Posted: 1/11/2009 12:45:25 PM EDT
| Okay My head is in circles here debating on whether I want to fork out the cash for a m&p15ft or just try to locate a pre-ban lower and build my own. Say I do find a pre-ban lower, how do I even order uppers then if they come with the flash suppressors? Do I just tell the person that I have a pre-ban lower and they are supossed to take my word for it? Not sure how this thing works. |
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It's really quite simple. As long as you have a AR-15 lower that was manufactured prior to Sept 13th 1994 aka. Pre-ban lower - you can sport the flash hider, bayonet lug and collapsible stock.
If you don't want to fork out the extra cash for a pre-ban lower receiver then your Rifle will have to be post-ban/NYS compliant. That means NEUTERED...no flash hider, no collapsible stock and no bayonet lug. Unfortunately, you guys in NY are stuck in the ban the entire CONUS had to endure for Ten years. I wanted my AR-15's to have all of the features they were intended to have, so I always forked out for Pre-ban lowers/Rifles during the Federal AWB. Welcome to the sickness.... |
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Pre-ban? Is this a New York thing? Maybe you should ask this in the New York forum.
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| HAHA OKAY ya this is not worth it. This seriously has me on the verge of getting a headache ..literally haha. I just cannot stand these freaking laws. If I was not in the midst of my a school semester I would literally walk to Pennsylvania and never look back. Ive got like 10 million quotes coming in from all different people and messages because every rifle I want has a flash suppressor and I need to get it removed and replaced with a comp. |
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you can order an upper with a flash hider and bayo from anyone. you don't have to tell them you have a preban lower. BUT, it is up to you to put that upper on a preban lower. if you dont you have a rifle that is illegal in this state. the upper itself doesn't matter until it is paired with a lower. if you don't want to spend the coin on a preban lower, alot of manufacturers will make a new york compliant upper. i have 2 ny compliant noveske's and a ny compliant cmmg midlength. i have always wanted the flash hider and collapsible stock but didnt want to search for and pay top dollar for a preban lower. so i had to ask for ny compliant uppers.
your other choice is to buy an upper and send it somewhere to make it ny compliant but that sucks to pay and wait for. lmt,colt,stag rock river,bushmaster,noveske,slr15 will all do a ny compliant rifle or upper. i believe lmt and colt will only do the complete rifle. i know that rainier arms will sell you an upper and have adco make it ny compliant for you before they send it to you. let me know if you have more questions. i've fought with the ny laws and remained completely legal with my guns for 5-6 years now. regards-rich |
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+1 Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. Do you have verification for this law that a preban lower has to be built into post ban config? People who are misinformed say the same about CT even though it is untrue. I can take a preban stripped lower and build it inot any configuration I want. Our AWB is similar to NY except "Colt AR15" and "Colt Sporter" are banned by name, but we have no magazine restrictions. |
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+1 Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. Do you have verification for this law that a preban lower has to be built into post ban config? People who are misinformed say the same about CT even though it is untrue. I can take a preban stripped lower and build it inot any configuration I want. Our AWB is similar to NY except "Colt AR15" and "Colt Sporter" are banned by name, but we have no magazine restrictions. Ya. I was not sure how accurate that statement was either?! I thought that was the purpose of a pre-ban lower. |
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you can order an upper with a flash hider and bayo from anyone. you don't have to tell them you have a preban lower. BUT, it is up to you to put that upper on a preban lower. if you dont you have a rifle that is illegal in this state. the upper itself doesn't matter until it is paired with a lower. if you don't want to spend the coin on a preban lower, alot of manufacturers will make a new york compliant upper. i have 2 ny compliant noveske's and a ny compliant cmmg midlength. i have always wanted the flash hider and collapsible stock but didnt want to search for and pay top dollar for a preban lower. so i had to ask for ny compliant uppers. your other choice is to buy an upper and send it somewhere to make it ny compliant but that sucks to pay and wait for. lmt,colt,stag rock river,bushmaster,noveske,slr15 will all do a ny compliant rifle or upper. i believe lmt and colt will only do the complete rifle. i know that rainier arms will sell you an upper and have adco make it ny compliant for you before they send it to you. let me know if you have more questions. i've fought with the ny laws and remained completely legal with my guns for 5-6 years now. regards-rich Hey I sent you an IM if you dont mind. |
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Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. This is just incorrect. I wish people would not answer these types of questions, when they don't know NY laws. Quoted:
It's really quite simple. As long as you have a AR-15 lower that was manufactured prior to Sept 13th 1994 aka. Pre-ban lower - you can sport the flash hider, bayonet lug and collapsible stock. If you don't want to fork out the extra cash for a pre-ban lower receiver then your Rifle will have to be post-ban/NYS compliant. That means NEUTERED...no flash hider, no collapsible stock and no bayonet lug. Unfortunately, you guys in NY are stuck in the ban the entire CONUS had to endure for Ten years. I wanted my AR-15's to have all of the features they were intended to have, so I always forked out for Pre-ban lowers/Rifles during the Federal AWB. Welcome to the sickness.... This is the right answer. |
| Hey so if i could get my hands on ANY pre-ban lower at all they would all be compatible? For instance say I found like an olympic arms pre-ban stripped lower, I could put a noveske upper and trigger group on it? And then it is essentially as good as a noveske because what does the lower really have to do with anything in terms of quality if it is completely stripped with all new internals? |
