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10/11/2007 11:22:53 AM EDT
What do you all do for this?  
I pull up the 1st stage, then I pull 1/2 of the 2nd stage, line up, and fire.  For the most part, this works for me.  I do occaisonally let one go before its time, but this is rare.  
I would like to hear how you all do this.  My offhand always need improvement.
thanks
billy
10/11/2007 12:15:36 PM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
What do you all do for this?  
I pull up the 1st stage, then I pull 1/2 of the 2nd stage, line up, and fire.  For the most part, this works for me.  I do occaisonally let one go before its time, but this is rare.  
I would like to hear how you all do this.  My offhand always need improvement.
thanks
billy


Billy, cart yourself to an Appleseed. Your user name is SoldierBilly1. I assume you're either a Vet or still serving? If you're still serving, that Appleseed is FREE, and that includes if you're Guard or Reserves. Not so much pitching the program to you, just it's the best way I know to get somebody to watch you, which should help.

Also check around the appleseedinfo.org forum, and see what's posted. There's a wealth of info there, and a bunch of tips on shooting, including offhand/standing. Some of the posters can shoot pretty well, and I'd wager a couple of them have been where you're at right now.

You may be taking too long to "break" the shot. The arms get tired mighty quick shooting standing, and lowering the rifle sometimes helps. Also, check your positipon to make sure you're in the right spot. And make SURE you've got good NPOA (Natural Point of Aim). That one part can make or break your scores.
10/11/2007 4:09:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Billy;
The CMP has a 3 part DVD high power clinic featuring several of the AMU shooters. Each describing excellent techniques in all stages of fire.
There isn't a shooter on the line today that couldn't pick up a few points on their score after watching them.
To your question about trigger control in off hand. Start with a good foundation, your feet. Shoulder width apart and on the best ground your firing point has to offer. Get your NPA (natural point of aim) take up the first stage of your trigger. Once the front sight settles in, break the shot with a "controlled mash".

Hope this helps

Dave McGrath
10/12/2007 1:45:20 AM EDT
[#3]
Wrangler:

I assume by "controlled mash" you mean a straight back, smooth, rather quick squeeze to break the trigger.

Are you the 'wrangler' that contributed to the prone thread a few years back?  I have only read the thread about 50 times!  great stuff!

billy
10/12/2007 5:08:28 AM EDT
[#4]
SB, think that the trigger is a really small glass rod.

Slowly squeeze that trigger backwards until it breaks. On a 2 stage trigger, you just suck that 1st stage in then start your squeeze.

Also make sure you're not dragging wood.
10/12/2007 7:43:05 AM EDT
[#5]
David Tubb has an excellent article on Trigger Control in Rifle Shooter Magazine. Pay special attention to the part on Mechanics at the bottom of the first page.

I'm not sure if this article prompted your post, but for the benefit of others Sgt. Brandon Green has a nice article this month in the CMP Newsletter.

B
10/12/2007 12:11:57 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Wrangler:

I assume by "controlled mash" you mean a straight back, smooth, rather quick squeeze to break the trigger.

Are you the 'wrangler' that contributed to the prone thread a few years back?  I have only read the thread about 50 times!  great stuff!

billy


Thanks Billy, that was my post.
By a controled mash, I mean to break the shot without "disturbing" the shot. Off hand is 95% mental. Once the front sight settles into the black, "bang" controled mash and follow through.

Dave McGrath
10/18/2007 6:32:36 AM EDT
[#7]
Sounds to me like you are trying to "time" your shot. Don’t worry about the pressure that you are putting on the trigger; all of your attention should be on the sight aliment. Once you have your sight aliment take up the first stage and start applying pressure in a slow and steady manner until the second stage breaks with out disturbing your sight aliment. It’s like driving a car from a stop. You don’t stomp on the gas and spin the tires; you apply steady pressure until you get up to speed. I know that your post was about the standing but you shouldn’t have different trigger control for each position they should all be the same it will help you be more consistent in your shooting. Hope this helps.
10/19/2007 12:08:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Billy;
The CMP has a 3 part DVD high power clinic featuring several of the AMU shooters. Each describing excellent techniques in all stages of fire.
There isn't a shooter on the line today that couldn't pick up a few points on their score after watching them.
To your question about trigger control in off hand. Start with a good foundation, your feet. Shoulder width apart and on the best ground your firing point has to offer. Get your NPA (natural point of aim) take up the first stage of your trigger. Once the front sight settles in, break the shot with a "controlled mash".

I just bought the DVD, it is excellent.  Well worth the money.  Yes, I did pick up a few pointers.  thanks
Billy