Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:15 PM EDT
Anyone have experience training with them? I sent an email 3 days ago trying to sign up, but no response so far. Maybe I'm just used to the pace of responding at work, but I'm wondering if anyone is out there. 
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I was going to take a class a couple years ago but stopped when I read the waiver. It was different from any other waiver I've signed. They want you to sign that if you get hurt because of them deliberately knowingly doing something which is wrong, that you will not take legal action.
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I'm sorry I won't slander or say something behind a guys back without him being able to back it up. He's a fellow veteran and I'll give him credit for his service to our country. Quoted:
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Details? I'm sorry I won't slander or say something behind a guys back without him being able to back it up. He's a fellow veteran and I'll give him credit for his service to our country. You are basically trying, just without crossing the threshold of actually doing so. Never understood the rationale of saying something like that in a thread. |
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You are basically trying, just without crossing the threshold of actually doing so. Never understood the rationale of saying something like that in a thread. Quoted:
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Details? I'm sorry I won't slander or say something behind a guys back without him being able to back it up. He's a fellow veteran and I'll give him credit for his service to our country. You are basically trying, just without crossing the threshold of actually doing so. Never understood the rationale of saying something like that in a thread. Call it what you will, and train with whomever you will. I know where my money will be spent. |
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Well frankly considering I still haven't gotten a response after 7 or so days now, I'm skeptical. Still, it does no one any good to say something might be bad, but then not explain. With exception of some emergency I'd say that's you're sign to move on. Good luck bud. |
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I took a Magpul carbine class when he and Costa were the instructors, and I also took another carbine class from him after he ventured out on his own with Haley Strategic. The carbine classes are very weapon manipulation oriented, and he's always made it clear that they are not tactics classes. If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend it. His classes are usually fairly large, but I still received a surprising amount of personal attention during the class. I haven't taken any of his newer tactics based classes, so I can't comment on those. ETA: Haley is not very responsive to emails IME. I'd try calling instead. |
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I took a Magpul carbine class when he and Costa were the instructors, and I also took another carbine class from him after he ventured out on his own with Haley Strategic. The carbine classes are very weapon manipulation oriented, and he's always made it clear that they are not tactics classes. If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend it. His classes are usually fairly large, but I still received a surprising amount of personal attention during the class. I haven't taken any of his newer tactics based classes, so I can't comment on those. ETA: Haley is not very responsive to emails IME. I'd try calling instead. That only takes you so far. After a class or two if you can't handle an AR15 then somethings wrong. When someone wants to really know what's up, tactics-wise, they go to DARC. 
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Quoted: That only takes you so far. After a class or two if you can't handle an AR15 then somethings wrong. When someone wants to really know what's up, tactics-wise, they go to DARC. Quoted: Quoted: I took a Magpul carbine class when he and Costa were the instructors, and I also took another carbine class from him after he ventured out on his own with Haley Strategic. The carbine classes are very weapon manipulation oriented, and he's always made it clear that they are not tactics classes. If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend it. His classes are usually fairly large, but I still received a surprising amount of personal attention during the class. I haven't taken any of his newer tactics based classes, so I can't comment on those. ETA: Haley is not very responsive to emails IME. I'd try calling instead. That only takes you so far. After a class or two if you can't handle an AR15 then somethings wrong. When someone wants to really know what's up, tactics-wise, they go to DARC. Agreed, but experienced shooters take weapon manipulation for granted since they've been doing it for so long. Newer shooters need to learn to run the gun well so they can focus on the tactics in later tactics classes.
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I took a Magpul carbine class when he and Costa were the instructors, and I also took another carbine class from him after he ventured out on his own with Haley Strategic. The carbine classes are very weapon manipulation oriented, and he's always made it clear that they are not tactics classes. If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend it. His classes are usually fairly large, but I still received a surprising amount of personal attention during the class. I haven't taken any of his newer tactics based classes, so I can't comment on those. ETA: Haley is not very responsive to emails IME. I'd try calling instead. That only takes you so far. After a class or two if you can't handle an AR15 then somethings wrong. When someone wants to really know what's up, tactics-wise, they go to DARC.
