[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ARES SCR range report (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/3/2014 7:40:37 PM EDT
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Cause I know some of you have been waiting for it!
So I bought the ARES SCR standard stock model (forget the short stock unless you are a small girl or a really small guy). Got it at Colisuem Gun Traders on Long Island for $850 + tax (OUCH) I wanted to shoot it right away without investing a lot of money in a gun that might not even work so I went to Walmart and bought a CenterPoint 30mm red/green enclosed optical sight. The sight has some good and a lot of bad reviews, but it was like $29 and I wanted to shoot the gun. The rifle comes literally drowning in oil. So you have to take it home and give it a good cleaning inside and out before shooting. And even so lots of oil seeps out as you shoot and it warms up. The ergonomics of this rifle are perfect for me. It shoulders quickly and comfortably, I get a good cheek weld, and the red dot sight is a pleasure to use. The gun functioned perfectly. I shot about 100 rounds, no glitches or failures of any kind. Using Federal American Eagle AR 5.56 I shot tight groups (INDOORS, short yardage) with ease. Took some real work to get the sights set for zero, since the cheapie sight does not have any parallax correction. But I got it done. When I got home I took off the upper and can report it shows NO wear at all, absolutely none anyplace. So now a few impressions: The included upper is NOT a target machine. The thin barrel gets very hot, so much so that I could see the heat waves through the scope. It seemed to lose zero after heating up and then cooling off, but that is more likely the optics. Keep in mind, this lower accepts any AR upper, so you can make it a target rifle with ease. There is no brass deflector. This was not a problem, however the side of the upper has lots of brass marks where the empties bounced off. Since it is a short (16.5") barrel with no flash hider, it makes quite a big flash out the end. Impressive. The trigger is very hard, probably more than 10 pounds. However it is free of creep and grit and breaks clean. I did not find this to be a problem at all. AT this time there is no bolt hold open, which is a royal PITA. The part will be out by mid October, and is a 2 minute pop in. So don't hold off because of that, the issue will be resolved soon. The mag well is very short, which was done so that a curved 7.62X39 mag will work. Therefore it is not quite as slick to load, since it is a tight fit and you contact the mag release going in immediately. However, after 4 or 5 mags at the range I got the motions down and it was no problem. You can NOT reach the mag release with your shooting finger. Due to the buttstock it is way forward of your grip. Overall I was very very pleased with the gun. The design lends itself to a pistol - no buffer tube. For Free State use you could have a side folding buttstock that starts just to the rear of the handgrip. It would make a very small package for use on a boat or in a car. For close in SHTF scenarios, say out to 100 yards, this gun is WAY faster to get into action than a standard AR. It comes right to the shoulder, the optics are mounted just right, followup shots are FAST. And even with the junk scope I bought, I am certain I can hit man sized or deer sized targets reliably all day long at 100 yards +. But again, the BIG question was whether the thing actually works. The answer is YES. This is like almost the end of the mini-14, it is just way better. |
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It sounds interesting...but a 10lb+ trigger doesn't sound so hot. The thought of it gives me FS2000 flashback nightmares. I understand that work is being done on a better trigger. But like I said, as a veteran of the 14# NY Trigger on a Glock this trigger did not bother me in the least. No even one flyer due to a bad letoff. It would be far from idea for a bench rest shooter, but then the upper would be replaced and the trigger reduced. The big thing is, this is a legal AR that is NOT an AR. It is just too cool. |
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Also, it is legal in NYC. Until they amend the admin code and ban it by name. If production keeps up, I see these going for closer to $600 in a year or so...or even $300 for just a complete lower. Sounds like you better register one before they close that window. I agree the price is way too high. But it is one cool gun to shoot. Lots of fun. |
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Sounds like you better register one before they close that window. I agree the price is way too high. But it is one cool gun to shoot. Lots of fun. Quoted:
