Posted: 8/3/2012 12:17:08 PM EDT
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Not sure you guys know or not, for those of us in the southern zone, archery now opens Oct 1.
At least something is progressing in NY. 
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Did they extend the gun season too or are we gonna have to listen to the gun only hunters whining? No and yes. The rumor was they were gng to allow an early muzzle season that would hit during archery. That would piss me off. Rifle season is long enuff IMO. |
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I tend to get bored in tree stands and start dancing, yes this is true. Now with a month and a half of bow hunting and the fact that I hunt every day after work............. be prepared for a rather humorous and tragic accident to occur. I get bored also. But I only get a day or day and a half a week to hunt, so its still better than working. |
| I'm so sick of how the bowhunters are catered to in this state! Longer seasons during the prime deer hunting time while gun hunters have to wait to what is usually the post rut to even get a chance. Heaven forbid you mention crossbow! If the NYSBA had it's way, there would be no gun season in NY! I'm glad that squirrel season is open then. It lets me get out in the woods to enjoy the beautiful scenery and get some good meat. And before any of you stick and string guys start yelling at me I have one question- Do you really consider your compound bows with 70%-80% let-off and 330+ FPS primitive weapons? I surely don't. In fact, of all the bowhunters I know only ONE hunts with a recurve. |
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Did they extend the gun season too or are we gonna have to listen to the gun only hunters whining? No they were supposed to allow a youth only hunt prior to opening day for rifle in exchange for the early season. Word is the archery folks bitched about it and now the youths got fucked out of their hunt. Hope Bow Hunters are proud of themselves... |
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I'm so sick of how the bowhunters are catered to in this state! Longer seasons during the prime deer hunting time while gun hunters have to wait to what is usually the post rut to even get a chance. Heaven forbid you mention crossbow! If the NYSBA had it's way, there would be no gun season in NY! I'm glad that squirrel season is open then. It lets me get out in the woods to enjoy the beautiful scenery and get some good meat. And before any of you stick and string guys start yelling at me I have one question- Do you really consider your compound bows with 70%-80% let-off and 330+ FPS primitive weapons? I surely don't. In fact, of all the bowhunters I know only ONE hunts with a recurve. Don't bowhunt id guess? If gun hunters were allowed to hunt the rut, you'd never see much. The deer would be so fucking scared from billy bob wandering all over spooking shit. Archery hunters go in and out undetected and sit tight. |
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Did they extend the gun season too or are we gonna have to listen to the gun only hunters whining? No they were supposed to allow a youth only hunt prior to opening day for rifle in exchange for the early season. Word is the archery folks bitched about it and now the youths got fucked out of their hunt. Hope Bow Hunters are proud of themselves... So, the kids should be archery hunting. No reason 4 guns at all during archery. Ask the PA guys how much they like it... |
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Did they extend the gun season too or are we gonna have to listen to the gun only hunters whining? No they were supposed to allow a youth only hunt prior to opening day for rifle in exchange for the early season. Word is the archery folks bitched about it and now the youths got fucked out of their hunt. Hope Bow Hunters are proud of themselves... So, the kids should be archery hunting. No reason 4 guns at all during archery. Ask the PA guys how much they like it... Yea because there are not a ton of guys walking through the woods with shotguns already. Give me a break. Bunch of prima donnas. |
| Not for nothing but the youth are the the future of our sport. You Folks can argue back and forth but I really don't care how a kid kills his first deer legally. He will be hooked as a sportsman and hunter forever. PS. don't forget about a 2A supporter as well. Just saying think about the big picture. |
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Not for nothing but the youth are the the future of our sport. You Folks can argue back and forth but I really don't care how a kid kills his first deer legally. He will be hooked as a sportsman and hunter forever. PS. don't forget about a 2A supporter as well. Just saying think about the big picture. This situation is the very definition of a FUDD move. |
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Nobody walks thru my land during archery, period. If u want to kill big bucks u have keep the pressure off the deer.
