[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Veterans (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/2/2013 5:11:31 AM EDT
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The same way that retired law enforcement is going to be excemented.Vets are just as worthy are retired law inforcement. Ah, I see. I'm guessing there is no group pushing for a vet exemption, and if anything they'll be more likely to try to tag vets as crazy guys who shouldn't have any access to guns at all. |
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Actually Veterans are bring targeted for dis-arming under the guise of mental health issues. Those who spoke the oath and hold it in their convictions are a threat to anti-gun, anti-constitutionalists.
The ONLY reason why you'll see exemptions for Law Enforcement is in preventing Civil suits for Police violating the Law. For the sake of argument: say a Cop has a 15 shot magazine in his service weapon and discharges it and in doing so reveals it contained more than the maximum allowed, and therefore violating the Law; Remember, no one (supposedly) is above the Law, It's now is the same as a Cop getting stopped for DWI and not being charged. (ostensibly drunk, and exempted because of his job) 
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Veterans? You think veterans are some higher class of citizens? What a f'd up country this has become. Hey Steve, instead of spouting off at the mouth, why not ask the poster to clarify? Perhaps the reason he asked is that we use our duty weapons in the same fashion as a cop and if they get theirs after retirement then it would make sense that military would as well. Possibly showing flaws in the entire law maker logic. I have served 21 years and still going and am most likely better trained than your average gun owner. That being said, I don't feel I deserve an exemption anymore than a civilian. And guess what!, most cops don't either. Of course there are the exceptions to the rule but most military and law enforcement feel that as tax paying citizens of NYS, we all deserve the same rights to own firearms and flex our 2nd amendment right, ALONG side of the computer programmer, teacher, autoworker, and so on. It's hot headed, knee jerk reaction like your shot at the OP that fuels this us vs them mentality, when in truth, anyone that TRULY believes in a free state and the foundation on which the Constitution was written, understands that we fight this together. Now OP, I hope I am correct, so please clarify your original question? Signed, This country isn't fucked up, it's the slim majority running it that is. |
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Hey Steve, instead of spouting off at the mouth, why not ask the poster to clarify? Perhaps the reason he asked is that we use our duty weapons in the same fashion as a cop and if they get theirs after retirement then it would make sense that military would as well. Possibly showing flaws in the entire law maker logic. I have served 21 years and still going and am most likely better trained than your average gun owner. That being said, I don't feel I deserve an exemption anymore than a civilian. And guess what!, most cops don't either. Of course there are the exceptions to the rule but most military and law enforcement feel that as tax paying citizens of NYS, we all deserve the same rights to own firearms and flex our 2nd amendment right, ALONG side of the computer programmer, teacher, autoworker, and so on. It's hot headed, knee jerk reaction like your shot at the OP that fuels this us vs them mentality, when in truth, anyone that TRULY believes in a free state and the foundation on which the Constitution was written, understands that we fight this together. Now OP, I hope I am correct, so please clarify your original question? Signed, This country isn't fucked up, it's the slim majority running it that is. Listen, this talk of exemptions is complete bullshit! ANY exemptions are a bigger problem than the Safe act itself. The OP is obviously the one who doesn't understand everyone is in this together to even bring up something as flat out STUPID as exemptions for "veterans". Why in the name of Hades would a veteran have any claim to an exemption? I want to hear one single, solitary reason how that makes any sense at all. Forget LE, because retired LE makes no sense either, but how does prior military service make one in any way qualified for an exemption? Somone who served in the Coast Guard doing office work would be more qualified how? Someone who served in the Air National Guard during peacetime would be more qualified how? A marine who got shot at in Iraq would be more qualified how? An 85 year old WW2 vet is more qualified how? You guys are the one's fueling an us vs. them mentality because you keep bringing this up time and again. Is it to show" flaws in the law? Really? The law itself doesn't do a good enough job on its own? The law is already retarded, can something get more retarded? Please excuse my anger but I have heard far too many times this insane veterans exemption since this law was passed. Lots of people served, they already recieve compensations and benefits for that. Gun laws have ZERO to do with prior military service and to bring it up does nothing but divide people and confuse the issue. I will even go as far as saying the push for new gun laws nationwide is partly driven with the intent of keeping weapons out of the hands of veterans (why do you think there has been so much focus on PTSD and getting as many military people as possible to say they suffer from it?). Veterans acting like a separate class of people plays right into the grabbers hand. And yes, this country is fucked up and it's no longer a slim majority running it. In NY the Safe act passed with litte opposition and the majority of NY'ers think it's swell. Gun owners better come to grips they don't have numbers on their side. Just look at the last election and who voted. 
