Posted: 2/17/2012 9:00:47 AM EDT
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Last year I had a really good time at an appleseed shoot at which we got to do the full 400-yard range on the final day. I had a blast with my 16" carbine (shot a 198/250 with standard rear sights and a .032" ball front), but this year I wanted to setup a little better rifle. So, I picked up a 20" RRA Hbar and a RRA NM free-float tube, which I threw onto the A2 upper. I also replaced the CAR stock with an A2 stock, so it looks the part of a full-size rifle now. My question for you all is what can I do about the front sling point to make my life easier. It is pretty frustrating to get the sling in just the right spot, and then have to get out of it. It would be much easier to simply unhook the front sling swivel from the rifle and leave the sling on my arm. I know folks with front studs can do that (many folks using 10/22s had them), but will the quick disconnect sling swivels such as this: http://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Mikes-Tri-Lock-Detach-Swivel/dp/B0002IOANI fit in the NM FF tube's sling swivel holes? I would like to be able to just push the pin into the holes, lock it over, shoot my target, and unhook without messing with the sling position. Anybody know??? I hope to pick up a NM rear sight and buttstock weight at some point this winter/spring to help with accuracy some. Any other recommendations for wringing what I can out of it? I'd like to improve my 217/250 score on the short range with it, too. I'm sure the extra sight radius and weight will help tighten up the groups some if I do my part, but is there anything I can do to the rifle to help out? Thanks. |
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My question for you all is what can I do about the front sling point to make my life easier. It is pretty frustrating to get the sling in just the right spot, and then have to get out of it. It would be much easier to simply unhook the front sling swivel from the rifle and leave the sling on my arm. I know folks with front studs can do that (many folks using 10/22s had them), but will the quick disconnect sling swivels such as this: http://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Mikes-Tri-Lock-Detach-Swivel/dp/B0002IOANI fit in the NM FF tube's sling swivel holes? I would like to be able to just push the pin into the holes, lock it over, shoot my target, and unhook without messing with the sling position. Anybody know??? That's an external modification that wouldn't be legal for Service Rifle, if that's the sport you're interested in competing in (this is the Highpower forum after all). Once you learn how to use the sling, you'll find it's not hard to get out of. You'd have to attach the sling in parade configuration for offhand anyway. Any other recommendations for wringing what I can out of it? I'd like to improve my 217/250 score on the short range with it, too. I'm sure the extra sight radius and weight will help tighten up the groups some if I do my part, but is there anything I can do to the rifle to help out? Upgrade to a 2-stage trigger. |
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Immediately after the first course of fire adjust your sling. This can be learned in "practice" at home or on the range. Practice = everything you will use.
Less live ammo at home. High Power is a sport. You need practice the skills. FCG, I'd recommend a CLE. Best bang for the buck on an adjustable FCG |
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Quoted: That's an external modification that wouldn't be legal for Service Rifle, if that's the sport you're interested in competing in (this is the Highpower forum after all). Once you learn how to use the sling, you'll find it's not hard to get out of. You'd have to attach the sling in parade configuration for offhand anyway. Upgrade to a 2-stage trigger. The sling question is simply for making my life easier and speeding up my "down time" between rounds, and not to compete in Service Rifle (I have 6 kids and while I'd love to do so, I just don't have the money or time away from the house to do so). At appleseed shoots, you have to sling/unsling on every round, so while the guys shooting 10/22's simply unclip their front sling swivel and start reloading mags, I'm loosening the sling, pulling it off my arm, laying the rifle down, finally loading my mags, and then after they call for "Load and make ready XX rounds", I'm slinging up again... Just trying to not make folks wait on me. As far as the trigger goes, I've modified the stock FCG and lower using a couple of set screws using this post as a starter for my mods: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/457823__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Trigger_Wow__RANGE_REPORT.html. I also installed a set screw into the lower receiver so that the screw's tip contacts the front edge of the trigger bar, so I can eliminate over-travel with it. I also had to grind a touch off of the tail of the trigger to get as much creep out of it as I wanted and still allow the safety to be put in the safe position. Otherwise, it contacted the selector in such a way that wouldn't allow it to be put in safe. Anyway, after those mods, bobbing the tail off of the hammer to lighten it, and getting some lighter springs, the trigger breaks right at 4 lbs 10 ounces with a total trigger pull of about 1/8" as measured from the tip of the trigger. My LMT two-stage in my 24" rifle breaks at 4 lbs 8 ounces with a lot more length of trigger pull, so for what it is (modded stock parts), it works pretty well on a budget. |
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The sling question is simply for making my life easier and speeding up my "down time" between rounds, and not to compete in Service Rifle (I have 6 kids and while I'd love to do so, I just don't have the money or time away from the house to do so). At appleseed shoots, you have to sling/unsling on every round, so while the guys shooting 10/22's simply unclip their front sling swivel and start reloading mags, I'm loosening the sling, pulling it off my arm, laying the rifle down, finally loading my mags, and then after they call for "Load and make ready XX rounds", I'm slinging up again... Just trying to not make folks wait on me. You can buy a sling hook from Champions Shooters Supply. Simpler than pulling a pin. |
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rob99rt, are you using the web sling like they teach in Appleseed? If so, do like I did with the one I installed on the LTR I teach with. I got a second clip and threaded the front part through it. When I'm shooting or instructing and need to out the sling on my arm, I unclip it from both swivels, put it around my arm, reattach the front clip to the sling swivel and adjust the length to the marked position.