Im all about kids hunting, and like me, my son will do the same. He can hunt small game till archery opens, then stay out until he is able to bow hunt. Letting people run around in the woods during archery pretty much kills any chance of taking deer if u are trying to manage a property. Do u think guys in iowa, illinois n others would allow that shit. Not a chance in hell. The kids can wait just like I did. Id be happy w archery only, gun hunting is kinda boring. Yay I can shoot a deer @ 200ycs w m]y 300 win mag. Whoooo that's hard. 
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Nobody walks thru my land during archery, period. If u want to kill big bucks u have keep the pressure off the deer. Im all about kids hunting, and like me, my son will do the same. He can hunt small game till archery opens, then stay out until he is able to bow hunt. Letting people run around in the woods during archery pretty much kills any chance of taking deer if u are trying to manage a property. Do u think guys in iowa, illinois n others would allow that shit. Not a chance in hell. The kids can wait just like I did. Id be happy w archery only, gun hunting is kinda boring. Yay I can shoot a deer @ 200ycs w m]y 300 win mag. Whoooo that's hard. If no one is walking through your land then why do you care? |
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Nobody walks thru my land during archery, period. If u want to kill big bucks u have keep the pressure off the deer. Im all about kids hunting, and like me, my son will do the same. He can hunt small game till archery opens, then stay out until he is able to bow hunt. Letting people run around in the woods during archery pretty much kills any chance of taking deer if u are trying to manage a property. Do u think guys in iowa, illinois n others would allow that shit. Not a chance in hell. The kids can wait just like I did. Id be happy w archery only, gun hunting is kinda boring. Yay I can shoot a deer @ 200ycs w m]y 300 win mag. Whoooo that's hard. If no one is walking through your land then why do you care? I don't. Archery is just that. Let's leave it that way. Its not always about the children... 
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I thought PSE owned Hoyt. 
I'm still using a Browning that I bought used in 1981 When you compare speed, accuracy, and outright shootability of modern compound bows against the "evil crossbow" I just cannot see why there's so much disparity....neither of these are really "primitive" (remember when Muzzle loading in PA was Flintlock only?) Just because you buy a thousand dollar bow and can hit a donut size target at 45yds should not preclude me from using a different design of bow that shoots essentially the same weight & speed of the compound? In the end it all comes down to practice. Should a handgunner not be allowed to hunt in a Shotgun only area? My .300RUM will out-shoot a 30-30, so what's the difference? Seems to me the "Purists" (most of which ironically use compound bows) bitch and whine because someone with a crossbow has a perceived unfair advantage......Know what it really comes down to: Someone not wanting anyone else to get to the Deer before they do. 
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I am a bow hunter, I hunt all forms of game with a bow, whether it be squirrel or bear, it I can shoot a stick at it (liar I use carbon  ) then I will hunt it with a bow.
I am all for crossbow, anything that will get people out there using a string I support. I used to be a hardcore gun hunter thinking bow hunting was a snooty stuck up way to hunt. Then I took a bow class for shits n giggles and decided to at least "try" my luck at bow hunting, I fell in love, it is a completely different mindset to hunting. One that I have seen first hand have a deeper respect for the outdoors. Not for nothing I have not seen any bowhunters get shit faced go out in the woods and shoot at anything that moves just because they can. Instead it takes months and months of practice for that one perfect shot. I have and known every single other person that bow hunts have passed on that opportunity for that perfect animal because they felt it would be an unethical shot and refused to take it. Like I said, it is a completely different mindset bow hunters and shotgun hunters. I thought it was bullshit till I really got into it, now I pretty much only use a bow for all of my game and love every second of it. |
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I am a bow hunter, I hunt all forms of game with a bow, whether it be squirrel or bear, it I can shoot a stick at it (liar I use carbon ) then I will hunt it with a bow.
