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5/2/2014 10:58:45 AM EDT
Legislative Report #16 is now online.
5/2/2014 11:12:20 AM EDT
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S-4175 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or devastator ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon. Golden Codes 1/8/14 Oppose
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From this bill itself:

JUSTIFICATION:  Police and hospital statistics have shown an increase in deaths and injuries resulting from increasingly deadly and horrific types of ammunition. These latest types of ammunition, such as armor piercing, frangible and devastator ammunition, are designed to pierce bullet proof vests or to fragment, explode, detonate, or disintegrate upon impact so as to render survival unlikely.
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From wikipedia:

A frangible bullet is one that is designed to disintegrate into tiny particles upon impact to minimize their penetration for reasons of range safety, to limit environmental impact, or to limit the danger behind the intended target. Examples are the Glaser Safety Slug and the breaching round.

Frangible bullets will disintegrate upon contact with a surface harder than the bullet itself. Frangible bullets are often used by shooters engaging in close quarter combat training to avoid ricochets; targets are placed on steel backing plates that serve to completely fragment the bullet. Frangible bullets are typically made of non-toxic metals, and are frequently used on "green" ranges and outdoor ranges where lead abatement is a concern.
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Do they just make shit up as they go along?

Just more proof that these assholes don't know what the words they use mean.  So a bullet that mitigates environmental damage and makes ranges safer should be criminal possession of a weapon?

Golden is a retired New York City Police Officer who received numerous awards during his ten years with the Police Department. Golden was forced to retire in 1983, after suffering a serious injury while making a narcotics arrest. Golden's website claims that his "distinguished career as a New York City Police Officer provided him with the knowledge and experience to make our streets safer."
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I'll just go on the snarky assumption that they'll forget to exclude police officers from this.  'Cause no one needs 7 frangible boolits to train on a raaangea

ETA:

Safe act vote from the senate:

VOTE: FLOOR VOTE: - Jan 14, 2013

Ayes (43): Adams, Addabbo, Avella, Boyle, Breslin, Carlucci, Diaz, Dilan, Espaillat, Felder, Flanagan, Fuschillo, Gianaris, Gipson, Golden, Grisanti, Hannon, Hassell-Thomps, Hoylman, Kennedy, Klein, Krueger, Lanza, Latimer, LaValle, Marcellino, Martins, Montgomery, O'Brien, Parker, Peralta, Perkins, Rivera, Sampson, Sanders, Savino, Serrano, Skelos, Smith, Squadron, Stavisky, Stewart-Cousin, Valesky

Nays (18): Ball, Bonacic, DeFrancisco, Farley, Gallivan, Griffo, Larkin, Libous, Little, Marchione, Maziarz, Nozzolio, O'Mara, Ranzenhofer, Ritchie, Robach, Seward, Young

Excused (1): Zeldin
5/2/2014 12:46:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Drop the bomb. Exterminate them all!!!
5/2/2014 2:16:12 PM EDT
[#3]
"I say to you, forget the extremists. No one votes for an assault on freedom. No one needs 43 senators to kill a state. And too many innocent people have moved already. End the madness now!”
5/2/2014 2:22:11 PM EDT
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I'm not reading that.  Heard enough bullshit at work today
5/2/2014 2:23:31 PM EDT
[#5]
devastator ammunition wtf is that?
5/2/2014 4:37:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Frangible ammo, what idiots
5/2/2014 6:24:54 PM EDT
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devastator ammunition wtf is that?
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Pretty sure a weather dominater is somehow involved.  I mean, we already have the evil leader with a speech impediment.
5/2/2014 6:46:20 PM EDT
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Only nerf from here on out.... Although killing a man with nerf bullets can take a long, long time...
5/2/2014 7:06:10 PM EDT
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devastator ammunition wtf is that?
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5/2/2014 7:33:54 PM EDT
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I'm not reading that.  Heard enough bullshit at work today
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No need, its NY so you know its going to be nothing but bad news
5/2/2014 11:08:07 PM EDT
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If they are going to ban my shit atleast get the terminology down I swear they do it on purpose to put a thumb in our eye as they take us from the rear.
5/3/2014 4:38:48 AM EDT
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Nothing new here.  This bill or a similar bill has been passed in previous years by the Assembly.  NYPD PBA President Pat Lynch supports the ban and has been pushing for it for years.



A-2837/S-7693 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or
"devastator” ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon. - Passed by
the NYS Assembly 1-9-2006




Article from 2005(Link dead):



www.nydailynews.com/12-12-2005/news/story/374014p-317961c.html



Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive



BY ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS



Hollow-point
bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui
are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get.



Cops
favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to
pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.



But
they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of
thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo
Brancato.



"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no
reason for anyone else to have that ability."




Armento allegedly shot Enchautegui with his father's .357-caliber handgun, loaded with the hollow-point bullets.



Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market.



"Anybody can go out and buy them," said Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association.



The
main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket"
bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a
target.



The NYPD switched to the new ammo in 1999.



"They are less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a bystander," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.



An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.