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Also, it is legal in NYC. Until they amend the admin code and ban it by name. If production keeps up, I see these going for closer to $600 in a year or so...or even $300 for just a complete lower. Sounds like you better register one before they close that window. I agree the price is way too high. But it is one cool gun to shoot. Lots of fun. That won't matter unfortunately...if they decide to ban it by name they make you remove it from NYC. No grandfathering...they sent out confiscation / remove or sell outside NYC letters when NYC AWB laws were changed in the 90s...everyone who owned and registered a gun that NYC deemed an AW had to get rid of it. Bastards. |
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That won't matter unfortunately...if they decide to ban it by name they make you remove it from NYC. No grandfathering...they sent out confiscation / remove or sell outside NYC letters when NYC AWB laws were changed in the 90s...everyone who owned and registered a gun that NYC deemed an AW had to get rid of it. Bastards. Quoted:
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Also, it is legal in NYC. Until they amend the admin code and ban it by name. If production keeps up, I see these going for closer to $600 in a year or so...or even $300 for just a complete lower. Sounds like you better register one before they close that window. I agree the price is way too high. But it is one cool gun to shoot. Lots of fun. That won't matter unfortunately...if they decide to ban it by name they make you remove it from NYC. No grandfathering...they sent out confiscation / remove or sell outside NYC letters when NYC AWB laws were changed in the 90s...everyone who owned and registered a gun that NYC deemed an AW had to get rid of it. Bastards. If the mini remains legal, it should be too. |
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So I bought the ARES SCR standard stock model (forget the short stock unless you are a small girl or a really small guy). I have been wondering about this. I'm 6'2", so not exactly short. However, with the FRS-15, I find that it shoulders comfortably if I shoot in a traditional shooting position (side to target, rifle almost parallel to chest), but I find it too long to comfortably hold in a weaver position (chest to target, rifle perpendicular to chest) position. I've handled a Marlin 336Y, which has roughly the same LOP as the short stock, and it was quite comfortable. |
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I have been wondering about this. I'm 6'2", so not exactly short. However, with the FRS-15, I find that it shoulders comfortably if I shoot in a traditional shooting position (side to target, rifle almost parallel to chest), but I find it too long to comfortably hold in a weaver position (chest to target, rifle perpendicular to chest) position. I've handled a Marlin 336Y, which has roughly the same LOP as the short stock, and it was quite comfortable. Quoted:
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So I bought the ARES SCR standard stock model (forget the short stock unless you are a small girl or a really small guy). I have been wondering about this. I'm 6'2", so not exactly short. However, with the FRS-15, I find that it shoulders comfortably if I shoot in a traditional shooting position (side to target, rifle almost parallel to chest), but I find it too long to comfortably hold in a weaver position (chest to target, rifle perpendicular to chest) position. I've handled a Marlin 336Y, which has roughly the same LOP as the short stock, and it was quite comfortable. I think it depends on how you shoot. Squared up or traditional/hunter stance. |
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I find the monte carlo perfect with the magpul mbus and great with a red dot (co-witness) 
It just gave me a better cheekweld, closer to where the reg AR stock tube used to be. Anyway, I finally got to take it to the range today, had zero problems, no FTFs or FTEs using Federal/ American eagle 62gr , 55 and 50gr 223 ammo. <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04614_zps13479829.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04614_zps13479829.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04615_zps1fd09bc0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04615_zps1fd09bc0.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04616_zps05ce025f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04616_zps05ce025f.jpg</a> It is really a great gun. I have a similar handguard on the way. Your optic is mounted higher than mine. What sling stud did you use in the rear (stock)? ARES promises the bolt hold open is on the way soon. It really needs that, too much pulling on the charging handle! |
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It is really a great gun. I have a similar handguard on the way. Your optic is mounted higher than mine. What sling stud did you use in the rear (stock)? ARES promises the bolt hold open is on the way soon. It really needs that, too much pulling on the charging handle! I also added a Tac latch on mine, and I agree about the bolt catch. I got the UTG LE rated riser for the Bushnell TRS-25 dot and it provides the perfect height for co-witness with the Magpul mbus. The stud is a 3/4" uncle mikes screw. (got both from amazon) |