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Veterans? You think veterans are some higher class of citizens? Of course they are. Maybe not in the way the OP intended. Too many people in this country willing to have its advantages without being willing to volunteer to defend it edited for spelling mistakes only |
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Veterans? You think veterans are some higher class of citizens? Of course they are. Maybe not in the way the OP intended. Too amny people in this country willing to have its advantages without being willing to volunteer to defend it That sounds like fascism. I'm sorry, but it does and I'm sick of that notion being drilled into people's heads like it has been for the past decade. |
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That sounds like fascism. I'm sorry, but it does and I'm sick of that notion being drilled into people's heads like it has been for the past decade. I'm sorry that you malign and belittle some peoples willingness to serve. I'll take your opinion seriously when I see a tank under your name. Til then, i consider you one of the folks I mentioned earlier |
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I'm sorry that you malign and belittle some peoples willingness to serve. I'll take your opinion seriously when I see a tank under your name. Til then, i consider you one of the folks I mentioned earlier Typical bullshit, elitist attitude - not once did I belittle anyone's willingness to serve. I don't give a f what you think of my opinion if you are the kind who qualifies people's opinions on some self-created standard. I’ve spent my time in harm’s way and don’t need to prove shit to anyone or validate your insecurities. At least you have shown your true colors and admitted you feel you’re some higher class and therefore entitled and superior. You better go read that oath again because you obviously missed the point. |
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I'm sorry that you malign and belittle some peoples willingness to serve. I'll take your opinion seriously when I see a tank under your name. Til then, i consider you one of the folks I mentioned earlier Typical bullshit, elitist attitude - not once did I belittle anyone's willingness to serve. I don't give a f what you think of my opinion if you are the kind who qualifies people's opinions on some self-created standard. I’ve spent my time in harm’s way and don’t need to prove shit to anyone or validate your insecurities. At least you have shown your true colors and admitted you feel you’re some higher class and therefore entitled and superior. You better go read that oath again because you obviously missed the point. When you refer to considering the view that vets as *different than other Americans because they are willing to step up when you and others are not willing to do so* as "fascist"...you better believe that I will take that as belittlement and maligning all vets. What harm? Rush hour in some metro area? |
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I'm sorry that you malign and belittle some peoples willingness to serve. I'll take your opinion seriously when I see a tank under your name. Til then, i consider you one of the folks I mentioned earlier Typical bullshit, elitist attitude - not once did I belittle anyone's willingness to serve. I don't give a f what you think of my opinion if you are the kind who qualifies people's opinions on some self-created standard. I’ve spent my time in harm’s way and don’t need to prove shit to anyone or validate your insecurities. At least you have shown your true colors and admitted you feel you’re some higher class and therefore entitled and superior. You better go read that oath again because you obviously missed the point. When you rfer to considering the view that vets as *different than other Americans because they are willing to step up when you and others are not willing to do so* as "facist"...you better believe that I will take that as belittlement and maligning all vets. What harm? Rush hour in some metro area? +1 tc. someone's screws need tightening. my hat comes off for vets. that makes them a special class of people. I didn't say they deserve more 2A rights or exemptions than me, nor did tc. Learn to read. everyone here is as angry as you, Steve - but some of us are smart enough to direct that where it belongs and not just go ape on everyone. pretty sure tc wasn't making up for any insecurities. it's usually the most insecure guy who is the first one to yell "i don't need to prove shit to anyone." So how about chill out and look around you. we're the guys on your side. try to remember that before you spout. |
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The OP is making the point on how it is unfair the LEO are being exempt with retirement and how the state gov't is creating classes.
