Posted: 1/19/2013 5:34:21 PM EDT
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As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though.
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Quoted: As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though. 1-The barrel is easy 2-handguards are a "barrel shroud" 3-there is a design for a stock that looks like an 870 stock out there
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As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though. 1-The barrel is easy 2-handguards are a "barrel shroud" 3-there is a design for a stock that looks like an 870 stock out there So what type of handguards can we have now? I think i've been read too much because i'm not sure what is and isnt true. |
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So I live in the new Texas (Florida), but have family in NY so I wasn't sure about the barrel, can it just be pinned and welded and you can call it a day? Also with the barrel shroud, I couldn't find anything on that, and the FAQ from NY (which is riddled with inaccuracies and copyright infringement) does not mention it?
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I found it, but it only has to do with shotguns:
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.htm 22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or muzzle compensator; (vii) a grenade launcher; or (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds; (v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) capacity to accept an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (vi) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vii) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or (viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; (d) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (e) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in subparagraph (v) of paragraph (e) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 of this chapter as added by chapter one hundred eighty-nine of the laws of two thousand and otherwise lawfully possessed pursuant to such chapter of the laws of two thousand prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four; (f) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of this subdivision, possessed prior to the date of enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph; (g) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; or (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in Appendix A to 18 U.S.C. 922 as such weapon was manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; (v) any weapon validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter. Such weapons shall be subject to the provisions of paragraph (h) of this subdivision; (vi) any firearm, rifle, or shotgun that was manufactured at least fifty years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof that is validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter; (h) Any weapon defined in paragraph (e) or (f) of this subdivision and any large capacity ammunition feeding device that was legally possessed by an individual prior to the enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph, may only be sold to, exchanged with or disposed of to a purchaser authorized to possess such weapons or to an individual or entity outside of the state provided that any such transfer to an individual or entity outside of the state must be reported to the entity wherein the weapon is registered within seventy-two hours of such transfer. An individual who transfers any such weapon or large capacity ammunition device to an individual inside New York state or without complying with the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor unless such large capacity ammunition feeding device, the possession of which is made illegal by the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph, is transferred within one year of the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph. |
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I guess but you guys are basically wasting your time... The bill isn't complete yet and nobody knows whats to be amended. Trying to figure it out now with only a portion of the information is a waste of time. Time better spent fighting this thing.
By the way the FAQ states that the modifications on creating a featureless rifle "Must be permanent. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means." |
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I agree that building an AR that is compliant "today" is a waste of energy as it will be modified soon. I don't know if the grip thing would hold water as any stock can be removed. Also it wouldn't be a modification if it was an original build. True, but you never know with these people. 
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As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though. 1-The barrel is easy 2-handguards are a "barrel shroud" 3-there is a design for a stock that looks like an 870 stock out there Everyone keeps mentioning barrel shroud with the semiautomatic rifle section of the definition 265.22 (A), when as written it exists as subsection (VI) under (C) semiautomatic pistols. It does not apply to rifles at all. (IV) "A second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand" IS under the rifle subsection (A) for rifles. A conventional forestock is not a protruding handgrip by any definition that i'm aware of..... Yup, there are definitely ways to make compliant rifles, they may not be pretty, or versatile, but legal. But this crazy shit is confusing, carry on..... |
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I found it, but it only has to do with shotguns: http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.htm 22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or muzzle compensator; (vii) a grenade launcher; or (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds; (v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) capacity to accept an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (vi) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vii) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or (viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; (d) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (e) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in subparagraph (v) of paragraph (e) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 of this chapter as added by chapter one hundred eighty-nine of the laws of two thousand and otherwise lawfully possessed pursuant to such chapter of the laws of two thousand prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four; (f) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of this subdivision, possessed prior to the date of enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph; (g) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; or (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in Appendix A to 18 U.S.C. 922 as such weapon was manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; (v) any weapon validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter. Such weapons shall be subject to the provisions of paragraph (h) of this subdivision; (vi) any firearm, rifle, or shotgun that was manufactured at least fifty years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof that is validly registered pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter; (h) Any weapon defined in paragraph (e) or (f) of this subdivision and any large capacity ammunition feeding device that was legally possessed by an individual prior to the enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph, may only be sold to, exchanged with or disposed of to a purchaser authorized to possess such weapons or to an individual or entity outside of the state provided that any such transfer to an individual or entity outside of the state must be reported to the entity wherein the weapon is registered within seventy-two hours of such transfer. An individual who transfers any such weapon or large capacity ammunition device to an individual inside New York state or without complying with the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor unless such large capacity ammunition feeding device, the possession of which is made illegal by the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph, is transferred within one year of the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph. No, it has nothing to do with shottys either. The section you highlighted is under (C) semiautomatic pistols. You have to follow the hierarchy of the law sections, like an outline. In the case of the Penal Law, numbers (265.22), letters (A), roman #s (IV), lower case letters (a), small romans (iii)........ Where the actual subsections reside is important. Don't mix n' match the subsections, apply them as written...... |
| That is Educational only. They did a google search I am sure, or worked with ATF to get all AR15 receiver manufactures names and put them on the PDF. The State Police took it down, I am sure for legal reasons, and the Governor's office put it up in different form. I am sure that when the lawsuits come from the manufacturers for libel it too will be taken down. Actually, that's a great idea, we should setup a thread with the contact info for every one of those manufactures and harass them to file a libel suit. |
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As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though. 1-The barrel is easy 2-handguards are a "barrel shroud" 3-there is a design for a stock that looks like an 870 stock out there Barrel shroud only listed under pistol.... |
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So how does banning all AR15 variants by name effect this? Even as a bolt action upper on a regular lower? All AR "variants" are not banned in the statute, that is a line from NYSP's website which means exactly feces in a courtroom. The law, is the law. Everything else is meaningless. Disclaimer: I did NOT stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but see two basic avenues to obtain a NY legal "AR variant"; 1. Make a single shot, or repeating rifle, or 2. Make/build a semiauto version with no evil features, target crown barrel (no devices, no threads), some version of stock that eliminates the pistol grip. All magazine restrictions would obviously still apply. But what do I know, I'm just a peckerwood with too many guns....... 
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As a hypothetical, one may want to make a NY Legal build to wait out the ban and not be on a registry. I am thinking that that hypothetical person may build it as such. 1. This is the sticky one; barrel. One could get a new barrel with no threads, but if they already have one with a comp that is pinned and welded is it still considered a comp under the new law? 2.) Grind the bayonet lug or get a replacement block. Rest of upper is ok unless you have handlebars on your rails 3.) A2 style non movable stock, lots of good options out there from the ACE to the Magpul 404 4.) 10rd Mag loaded with 7 (Can you use the magblocks for your high caps?) . 4.) Replace the pistol grip with the hammer head or monsterman (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Options_for_detachable_magazines). Does that cover everything? Use this setup until the law is overturned. Would love some input on my questions above though. 1. Barrels; if one already possess a complete, NY upper they can keep it (comp/break pinned permanently), but any complete rifle with it would be subject to registration requirement. To stay compliant going forward you would have to build an upper with zero evil features ( i.e. fluted varmint barrel, bull w/target crown, etc) 2. No bayonet lugs, no forward grips. 3. Any non-telescoping stock is OK. 4. Magazines; ten rounders possessed prior to 15APR13.....at least that's what's on the menu today. Seven rounders going forward. Either way, can only load 'em to seven. 4.(sic) pistol grips; OK on possessed by 15APR13 and registered. Going forward and off the radar no go. Guess we'll have to see what our Cali brotherhood has come up with. Or you go single shot/repeater and you can have all the evil you want except mags. 
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