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I also added a Tac latch on mine, and I agree about the bolt catch. I got the UTG LE rated riser for the Bushnell TRS-25 dot and it provides the perfect height for co-witness with the Magpul mbus. The stud is a 3/4" uncle mikes screw. (got both from amazon) Quoted:
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It is really a great gun. I have a similar handguard on the way. Your optic is mounted higher than mine. What sling stud did you use in the rear (stock)? ARES promises the bolt hold open is on the way soon. It really needs that, too much pulling on the charging handle! I also added a Tac latch on mine, and I agree about the bolt catch. I got the UTG LE rated riser for the Bushnell TRS-25 dot and it provides the perfect height for co-witness with the Magpul mbus. The stud is a 3/4" uncle mikes screw. (got both from amazon) How hard was it to remove the gas block to install the free float hand guard? Any issues getting it to line up properly on the reinstall? |
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As you can see from the pic below, the hammer (tho a bit thinner compared to a std AR) and springs are similar to an AR, but trigger group is a bit different. The Bolt is similar to an AR, but the carrier is designed differently. The recoil spring is inside the stock. This is why you CAN use different upper, BUT you have to Use the SCR bolt carrier for the upper to work with this lower. I wish Ares would come up with a piston retrofit option soon
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Please post some photos of the recoil spring setup, bolt carrier & internals of the lower. I would guess the recoil spring & bolt carrier are similar to the Daewoo K1 setup? As you can see from the pic below, the hammer (tho a bit thinner compared to a std AR) and springs are similar to an AR, but trigger group is a bit different. The Bolt is similar to an AR, but the carrier is designed differently. The recoil spring is inside the stock. This is why you CAN use different upper, BUT you have to Use the SCR bolt carrier for the upper to work with this lower. I wish Ares would come up with a piston retrofit option soon
<a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04542_zps06794b1f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04542_zps06794b1f.jpg</a> - Thanks Very FALesque, Now Where can I buy one? 
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Last time I was @ Coliseum guns, they had a few with standard and short stock versions. Quoted:
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Thanks Very FALesque, Now Where can I buy one? NP
Last time I was @ Coliseum guns, they had a few with standard and short stock versions. I am pretty sure they had them in stock on Wednesday. |
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If I got one of these, I would want to maintain the same optics height over bore for purposes of standardization in zero'ing and bullet drop, etc. ie: a 50m battlesight zero. What sights could be purchased that would accomodate that? Irons and / or red dot Since the MOE hand guard that came with the SCR does not come with a top rail, only best way I know to mount front irons is to add a free float hand guard with top rail that will hold zero. (maybe someone else can chime in) For iron sights, I went with the Magpul MBUS as they are similar in height with the standard AR front/rear iron sights. |
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Since the MOE hand guard that came with the SCR does not come with a top rail, only best way I know to mount front irons is to add a free float hand guard with top rail that will hold zero. (maybe someone else can chime in) For iron sights, I went with the Magpul MBUS as they are similar in height with the standard AR front/rear iron sights. Quoted:
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If I got one of these, I would want to maintain the same optics height over bore for purposes of standardization in zero'ing and bullet drop, etc. ie: a 50m battlesight zero. What sights could be purchased that would accomodate that? Irons and / or red dot Since the MOE hand guard that came with the SCR does not come with a top rail, only best way I know to mount front irons is to add a free float hand guard with top rail that will hold zero. (maybe someone else can chime in) For iron sights, I went with the Magpul MBUS as they are similar in height with the standard AR front/rear iron sights. Why does it have to be free float? I bought a two piece with rails, that should work if it mounts solid. |
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It doesn't have to be, as long as its solid (like u said) and will hold zero. Quoted:
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Why does it have to be free float? I bought a two piece with rails, that should work if it mounts solid. It doesn't have to be, as long as its solid (like u said) and will hold zero. Cool. My front should be in on Monday. Then I will see if I can even get the Magpul guards off. |
What I would really like to know is whether a Remington 1100 (or maybe 880) stock would work with the SCR.