The gov't is essentially saying that Retired LEO's are "Better" than retired veterans or Retired first responders etc etc etc. IMO the citizen should be better armed than the police AND the military. |
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Is that rush hour in Rochester? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/tacophoto/rally1-1_zpsad2b05a4.jpg Rochester is a problem spot, for sure...but are you really equating living in Rochester to military service? You might want to rethink that theory |
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Is that rush hour in Rochester? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/tacophoto/rally1-1_zpsad2b05a4.jpg Rochester is a problem spot, for sure...but are you really equating living in Rochester to military service? You might want to rethink that theory Dude, you really think that's a picture from Rochester? 
Maybe this is better: Does THIS (below) look like rush hour in Rochester? LOL! 
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Dude, you really think that's a picture from Rochester?
Maybe this is better: Does THIS (below) look like rush hour in Rochester? LOL! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/tacophoto/rally1-1_zpsad2b05a4.jpg No, I didn't say it was Rochester. I said that equating being in Rochester to military guys putting themselves in harms way is not a valid comparison. |
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Veterans? You think veterans are some higher class of citizens? Of course they are. Maybe not in the way the OP intended. Too amny people in this country willing to have its advantages without being willing to volunteer to defend it That sounds like fascism. I'm sorry, but it does and I'm sick of that notion being drilled into people's heads like it has been for the past decade. Steve, You've pissed me off, and that takes some doing, or maybe not  . I was only a USAF pogue at DaNang AB, Vietnam, Republic of during the summer of '72. We ate rockets (those wonderful 122's) all the time (especially my nights off ). Oh yeah, and I HATED that God damn war - go to the Wall in DC, stand at the bottom of what is really a black, shiny MASS grave, and tell me it's fascist - you haven't got the cojones, ese.
There's an axiom I like about vets - All gave some, some gave all. I gave 5 years of my live, and "it don't mean nothin', not a thang!! Brother Blood." WTF have you done FOR this country? Oh, puleeese drop the fascist word - I DON'T FUCKING LIKE IT!!!!! Save it for Cuomo. And if you don't like what I've written, look elsewhere for someone who gives a shit. |
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Actually, that photo looks sorta like it was taken from the Palestinian side of Gaza...which makes me wonder if you're suggesting youve done IDF service or if you're admitting to associations with terrorist groups.  You know your militants. 
IDF service, no. As for "associations", that's quite a leap of logic. Lots of people have to go out to cover this stuff, so that would be the association. If anyone has an itch to see it firsthand... |
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There's an axiom I like about vets - All gave some, some gave all. I gave 5 years of my live, and "it don't mean nothin', not a thang!! Brother Blood." WTF have you done FOR this country? I've lost two friends/collegues in the last few years, one recently in Syria, trying to make a difference by showing what's going on in those places and their sacrifice is just as great as anyone else's. For the last ten + years, like thousands of other reporters/journalists/hacks, I've spent time in conflicts trying to inform people. In return I haven't asked for a single thing nor do I qualify for a single thing and only mention it when asked or questioned. My father, may he rest in peace, a WW2 combat vet and the most patriotic man I've known, never in his entire life questioned a man's worth or position based on military service or felt he was more deserving because of his. He refused any benefit he could have gotten and never paraded his service to anyone. |
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There's an axiom I like about vets - All gave some, some gave all. I gave 5 years of my live, and "it don't mean nothin', not a thang!! Brother Blood." WTF have you done FOR this country? I've lost two friends/collegues in the last few years, one recently in Syria, trying to make a difference by showing what's going on in those places and their sacrifice is just as great as anyone else's. For the last ten + years, like thousands of other reporters/journalists/hacks, I've spent time in conflicts trying to inform people. In return I haven't asked for a single thing nor do I qualify for a single thing and only mention it when asked or questioned. My father, may he rest in peace, a WW2 combat vet and the most patriotic man I've known, never in his entire life questioned a man's worth or position based on military service or felt he was more deserving because of his. He refused any benefit he could have gotten and never paraded his service to anyone. Maybe I should have been clearer - using the word "fascist" is an insult, or do you really believe the idea of veterans having given something to this country is "fascist", or the fact that someone else, not me, thinks they deserve something extra is "fascist". Frankly your use of the word makes no damn sense. And no one here is parading anything; although I did get that little tank icon  . Frankly, giving vets an exemption re gun laws doesn't make sense to me either, but it was the OPs right to broach the question.