Agreed, but experienced shooters take weapon manipulation for granted since they've been doing it for so long. Newer shooters need to learn to run the gun well so they can focus on the tactics in later tactics classes. Totally. |
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Took the D3 Disruptive Environments - Vehicles/Low Light in November '13 from Haley Strategic.
Admin duties were handled by the hosting Sheriffs Department so can't comment on the lack of response. From an instruction standpoint it was very good. Travis was very approachable and focused on training, not playing fantasy band-camp. It was made clear from the get-go that we were there to train, not sniff his jock or pretend to be ninja seals. He and his assistant instructor did a good job of meeting the students at their level, whether snake eater or retard, and building from there. The instruction was an interesting mix of fundamentals (shouldn't every class be?) and more advanced topics. His instruction style was serious and focused but not without humor. It was also NOT a "drill instructor" type. I attended a course like that once and did not care for it a bit. Paying for the privilege of being told you're a retard doesn't appeal to me. Serious and demanding instruction is quite a different matter. It was only one class and three days but I would definitely take another class from Haley Strategic again. |
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I was going to take a class a couple years ago but stopped when I read the waiver. It was different from any other waiver I've signed. They want you to sign that if you get hurt because of them deliberately knowingly doing something which is wrong, that you will not take legal action. That is a tremendous load of crap. Check your State Law, because in some States waivers are weaker than others in how they are applied by the courts. |
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What is his typical instructor to student ratio?
How many students at maximum are on the line shooting at a time? What were the level of competence of his assistant instructors? How well did your weapons manipulation improve as a result of the course (speed and economy of movement)? How well did your accuracy improve, if at all? What is the percentage of lecture vs application like for the course? What did his course offer you that less expensive courses have not? Haley Strategic is VERY popular, but at twice the cost or more of local trainers I have to wonder whether that's justified beyond the star factor? Perhaps it is? When you're talk about $1,000 for a course when you include the cost of ammunition that's a lot of money. Does having completed courses under Haley Strategic give you any additional resume material as an instructor? |
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Quoted: What is his typical instructor to student ratio? 11:1 How many students at maximum are on the line shooting at a time? 22 What were the level of competence of his assistant instructors? Brannon LeBouef of NOLATAC was the assistant instructor. Very high level of competence. How well did your weapons manipulation improve as a result of the course (speed and economy of movement)? A lot of the weapons manipulations had been covered in a previous Magpul Dynamics class, but Travis made some fundamentals tweaks that proved extremely valuable. How well did your accuracy improve, if at all? Not much having already attended several other carbine classes and regularly shooting 3-gun. What is the percentage of lecture vs application like for the course? Zero classroom--all of the lecture is on the range and quickly followed by application. Probably one of the most shooting intensive courses out there. What did his course offer you that less expensive courses have not? Explaining the why behind everything taught. Many instructors can teach you how they do something, but Travis does an excellent job of teaching why he does everything he teaches and why it works. Haley Strategic is VERY popular, but at twice the cost or more of local trainers I have to wonder whether that's justified beyond the star factor? Perhaps it is? When you're talk about $1,000 for a course when you include the cost of ammunition that's a lot of money. Does having completed courses under Haley Strategic give you any additional resume material as an instructor? When you add the cost of travel, time off work, and ammo, the class tuition is almost moot. Personally, I couldn't pass up the opportunity because it was practically in my backyard. The cost was $600 for 3 days, and $200 per training day is comparable if not lower than most other instructors. While I believe taking classes from many different instructors is important to picking up different techniques, I think dedicated instructor courses are more valuable. Personally, while his shooting techniques are a bit dated, Paul Howe's Rifle Instructor School at CSAT was probably the best how-to-be-an-instructor class that I have taken. The above is my experience taking a Haley Strategic 3-day carbine class. I had already taken a class from him and Costa when they were at Magpul Dynamics a few years prior.
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