Clearly, they started with a shotgun type design, inside and out, but I don't know how much remained the same. Would certainly open up a lot of options, including wood. |
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What I would really like to know is whether a Remington 1100 (or maybe 880) stock would work with the SCR. . Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy  .
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Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy .Quoted:
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What I would really like to know is whether a Remington 1100 (or maybe 880) stock would work with the SCR. . Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy .This email received from ARES might help to clear this up: thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with your rifle! But I do want to address one point in particular regarding the potential of installing a folding stock on the ARES SCR; the recoil system that energizes the bolt carrier group is housed within the receiver extension tube that's threaded into the back of the lower receiver. While many things are technically possible including this, it would not be very practical to attemp a folding stock on the ARES SCR as currently designed due to the location of the recoil spring and guide. |
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Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy .Quoted:
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What I would really like to know is whether a Remington 1100 (or maybe 880) stock would work with the SCR. . Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy .The recoil tube of the 1100 is also in the stock: 
In fact, early descriptions of the SCR (even by ARES, if I remember correctly) said that it used basically the same recoil mechanism as a semiauto shotgun. In looking around, the closest stock (nearly identical) seems to be the 1100 or 870, so I wondered if they saved money by utilizing an off-the-shelf (or, at least, existing at the manufacturer with slight cosmetic changes) design. |
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The recoil tube of the 1100 is also in the stock: http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr128/bennor3814/Rem1100Bare.jpg In fact, early descriptions of the SCR (even by ARES, if I remember correctly) said that it used basically the same recoil mechanism as a semiauto shotgun. In looking around, the closest stock (nearly identical) seems to be the 1100 or 870, so I wondered if they saved money by utilizing an off-the-shelf (or, at least, existing at the manufacturer with slight cosmetic changes) design. Quoted:
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What I would really like to know is whether a Remington 1100 (or maybe 880) stock would work with the SCR. . Custom work to install the recoil spring mechanism in the shotgun stock would have to be done, as the recoil spring of the SCR is located in the stock. It is probably a good idea for the mfg. To offer the SCR with wood furniture (Like Saigas are available with wood as an option) it would make it more Fudd worthy .The recoil tube of the 1100 is also in the stock: http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr128/bennor3814/Rem1100Bare.jpg In fact, early descriptions of the SCR (even by ARES, if I remember correctly) said that it used basically the same recoil mechanism as a semiauto shotgun. In looking around, the closest stock (nearly identical) seems to be the 1100 or 870, so I wondered if they saved money by utilizing an off-the-shelf (or, at least, existing at the manufacturer with slight cosmetic changes) design. Interesting, When I get my hands on an SCR I will see if my 1100's stock fits. |
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Me too, but nobody's answering. Anybody? Safety??? Quoted:
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Is the safety like an 870 or 1100 I'm a lefty can it be reversed? Me too, but nobody's answering. Anybody? Safety??? The safety button on the SCR is located directly behind the trigger. I don't think it will matter much, lefty or righty. |
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The design lends itself to a pistol - no buffer tube. For Free State use you could have a side folding buttstock… I'm sure if you remove the stock you will find a recoil spring tube like any other rifle/shotgun of similar design. (ETA: I see you've all figured that out. lol) |
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The safety button on the SCR is located directly behind the trigger. I don't think it will matter much, lefty or righty. Quoted:
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Is the safety like an 870 or 1100 I'm a lefty can it be reversed? Me too, but nobody's answering. Anybody? Safety??? The safety button on the SCR is located directly behind the trigger. I don't think it will matter much, lefty or righty. Yes, I see the safety button. The question was -is the safety reversible? I just spoke with a sales rep at Ares- No the safety is not reversible. Will you be making a left hand version? "We'll be looking at that in the near future." So, it's not gonna happen next week. He has my e-mail, so if I here anything, I'll post it here. |