And my Father was a WWII vet also, as were the Fathers of many members here. And I've lost "journalist" (if that's what you're claiming to be) acquaintances, one in Somalia, and another in a hijacked plane crash. You want to berate veterans, do it, but keep the word "fascist" out of it. I've studied fascism for over 50 years as a very serious avocation, and I loath fascism and anything that smells of it - it's not a word to be used lightly. |
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No, of course I don't think fascist = US military. Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of vibes that veteran = privilege regarding 2A rights and that has no place in the debate and might be problematic in the grand scheme of the fight when the press starts talking about PTSD, suicide rates, and all that other crap. Every citizen, with the exception of convicted felons and the mentally ill/insane, have a natural born right to keep and bear arms if they so choose. The 2A speaks of a militia but not military, they aren't the same things.
Talk of exemptions is contentious for me because it will instantly create separate, unequal classes. I understand why LE needs tools the average person might not be able to own and I’m not opposed, in practice, to active duty LE getting an exemption because they need the tools to do their job. It’s already that way just about everywhere so it’s no surprise it will be that way when SAFE is finalized. |
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No, of course I don't think fascist = US military. Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of vibes that veteran = privilege regarding 2A rights and that has no place in the debate and might be problematic in the grand scheme of the fight when the press starts talking about PTSD, suicide rates, and all that other crap. Every citizen, with the exception of convicted felons and the mentally ill/insane, have a natural born right to keep and bear arms if they so choose. The 2A speaks of a militia but not military, they aren't the same things. Talk of exemptions is contentious for me because it will instantly create separate, unequal classes. I understand why LE needs tools the average person might not be able to own and I’m not opposed, in practice, to active duty LE getting an exemption because they need the tools to do their job. It’s already that way just about everywhere so it’s no surprise it will be that way when SAFE is finalized. Maybe you should shut your mouth and think about how to explain your position on a subject more eloquently than a 5 year old before you stick your foot in it. My family living in NY is at greater risk due to this SAFE act nonsense too but I imagine you can do a better job talking about how you feel than saying a military member is a fascist. Obviously everyone's stressed but that means everyone should have MORE composure, not less. |
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Quoted: So you're saying you support the disarmament of the very people that would help maintain a semblance of parity against the state?No, of course I don't think fascist = US military. Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of vibes that veteran = privilege regarding 2A rights and that has no place in the debate and might be problematic in the grand scheme of the fight when the press starts talking about PTSD, suicide rates, and all that other crap. Every citizen, with the exception of convicted felons and the mentally ill/insane, have a natural born right to keep and bear arms if they so choose. The 2A speaks of a militia but not military, they aren't the same things. Talk of exemptions is contentious for me because it will instantly create separate, unequal classes. I understand why LE needs tools the average person might not be able to own and I’m not opposed, in practice, to active duty LE getting an exemption because they need the tools to do their job. It’s already that way just about everywhere so it’s no surprise it will be that way when SAFE is finalized. |
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So you're saying you support the disarmament of the very people that would help maintain a semblance of parity against the state?
