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10/18/2010 3:49:26 PM EDT
I'm trying to find what part of the law makes in legal for a FFL in NY to possess non-AWB compliant firearms, parts, etc. Can anyone direct me to this?
10/18/2010 4:20:39 PM EDT
[#1]
NYS Penal Law
S 265.20 Exemptions.
 a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:

10. Engaging in the business of gunsmith or dealer in firearms by a
person to whom a valid license therefor has been issued pursuant to
section 400.00.
10/18/2010 8:43:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Anyone know of any good Pro-2A lawyers in the Rochester area who deal or could advise on firearm related laws that would deal with a manufacturing business?
10/19/2010 5:23:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Try John Parrinello or Michael Burger.
http://redmondandparrinello.com/HomePage.html
http://www.davidsonfink.com/about-the-firm/attorney-profiles/staff/michael-a-burger
S 265.00 Definitions.
 As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following
terms shall mean and include:

...................


9. "Dealer in firearms" means any person, firm, partnership,
corporation or company who engages in the business of purchasing,
selling, keeping for sale, loaning, leasing, or in any manner disposing
of, any assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device, pistol
or revolver.


ยง 265.10 Manufacture,  transport,  disposition and defacement of weapons
            and dangerous instruments and appliances.
   1. Any person who  manufactures  or  causes  to  be  manufactured  any
 machine-gun, assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device or
 disguised gun is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who manufactures
 or causes to be manufactured any switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum
 ballistic  knife,  metal  knuckle  knife,  billy,  blackjack,  bludgeon,
 plastic knuckles, metal knuckles, Kung Fu star,  chuka  stick,  sandbag,
 sandclub or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
   2.  Any  person  who  transports  or  ships  any  machine-gun, firearm
 silencer, assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device  or
 disguised  gun,  or  who transports or ships as merchandise five or more
 firearms, is guilty of a class D felony. Any person  who  transports  or
 ships  as  merchandise  any  firearm,  other  than  an  assault  weapon,
 switchblade  knife,  gravity  knife,  pilum  ballistic   knife,   billy,
 blackjack,  bludgeon,  plastic  knuckles,  metal knuckles, Kung Fu star,
 chuka stick, sandbag or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
   3. Any person who disposes of any machine-gun, assault  weapon,  large
 capacity  ammunition  feeding  device or firearm silencer is guilty of a
 class D felony. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, or
 conceals a  machine-gun,  firearm,  large  capacity  ammunition  feeding
 device,  rifle  or  shotgun  which  has  been defaced for the purpose of
 concealment or prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting
 the identity of such machine-gun,  firearm,  large  capacity  ammunition
 feeding device, rifle or shotgun is guilty of a class D felony.
   4.  Any  person  who  disposes  of  any of the weapons, instruments or
 appliances specified in subdivision one  of  section  265.01,  except  a
 firearm, is guilty of a class A misdemeanor, and he is guilty of a class
 D felony if he has previously been convicted of any crime.
   5.  Any  person  who  disposes  of  any  of  the weapons, instruments,
 appliances or substances specified in section 265.05 to any other person
 under the age of sixteen years is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
   6. Any person who wilfully defaces  any  machine-gun,  large  capacity
 ammunition feeding device or firearm is guilty of a class D felony.
   7. Any person, other than a wholesale dealer, or gunsmith or dealer in
 firearms   duly   licensed  pursuant  to  section  400.00,  lawfully  in
 possession of  a  firearm,  who  disposes  of  the  same  without  first
 notifying  in  writing the licensing officer in the city of New York and
 counties of Nassau and Suffolk and elsewhere in the state the  executive
 department,  division  of  state  police, Albany, is guilty of a class A
 misdemeanor.




 
 
10/19/2010 10:37:00 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Try John Parrinello or Michael Burger.

http://redmondandparrinello.com/HomePage.html

http://www.davidsonfink.com/about-the-firm/attorney-profiles/staff/michael-a-burger


