutionary War history.
Friday, March 7, 2008
Part One: Starting Out Courtesy of Fred's M14 Stocks (www.fredsm14stocks.com) We begin today our series on becoming a Rifleman: Every new year, it’s time to take stock, and time to make resolutions. To resolve to do important things you need to do. But how do you know what you need to be doing? You need an anchor –– a framework, a perspective –– to judge what is happening about you, what you want to accomplish, and the effectiveness of your actions. If you get back to basics, to what this country is all about - freedom, individual liberty - and look about you today, you'll soon terrify yourself with what you see. It could be the beginning of your wake-up. Like the guy in "The Matrix", waking up in that artificial womb, controlled by the machines - or like that frog in that rapidly-heating pan of water – you’ll be facing a new world, a world where you realize the wake-up by itself is not enough. You need to get busy if you are going to protect freedom, especially if you’re going to make sure it’s passed on to your kids. Now is when you can set a goal, something to aim for, to work towards and achieve. Sort of a personal AQT - what the AQT targets and Guide do for your shooting, your firm grounding in the American tradition of liberty can do for your life. That goal is to strengthen Liberty. You’ll soon realize that there is a ‘soft’ war raging in America today. You’ll see how the mainstream media lies and distorts – whether it’s the exploding pickup trucks that needed a little "help" from the news crew, the "semi-automatic" rifle fired on full auto to please the anti-gun cable news producers, or the phony memo used by a certain "respected anchorman" last year to try and throw a Presidential election. If you stand for liberty and the American tradition, you’ll see how everything you stand for is under attack by the liberals, using the mainstream media, the entertainment industry, the "public school" educational system, and arrogant lifetime-tenured judges, along with local, state, and Federal government - when they control it. Despite their recent electoral setback, the liberals are still in the cultural and political driver’s seat. They have successfully convinced most Americans that the environment is more important than freedom, that it's a fair trade to surrender personal freedoms and rights for a little more security, and that while we are all equal before the law, some people are more equal than others. Now, in the New Year, with the year barely started, there’s an opportunity for you to add your shoulder to the wheel, to do your part in strengthening American freedom and the American tradition of marksmanship. Now is the time to think about serious things - about being a citizen, and what it means. It's actually long past time to become a citizen, rather than a parasite. It's time to stop being someone who sits back and lives off the efforts of the founders while liberals busily undermine this country and its greatness. It means becoming a man, not that gelding laughed about so much around the dinner table by George III and his boys, as well as their modern statist descendants. It means that you value freedom over promises of "safety", as Ben Franklin warned you to do. It means that you recognize the Bill of Rights not as some historical out-of-date tommyrot written by dead white slaveholders, but the firm and unalterable present-day shield of personal liberty against the state. As JPFO says, "What is needed today is a ‘Bill of Rights Culture’" – see www.jpfo.org. It means that you understand your role in protecting all of the American traditions of personal liberty and responsibility. You know that you, your family, and your friends are the ‘ultimate check-and-balance’ in a system built on checks and balances. It means that you will provide the sword to defend the shield created by the Bill of Rights. It means that you recognize that the time to fight is now, in the ‘soft’ war, through the existing political system– and that only fools would choose to wait until the war against tyranny turns ‘hard’. It means that you understand that the fight is a team fight, that you do not fight alone, that you fight with fellow Americans by your side. You realize that divided amongst ourselves, we will fall, but united, we are unbeatable. It means that you are willing to work – and work hard – to bring back the days where "a man’s home is his castle", where you are a citizen, not a tax-paying serf. But as you shake off your slumber, look where we stand in the battle for freedom in this country. Even the concept - the notion - of a battle for freedom is alien to the dumbed-down, barely conscious American public. Don’t forget –– that ‘public’ is your friends, your family, your co-workers. You’ll need persistence and courage to take the message of Liberty to the "sleepers" – count on it. But the "sleepers" can become part of the solution, if you persist. Their resistance makes all the more important the duty laid on you, in your chosen role of freedom fighter. How do you start protecting freedom? Step one is to learn to shoot well, to qualify as a Rifleman, so as to become proficient in the means of protection for yourself, your family, and your country. Even more importantly, the skills that you develop in becoming a Rifleman – perseverance, discipline, and patience – will serve you well, both in helping others to become Riflemen and in fighting the ‘soft’ political war. Next step is to awaken fellow Americans to the dangers posed by the liberals and their plan of creeping socialism. In the ‘soft war’, you’ll need more than just your one vote to make a difference. You’ll need a team of educated voters who know the American traditions of liberty and are willing to work to restore those ideals. After that, you and your team continue by waking up your politicians and educating them...and if they won't be educated, then work together to replace them. Liberty. It’s a tradition. You keep it alive only if you pass it along. You need to be thinking about how you do it, not only for yourself, but to make up for all those others who are asleep at the switch. It’s your duty to cover for those who will not help to pass Liberty along to the next generation. You begin at the personal level. You educate others - your family, friends, co-workers - to wake them up, to get them out of the cooking pan, and into protecting and saving freedom. It’ll be discouraging –– most of them will just look at you and accuse you of being paranoid. Others will scoff and ask you for your tinfoil hat - but that's why you have to wake them up. Just remember how many good men have died to give you what you have today. Don't give up! And never last, and never least, you get someone down to the range, shooting. You’ll bring someone just like you, some who is hoping for the best, but planning for the worst. Both of you will want get to the range, soon, and finally learn how to shoot. Learn how to shoot – true and fast –– like an American rifleman. Appleseed Project |