No, of course I don't think fascist = US military. Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of vibes that veteran = privilege regarding 2A rights and that has no place in the debate and might be problematic in the grand scheme of the fight when the press starts talking about PTSD, suicide rates, and all that other crap. Every citizen, with the exception of convicted felons and the mentally ill/insane, have a natural born right to keep and bear arms if they so choose. The 2A speaks of a militia but not military, they aren't the same things. Talk of exemptions is contentious for me because it will instantly create separate, unequal classes. I understand why LE needs tools the average person might not be able to own and I’m not opposed, in practice, to active duty LE getting an exemption because they need the tools to do their job. It’s already that way just about everywhere so it’s no surprise it will be that way when SAFE is finalized. As I recall, there was a large group of people at one time who made a significant difference in this country who were veterans/militia members. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you're saying you support the disarmament of the very people that would help maintain a semblance of parity against the state?No, of course I don't think fascist = US military. Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of vibes that veteran = privilege regarding 2A rights and that has no place in the debate and might be problematic in the grand scheme of the fight when the press starts talking about PTSD, suicide rates, and all that other crap. Every citizen, with the exception of convicted felons and the mentally ill/insane, have a natural born right to keep and bear arms if they so choose. The 2A speaks of a militia but not military, they aren't the same things. Talk of exemptions is contentious for me because it will instantly create separate, unequal classes. I understand why LE needs tools the average person might not be able to own and I’m not opposed, in practice, to active duty LE getting an exemption because they need the tools to do their job. It’s already that way just about everywhere so it’s no surprise it will be that way when SAFE is finalized. As I recall, there was a large group of people at one time who made a significant difference in this country who were veterans/militia members. You know, I seem to recall that as well... |
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You people are insane. The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" and nothing about veterans or the military having a right the average citizen can't. Veteran does not equal militia anymore than citizen equal militia. The militia IS the people.
There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests a veteran should have more or less Second Amendment rights than any other citizen. If you all think so you are either damned foolish or wanting to put yourself above everyone else. I want one single reason why a veteran or military member should be exempt from the SAFE Act, one single, good reason and you've won your argument. I can understand reasons for LE, but there are none for veterans or military unless they are deployed or training. |
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I think what he's trying to say is that offering someone an exemption or special status further divides us.
Veterans and Cops are and were people just like you and me, except they chose a job that could have put them in a higher risk of harm 99% of the Cops are good people that are no different that you or I, yet there are those who have abused their power and committed crimes; Clinton County Correctional is full of them. Too many of the veterans (and one it too many) have gotten the big-head from pseudo heroism, and again you have 99% that are good, honest people with the same, or often HIGHER morals, standards, and ethics, none of which are achieved overnight. and the percentage that wander off the reservation end up out on the street with the Big Chicken Dinner, often after a guest stay in Kansas. Point is equality: Cops, Military, and Civilians all put their pants on one leg at a time, those that want to go bottomless or steal someone else's forfeit the right. To offer one group a better pair simply because of what they do only segregates us further. That separation leads to suspicion and dis-trust, from many of the cop bashings that should be apparent. I'm certainly not an "expert" on the Military. I server three years, trained all over hell's half-acre, and was honorably discharged, and for the last eight years I have continued to serve the Army as a civilian employee: I don't think for one second that I deserve anything anyone else doesn't. This also applies in the face of 17 years as a volunteer EMT with the same squad, copious training and numerous certifications/licenses. It pains me when I look at a disturbing number of our current soldiers, but their only a very small fraction of the ones that I'd give the short off my back to, and when it gets down to it, I'll bet they'd do the same. Brothers & Sisters don't always get along, but do something to one will bring the wrath of both. 
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You people are insane. The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" and nothing about veterans or the military having a right the average citizen can't. Veteran does not equal militia anymore than citizen equal militia. The militia IS the people.
There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests a veteran should have more or less Second Amendment rights than any other citizen. If you all think so you are either damned foolish or wanting to put yourself above everyone else. I want one single reason why a veteran or military member should be exempt from the SAFE Act, one single, good reason and you've won your argument. I can understand reasons for LE, but there are none for veterans or military unless they are deployed or training. 
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You people are insane. The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" and nothing about veterans or the military having a right the average citizen can't. Veteran does not equal militia anymore than citizen equal militia. The militia IS the people.