S 265.00 Definitions.  As used in this article and in article four hundred, the followingterms shall mean and include:................... 9. "Dealer in firearms" means any person, firm, partnership,corporation or company who engages in the business of purchasing,selling, keeping for sale, loaning, leasing, or in any manner disposingof, any assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device, pistolor revolver.ยง 265.10 Manufacture,  transport,  disposition and defacement of weapons             and dangerous instruments and appliances.    1. Any person who  manufactures  or  causes  to  be  manufactured  any  machine-gun, assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device or  disguised gun is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who manufactures  or causes to be manufactured any switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum  ballistic  knife,  metal  knuckle  knife,  billy,  blackjack,  bludgeon,  plastic knuckles, metal knuckles, Kung Fu star,  chuka  stick,  sandbag,  sandclub or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.    2.  Any  person  who  transports  or  ships  any  machine-gun, firearm  silencer, assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device  or  disguised  gun,  or  who transports or ships as merchandise five or more  firearms, is guilty of a class D felony. Any person  who  transports  or  ships  as  merchandise  any  firearm,  other  than  an  assault  weapon,  switchblade  knife,  gravity  knife,  pilum  ballistic   knife,   billy,  blackjack,  bludgeon,  plastic  knuckles,  metal knuckles, Kung Fu star,  chuka stick, sandbag or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.    3. Any person who disposes of any machine-gun, assault  weapon,  large  capacity  ammunition  feeding  device or firearm silencer is guilty of a  class D felony. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, or  conceals a  machine-gun,  firearm,  large  capacity  ammunition  feeding  device,  rifle  or  shotgun  which  has  been defaced for the purpose of  concealment or prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting  the identity of such machine-gun,  firearm,  large  capacity  ammunition  feeding device, rifle or shotgun is guilty of a class D felony.    4.  Any  person  who  disposes  of  any of the weapons, instruments or  appliances specified in subdivision one  of  section  265.01,  except  a  firearm, is guilty of a class A misdemeanor, and he is guilty of a class  D felony if he has previously been convicted of any crime.    5.  Any  person  who  disposes  of  any  of  the weapons, instruments,  appliances or substances specified in section 265.05 to any other person  under the age of sixteen years is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.    6. Any person who wilfully defaces  any  machine-gun,  large  capacity  ammunition feeding device or firearm is guilty of a class D felony.    7. Any person, other than a wholesale dealer, or gunsmith or dealer in  firearms   duly   licensed  pursuant  to  section  400.00,  lawfully  in  possession of  a  firearm,  who  disposes  of  the  same  without  first  notifying  in  writing the licensing officer in the city of New York and  counties of Nassau and Suffolk and elsewhere in the state the  executive  department,  division  of  state  police, Albany, is guilty of a class A  misdemeanor.
   


Thanks, I'll one of their offices a call.

This exemption applies to 265.10

(e) Persons employed in fulfilling defense contracts with the
government of the United States or agencies thereof when possession of
the same is necessary for manufacture, transport, installation and
testing under the requirements of such contract.

So how my understanding is that the intent is to sell the law enforcement agencies that a company would be exempt from 265.10.
10/19/2010 11:23:33 AM EDT
[#5]
No.    "Fullfill" means you already have a contract.

The whole thing is repeated in several federal laws pertaining to arms.   That's the problem- you can't demo it so you can't get the contract.
10/19/2010 11:41:00 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
No.    "Fullfill" means you already have a contract.

The whole thing is repeated in several federal laws pertaining to arms.   That's the problem- you can't demo it so you can't get the contract.


How about this exemption:

S 265.20 Exemptions.
 a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:

10. Engaging in the business of gunsmith or dealer in firearms by a
person to whom a valid license therefor has been issued pursuant to
section 400.00.


So if you are a 07 mfg. with SOT you would be exempt?
10/19/2010 11:46:31 AM EDT
[#7]
This is the manufacturing/transport/repair/disposal etc. exemption for 265.10. The exemption was recently amended to include "firearm  silencers" where previously a manufacturer in NYS was prohibited from manufacturing/transport/repair/disposal etc. of firearm silencers.






You need to consult with your attorney as to what is required to deal and/or manufacture firearms under both Federal, NYS and any local law(s) in your jurisdiction.
 ยง 265.20 Exemptions.
   a.  Sections  265.01,  265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
 265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:

............................

8.  The  manufacturer  of  machine-guns,  firearm  silencers,  assault
 weapons, large capacity  ammunition  feeding  devices,  disguised  guns,
 pilum  ballistic  knives,  switchblade  or  gravity  knives,  billies or
 blackjacks as merchandise, or as a transferee recipient of the same  for
 repair,  lawful  distribution  or  research  and  development,  and  the
 disposal and shipment thereof  direct  to  a  regularly  constituted  or
 appointed  state  or  municipal police department, sheriff, policeman or
 other peace officer, or to  a  state  prison,  penitentiary,  workhouse,
 county  jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted
 or accused of crime or held as witnesses in criminal cases,  or  to  the
 military  service  of  this  state  or  of the United States; or for the
 repair and return of the same to the lawful possessor  or  for  research
 and development.

 
10/21/2010 9:51:45 AM EDT
[#8]
the simple non legal eze answer is since ffl's can sell to le agencies and individual officers (with dept authorization) non ban compliant guns they are allowed to stock non ban compliant guns