I am all for crossbow, anything that will get people out there using a string I support. I used to be a hardcore gun hunter thinking bow hunting was a snooty stuck up way to hunt. Then I took a bow class for shits n giggles and decided to at least "try" my luck at bow hunting, I fell in love, it is a completely different mindset to hunting. One that I have seen first hand have a deeper respect for the outdoors. Not for nothing I have not seen any bowhunters get shit faced go out in the woods and shoot at anything that moves just because they can. Instead it takes months and months of practice for that one perfect shot. I have and known every single other person that bow hunts have passed on that opportunity for that perfect animal because they felt it would be an unethical shot and refused to take it. Like I said, it is a completely different mindset bow hunters and shotgun hunters. I thought it was bullshit till I really got into it, now I pretty much only use a bow for all of my game and love every second of it. Honestly, how many people do you know that will shoot their bow all year/summer or for "months and months...for that one perfect shot"?! Honestly. How many times/arrows do you shoot in one practice session? How many sessions do you do and how often? This is the biggest BS excuse that the bow hunting crowd uses to keep the woods all to themselves. "Bow hunting takes so much practice, blah, blah, blah..." Of all the bow hunters I know, they will shoot MAYBE a few times a year. The same goes for the guys that bring out their guns the weekend before opening day to sight them in. I would love to see a longer gun season, or a youth gun season that coincides with bow season, or heaven forbid *gasp* even allow crossbows during archery season. As someone else stated, I'm up for allowing the most variety of weapons and variety of seasons to try to entice more and more people to try the sport of hunting. In my opinion, the more people in the woods, the better for our sport. And if you're worried that your hunt might be ruined by hunting on public land, then become a landowner yourself. |
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I am a bow hunter, I hunt all forms of game with a bow, whether it be squirrel or bear, it I can shoot a stick at it (liar I use carbon ) then I will hunt it with a bow.
I am all for crossbow, anything that will get people out there using a string I support. I used to be a hardcore gun hunter thinking bow hunting was a snooty stuck up way to hunt. Then I took a bow class for shits n giggles and decided to at least "try" my luck at bow hunting, I fell in love, it is a completely different mindset to hunting. One that I have seen first hand have a deeper respect for the outdoors. Not for nothing I have not seen any bowhunters get shit faced go out in the woods and shoot at anything that moves just because they can. Instead it takes months and months of practice for that one perfect shot. I have and known every single other person that bow hunts have passed on that opportunity for that perfect animal because they felt it would be an unethical shot and refused to take it. Like I said, it is a completely different mindset bow hunters and shotgun hunters. I thought it was bullshit till I really got into it, now I pretty much only use a bow for all of my game and love every second of it. Honestly, how many people do you know that will shoot their bow all year/summer or for "months and months...for that one perfect shot"?! Honestly. How many times/arrows do you shoot in one practice session? How many sessions do you do and how often? This is the biggest BS excuse that the bow hunting crowd uses to keep the woods all to themselves. "Bow hunting takes so much practice, blah, blah, blah..." Of all the bow hunters I know, they will shoot MAYBE a few times a year. The same goes for the guys that bring out their guns the weekend before opening day to sight them in. I would love to see a longer gun season, or a youth gun season that coincides with bow season, or heaven forbid *gasp* even allow crossbows during archery season. As someone else stated, I'm up for allowing the most variety of weapons and variety of seasons to try to entice more and more people to try the sport of hunting. In my opinion, the more people in the woods, the better for our sport. And if you're worried that your hunt might be ruined by hunting on public land, then become a landowner yourself. I shoot roughly around 20,000 arrows a year and go through a bow string every summer. secondly, what is with all the anger? seriously dude chill. |
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Used to be a gun hunter. Then got into bow hunting. Hooked forever! Totally different form gun hunting. You sit tight and wait for the deer to come to you. No driving, no busting brush, no running the deer. Just sit in your stand or blind and wait quietly and enjoy nature. As far as crossbows go, I wouldn't care if they were used during archery season. As far as I'm concerned, they are a "bow" and not a "gun " It's all a matter of preference. They both use an arrow/bolt and a string to propel them. Both take practice and require you to be somewhat close for a shot. I have never heard of another bowhunter shooting another hunter by accident.... Can't be said about gun hunters. Bowhunters are their own worse enemy when they choose to climb a tree without a safety harness, can't undertand that either??
