[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dywinsky case stayed. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/3/2014 2:10:43 PM EDT
There will no longer be a trial on 1/16?14 . 
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Almost makes you wonder if the shit stain judge issued when he did to make sure the state suit wasn't heard. There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. |
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There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. Quoted:
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Almost makes you wonder if the shit stain judge issued when he did to make sure the state suit wasn't heard. There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. If that can be substantiated its grounds for impeachment of both. |
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If that can be substantiated its grounds for impeachment of both. Quoted:
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Almost makes you wonder if the shit stain judge issued when he did to make sure the state suit wasn't heard. There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. If that can be substantiated its grounds for impeachment of both. Probably just a rumor. But yeah. Having said that, Cuomo was in Buffalo quite a bit in the last few months. Would a federal judge turn down a private visit from the governor? |
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Seems like the state REALLY does not want any 2A cases to go to trial. Quoted:
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There will no longer be a trial on 1/16?14 . Seems like the state REALLY does not want any 2A cases to go to trial. No they don't! They know our Constitutional Rights have been infringed upon, many for over a century. A "reset" to original configuration would cause a catastrophic loss of power from those holding control over the State and its People. No, they just can't risk it and there could be no surprise in learning of a little "insider" action such as Cuomo (or a representative of his) having a friendly lunch where their control options were discussed. 
Something to consider: Many Countries around the World have been introduced to "Freedom" but none have achieved it to our levels because most of its populace doesn't know what to do with it or how to handle it. This State has its share of shitholes, full of shitty people, people that would stab you to death with a pencil for your lunch money....can you imagine the carnage if these same people managed to get guns......never mind, they already do. History lesson: Back in the 70's the anti-gun cry was "Saturday Night Specials" These were claimed to be the root of all gun evil; they were "cheap" easily concealable, only used by criminals, had no place in society.....Labeled, vilified, smattered all over the media, then and targeted for elimination. But we fought back! it was raciest and condescending to point out that many of the people that bought these small, in-expensive handguns did so because they needed a gun for protection and they filled the need as they were affordable while being just enough to get the job done. Yes, I know but would you want to cross some little old Lady pointing a loaded anything at you while telling you to GTFO? |
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There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. Quoted:
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Almost makes you wonder if the shit stain judge issued when he did to make sure the state suit wasn't heard. There was a "rumor" that supposedly originated with a federal court clerk in Buffalo that Cuomo met with Skretny in the weeks leading up to his decision. Would this not be " criminal " ? |
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Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing...  Quoted:
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seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... Yup. That doesn't do anybody any good. |
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Yeah, I don't really get why the NYFirearms regulars seem to think the Tresmond cases are the ticket, while over here it seems the NYSRPA case is the pathway to success.
There is really no need to choose sides. I know the Tresmond team participates on that forum, but then again so do many of us. We all should be encouraging any competent action against this band of tyrants that is possible. The fact that one case got kicked in the nads first doesn't mean it was flawed, or that the attorneys involved were fools. The same thing could have happened to the Tresmond case if that trial had gone first. If that had happened, I'm sure some here would have started bashing the Tresmonds. Of course much of it is just frustration. We all want success and want it now, but come on. We should all be grownups around here, and over there. We are all on the same team, except for the FUAC trolls and observers, but they are easily identifiable. Fact is, we are getting a good glimpse into the screwed up court system--the product of years and years of leftist cultivation where the Constitution is a meaningless, outdated piece of bathroom paper, and where the hard left social agenda takes highest priority. That isn't the fault of Tom King, nor is it the fault of the Tresmonds. |
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Quoted: Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... Quoted: Quoted: seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... I find it odd too. In some ways, the NYSRPA case is a faster route to SCOTUS. Tresmond filed in state court and regardless of a ruling, it would have been appealed up the chain to federal court. NYSRPA started at the federal level so it is at least one step closer to final resolution. Right now the focus by that team is pushing for an injunction for suspension of any SAFE act penalties pending a final decision by whatever the last court to hear these cases says. That seems like better solution at this point. |
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I have always liked the Dywinsky case better myself...as it directly attack the whole registration scheme...it seemed to me the NYSRPA suit just nibbled around the edges...
