Posted: 8/26/2013 4:55:27 PM EDT
| Anyone know what is involved with recetifying pistol permits every five years? Five years from when? Cost? Can it be declined with no justification or have new restrictions placed on it? |
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have had this on Long Island for many years. its mainly just a money grab. they supposedly do check NICS and maybe the mental health registry. I have never concerned myself with revocation, just hate them for the money grab. Ah, but this is different, is it not? I think there is supposedly "no fee involved" in renewing. |
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It doesn't really matter what they said in order to get the law passed, or what they tell people in order to make them comfortable with registering their property.
If the "SAFE" act stands, everything set up under it will look very different in 10 or 20 years. Remember, this all happened before in NYC. When long gun registration was set up in the late 60s residents down here were told it would require a fee of $3, it was promised to gun owners that the $3 dollar fee would never increase. The Fee of course has gone up incrementally, it is now $140 plus a $94 fingerprinting fee (the $140 must be paid every 3 years) if you want to own a long gun in your home. What was promised to be $3 is now $233........nearly 78 times the original cost. Not to mention all registered long guns that were later determined to be too dangerous were forced to be sold by the owners or were confiscated. |
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Quoted: Ah, but this is different, is it not? I think there is supposedly "no fee involved" in renewing. Quoted: Ah, but this is different, is it not? I think there is supposedly "no fee involved" in renewing. Wait til the next election and the Dems firmly control both Senate, House and Gov. I bet there will eventually be a fee per registered assault weapon, a fee for renewing blah blah blah
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yet Wait til the next election and the Dems firmly control both Senate, House and Gov. I bet there will eventually be a fee per registered assault weapon, a fee for renewing blah blah blah Quoted:
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Ah, but this is different, is it not? I think there is supposedly "no fee involved" in renewing. Wait til the next election and the Dems firmly control both Senate, House and Gov. I bet there will eventually be a fee per registered assault weapon, a fee for renewing blah blah blah Thoroughly agree. My sarcasm didn't come through in my post I guess. |
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I'm not talking about renewing a registration for assault rifles (what rifles?). I'm talking about having to renew my current pistol permit. I was as well. Registering anything other than my pistols is out of the question and not even something that has crossed my mind, quite frankly. |
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It doesn't kick in until 01-15-2014. You have until 01-31-2018 to recertify. § 400.00 Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms. .................... * 10. License: expiration, certification and renewal. .................... (b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police, which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police. Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such license. * NB Effective January 15, 2014 |
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Quoted: A member of my club lost his pistol permit card and had to request a replacement. His old one was unrestricted. The replacement he received was marked "Restricted". Perhaps a sign of things to come.   I don't think anyone at this point has a clue as to exactly what the recert process is and how it will work. |
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A member of my club lost his pistol permit card and had to request a replacement. His old one was unrestricted. The replacement he received was marked "Restricted". Perhaps a sign of things to come. Before SAFE was passed the rumor was that our judge was going to start reviewing any remaining grandfathered unrestricted permits and re-issue them as restricted. Guess this will aid him in that process...... |
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If the county issues the permit, what gives NYSP the authority to revoke?