There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests a veteran should have more or less Second Amendment rights than any other citizen. If you all think so you are either damned foolish or wanting to put yourself above everyone else. I want one single reason why a veteran or military member should be exempt from the SAFE Act, one single, good reason and you've won your argument. I can understand reasons for LE, but there are none for veterans or military unless they are deployed or training. Explain why anyone needs an exemption? Why does LE need such a weapon that is too dangerous for the underlings to posses. If the arguements used to pass this are the reason, then NOBODY should own them. NOBODY. |
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There's an axiom I like about vets - All gave some, some gave all. I gave 5 years of my live, and "it don't mean nothin', not a thang!! Brother Blood." WTF have you done FOR this country? I've lost two friends/collegues in the last few years, one recently in Syria, trying to make a difference by showing what's going on in those places and their sacrifice is just as great as anyone else's. For the last ten + years, like thousands of other reporters/journalists/hacks, I've spent time in conflicts trying to inform people. In return I haven't asked for a single thing nor do I qualify for a single thing and only mention it when asked or questioned. My father, may he rest in peace, a WW2 combat vet and the most patriotic man I've known, never in his entire life questioned a man's worth or position based on military service or felt he was more deserving because of his. He refused any benefit he could have gotten and never paraded his service to anyone. I hate to say it. I honestly don't think journalists belong in war zones. |
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Explain why anyone needs an exemption? Why does LE need such a weapon that is too dangerous for the underlings to posses. If the arguements used to pass this are the reason, then NOBODY should own them. NOBODY. In my opinion there is no reason why LE should be exempt, but in all honesty it's easier to make the argument for LE - they can simply say the criminal element they might encounter would out-gun them and they need to have the tools to deal with that threat. Of course the counter to that is why should only LE be able to defend themselves and that's why the idea of any exemptions from the law falls apart. If you watch the video from Erie County a month ago at an informational meeting about SAFE, one guy says exactly the right thing. He says if people are saying these assault weapons are only for war then why do the police need them? Who are they at war with? So getting back to the original point, nobody should be exempt from this law and there's no good reason anyone should be exempt - the law simply shouldn't exist as it clearly goes against the Constitution.If you take away a fundemental right you better do it across the board or you better not do it all. And if they decide to start down this road of amendments for LE, maybe for Hollywood movie makers and maybe for politicians or rich people's armed security details there is likely to be bad times ahead as it won't sit well with the serfs. |
Why not exempt me? I have a card that says I'm trustworthy. Trustworthy enough to posses a metal thing that shoots out other metal things that could possibly kill someone. Yet for some reason I'm not trustworthy enough to own another piece of metal that holds more than 7 of the other pieces of metal.  That don't make a lot of sense.
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I hate to say it. I honestly don't think journalists belong in war zones. In some ways I agree but, forgetting how the media in the US is mostly too liberal, do you think it's a good idea to have all your info coming from government sources? Let's say something happens here in the US, would you want the only reporting to come from Barry's boys? Journalists have covered every war in modern history and most in ancient history. If you cut that off you have an Orwellian nightmare where people are only told what someone wants told. As long as they are willing to accept the risks and be truthful, they have an obligation to be there. |
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You people are insane. The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" and nothing about veterans or the military having a right the average citizen can't. Veteran does not equal militia anymore than citizen equal militia. The militia IS the people.
There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests a veteran should have more or less Second Amendment rights than any other citizen. If you all think so you are either damned foolish or wanting to put yourself above everyone else. I want one single reason why a veteran or military member should be exempt from the SAFE Act, one single, good reason and you've won your argument. I can understand reasons for LE, but there are none for veterans or military unless they are deployed or training. we aren't saying we should be exempt while others aren't... what we ARE saying is that your contempt for the military is disgusting and I am sure you have a wonderful excuse why you didnt serve. we ARE saying that we have given up serious pieces of our lives, freedoms and in many cases body and soul in order to protect the country and something higher than ourselves... so yeah we hold ourselves in higher regard than a scumbag like you that feels it's necessary to look down on us. Either go back and reread what you've posted and realize that it is written shittily and apologize, or realize we are going to look at you like a child throwing a tantrum. |
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I hate to say it. I honestly don't think journalists belong in war zones. In some ways I agree but, forgetting how the media in the US is mostly too liberal, do you think it's a good idea to have all your info coming from government sources? Let's say something happens here in the US, would you want the only reporting to come from Barry's boys? Journalists have covered every war in modern history and most in ancient history. If you cut that off you have an Orwellian nightmare where people are only told what someone wants told. As long as they are willing to accept the risks and be truthful, they have an obligation to be there. yeah, and we know what they have done to endanger us while doing so too. journalists have no business in a war zone. |