Now during the firearm season, I stay inside or do something else. Too much BS going on out there. I own my own property that I hunt and have had enough close calls with gun hunters on public lands and also with those who think it's OK to tresspass onto my property to hunt. Last year I had a guy set up about 50 yards from one of my stands which is right behind my house!. He was less than a hundred yards away across as small swamp and I could see his face, so he facing MY HOUSE!! I "politely" advised him that #1 he was tresspassing, #2 that if he discharged a firearm that close to my house I would have him arrested. He was about 25 yards inside my property line, walked right by a few posted signs. I convinced him that it would be better if he went back the way he came and off my property and faced away from my house. Unfortunately a few bad gun hunters have spolied the image of the gun hunter. Sad but true. I used to love to gun hunt. Started going with my dad many years ago and plan on passing the tradition on with my son when he's old enough (only 5 yo now). We always gun hunted. We were always very considerate and respectful to the landowners properties that we hunted. Safety was always first! I passed up several shots because I wasn't 100% positive of what lied beyond my target. Too many people forget/ignore that rule. Over the last several years I noticed a change in hunter mentality, and that made me pursue bowhunting and getting my own property to hunt. One thing I can't stand is being in the woods with people who don't respect the land, nature, safety of others or themselves. This is the change in mentality I am talking about. Lack of respect and caring in our culture has found its way into the hunting world and it breaks my heart. I would love to see a youth hunt. One during archery season for archery! And one during regular season for firearms! And make it youth only, like turkey season. No adults with bows or guns. Just take a kid hunting and teach them the right way to respect nature and hunting. Also, unfortunately we are at the mercy of politicians who think they know better and PAC's with agendas that drive our hunting/fishing regs, instead of letting the DEC do it's job and come up with a plan that makes sense. Edit to add: As far as practice. I shoot year round. In my back yard when there's nice weather. I have a few 3-D targets set up. I shoot and an indoor range as well from time to time. I average about 4-5 days a week for at least a dozen arrows. From June thru November, it's usually 7 days a week for at least a dozen arrows. All at various yards ranging from 20-50 yards. |
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I am a bow hunter, I hunt all forms of game with a bow, whether it be squirrel or bear, it I can shoot a stick at it (liar I use carbon ) then I will hunt it with a bow.
I am all for crossbow, anything that will get people out there using a string I support. I used to be a hardcore gun hunter thinking bow hunting was a snooty stuck up way to hunt. Then I took a bow class for shits n giggles and decided to at least "try" my luck at bow hunting, I fell in love, it is a completely different mindset to hunting. One that I have seen first hand have a deeper respect for the outdoors. Not for nothing I have not seen any bowhunters get shit faced go out in the woods and shoot at anything that moves just because they can. Instead it takes months and months of practice for that one perfect shot. I have and known every single other person that bow hunts have passed on that opportunity for that perfect animal because they felt it would be an unethical shot and refused to take it. Like I said, it is a completely different mindset bow hunters and shotgun hunters. I thought it was bullshit till I really got into it, now I pretty much only use a bow for all of my game and love every second of it. Anecdotal evidence on your side says no bow hunters take unethical shots. Anecdotal evidence from my experience shows that the bow hunters know regularly wound and lose 1 deer for every deer they take. You are making assertions that bow hunters are just so much more ethical than gun hunters and I don't see it. Sorry. For the record I don't deer drive, I hunt in a stand most of the time and late season I hunt state land stalk and sit at least 2 miles from any trail head. Archery folks tend to shit on other forms of hunting and it is a douchebag thing to do. We all hunters and need to stop fucking each over. |
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I love to bowhunt. Actually prefer it over most gun seasons. October 1 is very early.