That said, I was rooting for both, and have contributed $$$ to both....and I would like to have Dywinski argued and heard...not that I hold out much hope, but AFAIC its a different argument in a different venue, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be heard...sounds like a cowards way out by the court.... |
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OK, so after reading the other thread, it seems that since many of the same arguments that are in the Dywinski case were also in the NYSRPA case...so the court said that it will not hear those pieces until another court rules (since it is being appealed on both sides...).
But the law team also said specifically that the registration question was NOT argued in the NYSRPA so they will seek to separate out that issue and continue with that separately...hopefully that will pan out...we'll see.... |
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I find it odd too. In some ways, the NYSRPA case is a faster route to SCOTUS. Tresmond filed in state court and regardless of a ruling, it would have been appealed up the chain to federal court. NYSRPA started at the federal level so it is at least one step closer to final resolution. Quoted:
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seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... I find it odd too. In some ways, the NYSRPA case is a faster route to SCOTUS. Tresmond filed in state court and regardless of a ruling, it would have been appealed up the chain to federal court. NYSRPA started at the federal level so it is at least one step closer to final resolution. I get the sense that the people blaming the NYSRPA have not read the decision. |
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Everyone is fighting the good fight, tensions are just high, there is freedom riding on these decisions my bitchez. March forward, adapt and overcome.
http://www.humanevents.com/2014/01/03/n-y-gun-owners-defiant-despite-court-setback-safe-act-challenge-goes-on/ Get up, dust yo ass off and reload, were still alive. |
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Yup. That doesn't do anybody any good. Quoted:
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seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... Yup. That doesn't do anybody any good. Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning, one word comes to mind... Perspective. It was nice to have a conversation without teeth gnashing and finger pointing and the end is near despair. I know some folks have been critical of Joe not being around as much as you'd like, but here are some thoughts I have. Would you rather he be posting here or fighting out there? He spent $37,000 of his own money last year traveling the country fighting SAFE. That's more than I lived on last year. That's a lot of miles on the car, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and God knows what else. He won't be getting reimbursed that from the NRA or NYSRPA. That's dedication. We don't make it easy for ourselves when we vent by screaming FUAC. This board is so heavily monitored right now, and some of our opposition treat comments like that as threats against these officials. I think that's crazy, but that's how they view it. Accordingly, it makes it difficult for some folks to post here because they can't be associated with that (not Joe, he is at the tip of the spear in this fight), but others with sensitive positions. It diminishes the role ARF can play in this very public fight because it gives the media ammo to say we are a bunch of wing nuts rather than law-abiding citizens who are your friends, neighbors, and family. I'm not going to tell anyone what you can or can't say, I haven't been a mod for years because some folks don't like what I say or how I say it, and that's fine. Their house their rules. However, I'm imploring you to choose words carefully and NOT give the opposition ammunition. One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! |
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Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning... One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! Quick math: 6 million NY gun owners x $5 = $30 million war chest to bankroll true Patriots who will support our 2A rights in this state. Wherever you are Joe D, thanks. 
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Quoted: One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. This gets back to the theory put forward over in the thread at http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/547573_Step_inside_and_help_me_consider_the_Skretny_decision_from_a_different_perspective_.html. Did this judge give the state an apparent victory while at the same time actually providing needed ammunition to get SAFE overturned? |
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This gets back to the theory put forward over in the thread at http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/547573_Step_inside_and_help_me_consider_the_Skretny_decision_from_a_different_perspective_.html. Did this judge give the state an apparent victory while at the same time actually providing needed ammunition to get SAFE overturned? Quoted:
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One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. This gets back to the theory put forward over in the thread at http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/547573_Step_inside_and_help_me_consider_the_Skretny_decision_from_a_different_perspective_.html. Did this judge give the state an apparent victory while at the same time actually providing needed ammunition to get SAFE overturned? I'm guessing it wasn't intended. The judge had to address the in common use argument, and he did. There is no way to deny they are in common use. He however countered it by saying there were viable alternatives, something we opened ourselves up to by arguing banned features are only cosmetic and the rifles functionally are the same as non-banned options. That was always one of my fears. The problem is there are two sides to every coin, and an intellectually disingenuous judge can find a reason to pick the wrong side every time. 