Marty |
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Quoted: rob99rt, are you using the web sling like they teach in Appleseed? If so, do like I did with the one I installed on the LTR I teach with. I got a second clip and threaded the front part through it. When I'm shooting or instructing and need to out the sling on my arm, I unclip it from both swivels, put it around my arm, reattach the front clip to the sling swivel and adjust the length to the marked position. Marty Yes, I'm using it like they teach at appleseed. Maybe I'm just tired this morning since the little ones had me up a couple times, but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what you're talking about. Is there any way you could post a pic of the front swivel setup with the sling attached? Thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The sling question is simply for making my life easier and speeding up my "down time" between rounds, and not to compete in Service Rifle (I have 6 kids and while I'd love to do so, I just don't have the money or time away from the house to do so). At appleseed shoots, you have to sling/unsling on every round, so while the guys shooting 10/22's simply unclip their front sling swivel and start reloading mags, I'm loosening the sling, pulling it off my arm, laying the rifle down, finally loading my mags, and then after they call for "Load and make ready XX rounds", I'm slinging up again... Just trying to not make folks wait on me. You can buy a sling hook from Champions Shooters Supply. Simpler than pulling a pin. That would make it quite a bit simpler to get it off the rifle. Might just do that if I can't figure out what PPCShooter1 was talking about. I think it's just b/c I'm tired, but still... Thanks. |
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Quoted: Immediately after the first course of fire adjust your sling. This can be learned in "practice" at home or on the range. Practice = everything you will use. Less live ammo at home. High Power is a sport. You need practice the skills. FCG, I'd recommend a CLE. Best bang for the buck on an adjustable FCG I had this reply all typed up last night and then my ISP decided to die, so here's what I said: If I can't figure out how to do the front sling swivel, then that's what I'll have to do... just practice at the house until I can get out of it and in it in a hurry. Right now it just seems to take forever to get it adjusted and snugged up on my arm, and then will take almost as long to get out of it. It is a great thing to be able to shoot so accurately with a sling. I'm not nearly as proficient with it as what most of you guys are, I imagine, but I am still amazed at how stable the rifle gets when I'm proned out and the sling is setup nice and tight. I never would have thought that was the case had I not learned it a couple years ago at my first appleseed, but they made a believer out of me. I did some mods to the FCG/lower akin to this guy to help out the trigger feel: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=491464, and it works quite well. That said, it looks like the CLE uses a set screw to perform the similar function as my front set screw does (removing over-travel), but my take-up is done by the set screw in the grip screw's channel, and mine is a single-stage, not a 2-stage. It appears he must do some mods to the front ramp of the trigger, but also uses a modded trigger spring to get the 2-stage feel... Hmm.... something else to work on and see if I can figure out. I like to tinker and I've got a few spare triggers and springs laying around to play with. |
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Yes, I'm using it like they teach at appleseed. Maybe I'm just tired this morning since the little ones had me up a couple times, but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what you're talking about. Is there any way you could post a pic of the front swivel setup with the sling attached? Thanks. Take two M1 slings. Remove the clip from one of them and use it on the front loop of the other one. |
As jcs1 eloquently stated, take the clip off a M1 web sling and thread it on the front of the sling you're using.
Clip the sling on the rear swivel. 
Then on the front swivel. 
To use it unclip from both ends, put it around your arm then when you're called to the line clip it to the front swivel. Marty |
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If your main goal is to make each stage of fire easier and minimize prep time, I would also suggest having 5 magazines ready to go. One magazine is empty for single loading slow fire, the others are loaded in 2 and 8 for the rapid fire parts (or 5 and 5 for appleseed, they run a few things different from high power). If the appleseed that you go to runs straight from standing slow, to sitting rapid, to prone rapid, to prone slow, you would be able to load and shoot all stages without having to unsling and reload.
For what it's worth, I had the clip on the front of my sling on my AR and my 10/22. I took it off the front because it was more comfortable for me. Once you are well practiced with your sling, it will be super easy to get in and out of. Then it won't be an issue. You will appreciate having all the mags ready to go, though. |
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I know exactly what you're talking about and have a fix for it that I'm testing now. You use your USGI sling and don't need any additional sling hardware. PM me and I'll give you the setup.  Instead of keeping it a secret, why don't you explain it here so we all can benefit. Marty |
| While I realize that not everyone is shooting in the Service Rifle Class or under CMP rules, I will mention that the web sling configured with two spring clips is not legal under CMP Rule 6.9.2 "Sling Configuration". In fact, way back when, we got a clarification from the DCM that even reconfiguring a web sling with a single clip on the front swivel was not legal...however I'm guessing under the CMP, at least that parts been relaxed a bit. |
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Quoted: As jcs1 eloquently stated, take the clip off a M1 web sling and thread it on the front of the sling you're using. http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc423/ppcshooter1/Misc/0219121013.jpg Clip the sling on the rear swivel. http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc423/ppcshooter1/Misc/0219121012.jpg Then on the front swivel. http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc423/ppcshooter1/Misc/0219121011.jpg To use it unclip from both ends, put it around your arm then when you're called to the line clip it to the front swivel. Marty That looks easy. Thanks. |
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Quoted: It is. It was harder doing that post for you than it is to do. If you check some of the surplus sites and ebay, you should be able to find another clip for $5 or so. Marty Please know I appreciated the time you took to take the pics in its various stages. I just wasn't understanding exactly what you meant, but with the pics, it's very clear what you meant. |