I'm in favor of anything that extends seasons. I do muzzleloader early in the Northern Zone. Hate the fact that it's after gun season down south. Only saving grace is when it's bitter cold and the number of guys in the woods dwindles. I have the luxury of hunting private land - much of it borders state too. We tag countless deer being "driven" off state land right to us. Dont really buy into the debate over "primative" weapons either. My new Mathews Z7x is a laser beam. Easy to hold at 80% and so repeatable accuracy wise I'm forced to shoot at different spots on my block target as I have a tendency to split vanes, noks and splinter shafts. My Omega ML is spot on out to 150 yards, much further than I would or could ever shoot in the field. It's shooting a 300 grain projectile with devastating results. Usually cant see the hit as the smoke cloud usually blows right into my face. My bow season is typically made up of a series of weekends. Maybe a 4 day weekend when rut hits hard. Gun opener though is a full 2 weeks vacation for me. LAst 3 or 4 days with bow, setting stands and visiting old friends/other hunting camps. The overlap it what gets me. Do I go pheasant, bow/deer or salmon fishing? Wish all of my lifes problems were like this..... |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am a bow hunter, I hunt all forms of game with a bow, whether it be squirrel or bear, it I can shoot a stick at it (liar I use carbon ) then I will hunt it with a bow.I am all for crossbow, anything that will get people out there using a string I support. I used to be a hardcore gun hunter thinking bow hunting was a snooty stuck up way to hunt. Then I took a bow class for shits n giggles and decided to at least "try" my luck at bow hunting, I fell in love, it is a completely different mindset to hunting. One that I have seen first hand have a deeper respect for the outdoors. Not for nothing I have not seen any bowhunters get shit faced go out in the woods and shoot at anything that moves just because they can. Instead it takes months and months of practice for that one perfect shot. I have and known every single other person that bow hunts have passed on that opportunity for that perfect animal because they felt it would be an unethical shot and refused to take it. Like I said, it is a completely different mindset bow hunters and shotgun hunters. I thought it was bullshit till I really got into it, now I pretty much only use a bow for all of my game and love every second of it. Honestly, how many people do you know that will shoot their bow all year/summer or for "months and months...for that one perfect shot"?! Honestly. How many times/arrows do you shoot in one practice session? How many sessions do you do and how often? This is the biggest BS excuse that the bow hunting crowd uses to keep the woods all to themselves. "Bow hunting takes so much practice, blah, blah, blah..." Of all the bow hunters I know, they will shoot MAYBE a few times a year. The same goes for the guys that bring out their guns the weekend before opening day to sight them in. I would love to see a longer gun season, or a youth gun season that coincides with bow season, or heaven forbid *gasp* even allow crossbows during archery season. As someone else stated, I'm up for allowing the most variety of weapons and variety of seasons to try to entice more and more people to try the sport of hunting. In my opinion, the more people in the woods, the better for our sport. And if you're worried that your hunt might be ruined by hunting on public land, then become a landowner yourself. Disclaimer: I don't hunt from a stand, I stalk with my bow (or at least try to) To me "that perfect shot" does not only have to do with your practice. I've been shooting a bow since I could hold one and can shoot bullseyes all day on targets in a clear field, but in the woods the whole game changes. You need to be within range, you need to have a 100% clear shot, one leaf, one twig and there goes your "perfect shot", you also need to deer to stand there while you draw and aim. I rifle hunt as well. There are MANY deer that have walked away from me in the bow season that would have been in my freezer if it were gun season. There are about 3 bears with that same story as well. When I hunt with my rifle I'm basically hunting as far as I can see. Bow? about 30 yeads........30 clear yards.
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I try to fling arrows every weekend. I also get to the range w my guns every few weeks.
Wounding critters happens, its no fun. Nobodys perfect. I took a buck quartering towards me last year @ 22yds. He took 3 steps and died. I've shot bucks in the throat and spine w a bow. None went out of my sight. Getting the perfect broadside or quartering away shot is sometimes tough. Im also a firm believer in a good expandable broadhead. I do not like fixed heads, just my choice and I find expandables leave much better blood trails and create more trauma. |