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Yeah, I don't really get why the NYFirearms regulars seem to think the Tresmond cases are the ticket, while over here it seems the NYSRPA case is the pathway to success. There is really no need to choose sides. I know the Tresmond team participates on that forum, but then again so do many of us. We all should be encouraging any competent action against this band of tyrants that is possible. The fact that one case got kicked in the nads first doesn't mean it was flawed, or that the attorneys involved were fools. The same thing could have happened to the Tresmond case if that trial had gone first. If that had happened, I'm sure some here would have started bashing the Tresmonds. Of course much of it is just frustration. We all want success and want it now, but come on. We should all be grownups around here, and over there. We are all on the same team, except for the FUAC trolls and observers, but they are easily identifiable. Fact is, we are getting a good glimpse into the screwed up court system--the product of years and years of leftist cultivation where the Constitution is a meaningless, outdated piece of bathroom paper, and where the hard left social agenda takes highest priority. That isn't the fault of Tom King, nor is it the fault of the Tresmonds. this
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Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning, one word comes to mind... Perspective. It was nice to have a conversation without teeth gnashing and finger pointing and the end is near despair. I know some folks have been critical of Joe not being around as much as you'd like, but here are some thoughts I have. Would you rather he be posting here or fighting out there? He spent $37,000 of his own money last year traveling the country fighting SAFE. That's more than I lived on last year. That's a lot of miles on the car, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and God knows what else. He won't be getting reimbursed that from the NRA or NYSRPA. That's dedication. We don't make it easy for ourselves when we vent by screaming FUAC. This board is so heavily monitored right now, and some of our opposition treat comments like that as threats against these officials. I think that's crazy, but that's how they view it. Accordingly, it makes it difficult for some folks to post here because they can't be associated with that (not Joe, he is at the tip of the spear in this fight), but others with sensitive positions. It diminishes the role ARF can play in this very public fight because it gives the media ammo to say we are a bunch of wing nuts rather than law-abiding citizens who are your friends, neighbors, and family. I'm not going to tell anyone what you can or can't say, I haven't been a mod for years because some folks don't like what I say or how I say it, and that's fine. Their house their rules. However, I'm imploring you to choose words carefully and NOT give the opposition ammunition. One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! Quoted:
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seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... Yup. That doesn't do anybody any good. Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning, one word comes to mind... Perspective. It was nice to have a conversation without teeth gnashing and finger pointing and the end is near despair. I know some folks have been critical of Joe not being around as much as you'd like, but here are some thoughts I have. Would you rather he be posting here or fighting out there? He spent $37,000 of his own money last year traveling the country fighting SAFE. That's more than I lived on last year. That's a lot of miles on the car, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and God knows what else. He won't be getting reimbursed that from the NRA or NYSRPA. That's dedication. We don't make it easy for ourselves when we vent by screaming FUAC. This board is so heavily monitored right now, and some of our opposition treat comments like that as threats against these officials. I think that's crazy, but that's how they view it. Accordingly, it makes it difficult for some folks to post here because they can't be associated with that (not Joe, he is at the tip of the spear in this fight), but others with sensitive positions. It diminishes the role ARF can play in this very public fight because it gives the media ammo to say we are a bunch of wing nuts rather than law-abiding citizens who are your friends, neighbors, and family. I'm not going to tell anyone what you can or can't say, I haven't been a mod for years because some folks don't like what I say or how I say it, and that's fine. Their house their rules. However, I'm imploring you to choose words carefully and NOT give the opposition ammunition. One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! I'll make it blunt as possible the day i cant voice my opinion in a forum by saying FUAC than this country is nothing more than a banana republic period. My forefathers earned me that right along with my other rights that are in the constitution provide by the blood of my forefathers. My roots go back as far the American revolution on my mothers side. Being kicked out of England for religious beliefs. My fathers side grandfather escaped from Lithuanian in1939 when the soviets took over the country and wiped out half his family. Than the Germans invaded and wiped out the rest. I zero use for socialist, communist and democraps because they are all the same suppressing peoples rights unless it provides them gains in the polls. They are nothing more than tyrants and if the press cant see that. They better look out some day they will come from the press also, history repeats itself and has been proven it over the centuries. I have enough playing nice with these dim wits anymore. |