This seems to be a revenue grab from the locales. Licensing and record keeping has always been the pervue of the County clerk. I imagine, this is going to be a record keeping database nightmare. Good luck with all the County clerk index cards. |
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It doesn't kick in until 01-15-2014. You have until 01-31-2018 to recertify. § 400.00 Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms. .................... * 10. License: expiration, certification and renewal. .................... (b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police, which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police. Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such license. * NB Effective January 15, 2014 I suppose I'm going to be in complete violation because I WILL NOT comply! |
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Before SAFE was passed the rumor was that our judge was going to start reviewing any remaining grandfathered unrestricted permits and re-issue them as restricted. Guess this will aid him in that process...... Quoted:
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A member of my club lost his pistol permit card and had to request a replacement. His old one was unrestricted. The replacement he received was marked "Restricted". Perhaps a sign of things to come. Before SAFE was passed the rumor was that our judge was going to start reviewing any remaining grandfathered unrestricted permits and re-issue them as restricted. Guess this will aid him in that process...... Is he appointed or elected? I'm sure elected judges are going to see this is a political tool to use unless they get a threat from the prince. |
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Is he appointed or elected? I'm sure elected judges are going to see this is a political tool to use unless they get a threat from the prince. Elected. Liberal judge in a liberal county. He is pretty safe ( no pun intended ) election-wise. He would be more in danger if he chose to switch parties and become a Republican. |
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Quoted: http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=35012 I don't think anyone at this point has a clue as to exactly what the recert process is and how it will work. Quoted: Quoted: A member of my club lost his pistol permit card and had to request a replacement. His old one was unrestricted. The replacement he received was marked "Restricted". Perhaps a sign of things to come. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=35012 I don't think anyone at this point has a clue as to exactly what the recert process is and how it will work. In theory you're only recertifying the info that they already have such as address, name, and pistols owned. IF it goes to the state and stays there, then I don't see how the counties would use them to add restrictions... but that's a big if.
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IF it goes to the state and stays there, then I don't see how the counties would use them to add restrictions... but that's a big if. If I had to bet, the county would get involved because the permit would have an expiration date now. The county would sue the opportunity of re-issuing the new permit to add restrictions |
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In theory you're only recertifying the info that they already have such as address, name, and pistols owned. IF it goes to the state and stays there, then I don't see how the counties would use them to add restrictions... but that's a big if. It will boil down to whether the cards themselves will have expiration dates printed on them and re-issued every 5 years. That's a big cost to the counties. Or, if the cards are valid "indefinitely" as they are now, with a re-certification needed at the state level every 5 years. Maybe the county will only be notified by the state if present licensees become ineligible? |
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It will boil down to whether the cards themselves will have expiration dates printed on them and re-issued every 5 years. That's a big cost to the counties. Or, if the cards are valid "indefinitely" as they are now, with a re-certification needed at the state level every 5 years. Maybe the county will only be notified by the state if present licensees become ineligible? With so many counties transitioning to a plastic credit card type permit, the "cost" to the county would be the cost of the card blank. To issue a new card all they'll have to do is pull up your permit from their archives, throw a new expiration date on there and hit "print". |
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Quoted: If I had to bet, the county would get involved because the permit would have an expiration date now. The county would sue the opportunity of re-issuing the new permit to add restrictions Quoted: Quoted: IF it goes to the state and stays there, then I don't see how the counties would use them to add restrictions... but that's a big if. If I had to bet, the county would get involved because the permit would have an expiration date now. The county would sue the opportunity of re-issuing the new permit to add restrictions The county is required to do the recertification. Once again the morons who authored unSAFE Act get confused about the terminology so it's difficult to decipher exactly how the process will work. This is going to be a frggin' nightmare and yet another unfunded mandate for the county licensing agencies. From the SAFE Act bill: Section 48 of the bill amends the Penal Law to require that every county recertify a gun license holder's license every five years. Fail- ure to recertify during this five year period equates to revocation of the license. The section also adds bases for denial of a license to an applicant, including connection of a felony or serious offense, being presently subject to an order of protection; and expands the criteria for denial based on an applicant's history of mental illness. Licensing Currently in New York State, outside of New York City, Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk Counties, a gun license never expires. Lack of a renewal procedure means there is no periodic review of a licensee's qualifications. Thus, if a license holder becomes disqualified from carrying a gun subsequent to obtaining a license, he or she will likely retain the license. This law requires every license holder to recertify the licensee's gun license every five years. Failure of a licensee to have his or her license recertified will result in revocation of the license. ............... In addition, in order to ensure that legal gun license holders receive their licenses as swiftly as possible and to ensure the swift and accu- rate ability to match license holders with disqualifying events such as a felony conviction, the bill establishes an electronic license and record database. The electronic database will permit regular matching by the State against records of prohibited persons (e.g., those with crimi- nal histories, orders of protection, and mental illnesses that bar gun ownership and licensing) as well as against other databases such as death records to ensure that New York's license records are up to date. |