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Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning, one word comes to mind... Perspective. It was nice to have a conversation without teeth gnashing and finger pointing and the end is near despair. I know some folks have been critical of Joe not being around as much as you'd like, but here are some thoughts I have. Would you rather he be posting here or fighting out there? He spent $37,000 of his own money last year traveling the country fighting SAFE. That's more than I lived on last year. That's a lot of miles on the car, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and God knows what else. He won't be getting reimbursed that from the NRA or NYSRPA. That's dedication. We don't make it easy for ourselves when we vent by screaming FUAC. This board is so heavily monitored right now, and some of our opposition treat comments like that as threats against these officials. I think that's crazy, but that's how they view it. Accordingly, it makes it difficult for some folks to post here because they can't be associated with that (not Joe, he is at the tip of the spear in this fight), but others with sensitive positions. It diminishes the role ARF can play in this very public fight because it gives the media ammo to say we are a bunch of wing nuts rather than law-abiding citizens who are your friends, neighbors, and family. I'm not going to tell anyone what you can or can't say, I haven't been a mod for years because some folks don't like what I say or how I say it, and that's fine. Their house their rules. However, I'm imploring you to choose words carefully and NOT give the opposition ammunition. One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! Quoted:
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seems to be the most I could find... http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/68320-dywinski-case-stayed-registration-challenged-april-16-2014-a.html Just read the entire thread, the NYSRPA bashing... Yup. That doesn't do anybody any good. Had a very nice call with Joe D this morning, one word comes to mind... Perspective. It was nice to have a conversation without teeth gnashing and finger pointing and the end is near despair. I know some folks have been critical of Joe not being around as much as you'd like, but here are some thoughts I have. Would you rather he be posting here or fighting out there? He spent $37,000 of his own money last year traveling the country fighting SAFE. That's more than I lived on last year. That's a lot of miles on the car, plane tickets, hotel rooms, and God knows what else. He won't be getting reimbursed that from the NRA or NYSRPA. That's dedication. We don't make it easy for ourselves when we vent by screaming FUAC. This board is so heavily monitored right now, and some of our opposition treat comments like that as threats against these officials. I think that's crazy, but that's how they view it. Accordingly, it makes it difficult for some folks to post here because they can't be associated with that (not Joe, he is at the tip of the spear in this fight), but others with sensitive positions. It diminishes the role ARF can play in this very public fight because it gives the media ammo to say we are a bunch of wing nuts rather than law-abiding citizens who are your friends, neighbors, and family. I'm not going to tell anyone what you can or can't say, I haven't been a mod for years because some folks don't like what I say or how I say it, and that's fine. Their house their rules. However, I'm imploring you to choose words carefully and NOT give the opposition ammunition. One of the things that excited Joe was for the first time we have a lower court ruling that explicitly acknowledges that AR15s are in common use. That is huge. Joe also spoke to some very liberal state Supreme Court judges (I don't know their names, I did not ask) who said they have never seen (and would never themselves) use Mother Jones in their rulings. In other words, this ruling is going to get decimated. We're taking this fight all the way baby. One last thing, he said about 80 percent of the $500k spent to date came from $5, $10, and $20 donations. If you think you can't make a difference, you're wrong! All it takes is a whole lot of us doing a little. Having said that, dig deep brothers and sisters! I agree and am wondering will a good turn out in 2014 help our cause? |
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Schneiderman Will Appeal Portions Of SAFE Act Struck Down. what a criminal. Again, it's his job and I doubt it's his call as to wether to fight or capitulate. Hiram has it right, and I'm guilty of letting passion command my keyboard. WE may not be the tip of the spear, but we'er all a part of the shaft, without which there is no driving force. Right after this post, I will be making a donation to NYSRPA, will you do so too? can you afford ten-twenty-fifty bucks? how about five? You'd spend that much for a bagel & coffee at DD, Just like EVERY VOTE, every dollar helps! http://www.nysrpa.org/ |