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Hey so if i could get my hands on ANY pre-ban lower at all they would all be compatible? For instance say I found like an olympic arms pre-ban stripped lower, I could put a noveske upper and trigger group on it? And then it is essentially as good as a noveske because what does the lower really have to do with anything in terms of quality if it is completely stripped with all new internals? Theoretically, any lower should fit any upper. Colt has/had some different sized takedown pin holes. So that might create a problem, but I think they make adapters. As far as the Olympic...........don't quote me, but I think they had cast lowers in their preban days, as opposed to forged. Hopefully someone can correct me, or confirm that. Either way, if you have a pre-ban lower, you can have all the "evil" features, and nothing about NY's ban applies to that specific rifle. But obviously, magazines are a separate issue, and still need to be pre-ban, if they are 10+ rounds. |
| Hey ya I have plenty of Pre-ban 30rd mags. So If I could somehow find a pre-ban lower then I could just install the trigger and what not on my own. How hard is this? Im assuming it couldent be too bad. And then I can just have an upper shipped to my door with all the eveilness I want. |
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+1 Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. WRONG! If you have a pre-ban lower, you have a pre-ban rifle. So long as it conforms to the NFA, it's still good to go. |
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Quoted: I'd also like to hear a definitive answer for that one. Hey I just read some info stating that the pre-ban lower must have been sold originally as a complete rifle. If not then it does not help out my cause. True or fale? I have a Bushmaster lower that according to their records was shipped in 1993 as a lower receiver only. I have no proof that it was built into a complete rifle before the ban. Does it matter in NY? |
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+1 Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. where do you come up with this? Not true at all. |
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I'd also like to hear a definitive answer for that one.
Hey I just read some info stating that the pre-ban lower must have been sold originally as a complete rifle. If not then it does not help out my cause. True or fale? I have a Bushmaster lower that according to their records was shipped in 1993 as a lower receiver only. I have no proof that it was built into a complete rifle before the ban. Does it matter in NY? NYS law does not specify. all it says is that the firearm must have been manufactured before 09/14/94. the lower receiver is considered the firearm on an AR. kosher in my book. |
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+1 Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. Do you have verification for this law that a preban lower has to be built into post ban config? People who are misinformed say the same about CT even though it is untrue. I can take a preban stripped lower and build it inot any configuration I want. Our AWB is similar to NY except "Colt AR15" and "Colt Sporter" are banned by name, but we have no magazine restrictions. Ya. I was not sure how accurate that statement was either?! I thought that was the purpose of a pre-ban lower. He was talking out of his ass. It's completely inaccurate. |
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Quoted: Doubt it. I really don't believe the Dimwits in Congress will make that mistake again but who knows. It will be meaningless throughout the whole country in the next few months.  The new improved NY AWB also requires NYSP registration, NICS check, CoBIS testing, prohibits possession only in your residence or to/from a range and prohibits the transfer to another NY resident. In addition AW parts are considered assault weapons. |
| Wait so what are the chances of this actually happening. I was going to go out and buy a S&W but kind of want to hold off for a Noveske now. Do you think if I made an order through Noveske and it took 4 months to get to me it would be too late? I mean im in NY I cant have the evil features as of right now anyways. I dont think they would ever ban the whole platform right? I was unaware that NY had a new and improved version. Like any criminal is going to go out and spend a thousand bucks on a rifle anyways. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Doubt it. I really don't believe the Dimwits in Congress will make that mistake again but who knows. It will be meaningless throughout the whole country in the next few months. The new improved NY AWB also requires NYSP registration, NICS check, CoBIS testing, prohibits possession only in your residence or to/from a range and prohibits the transfer to another NY resident. In addition AW parts are considered assault weapons. I'm going to be charging a $ 1 a magazine for you guys to shoot my FAB-10 since I have the only one in the state.    |
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Quoted: Odds are pretty good that the law RKBAR15 is describing will be in place by 2010.Wait so what are the chances of this actually happening. I was going to go out and buy a S&W but kind of want to hold off for a Noveske now. Do you think if I made an order through Noveske and it took 4 months to get to me it would be too late? I mean im in NY I cant have the evil features as of right now anyways. I dont think they would ever ban the whole platform right? I was unaware that NY had a new and improved version. Like any criminal is going to go out and spend a thousand bucks on a rifle anyways. |
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Quoted: Sorry the NYSP under the direction of The Governor have arbitrarily ruled that a FAB10 is primarily a military weapon with no sporting purpose and as such is illegal to possess in NYS. If you want I'll store it for you in NH for a dollar a day. I'm going to be charging a $ 1 a magazine for you guys to shoot my FAB-10 since I have the only one in the state. |
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Quoted: I'm still not convinced the Dimwits will actually risk losing the NY Senate in 2010 over a useless AWB that will have absolutely no effect on gun related crime in NY. Quoted: Odds are pretty good that the law RKBAR15 is describing will be in place by 2010.Wait so what are the chances of this actually happening. I was going to go out and buy a S&W but kind of want to hold off for a Noveske now. Do you think if I made an order through Noveske and it took 4 months to get to me it would be too late? I mean im in NY I cant have the evil features as of right now anyways. I dont think they would ever ban the whole platform right? I was unaware that NY had a new and improved version. Like any criminal is going to go out and spend a thousand bucks on a rifle anyways. fortyfour: The "new" AWB passed the NY Assembly in 2008 but died in the Republican controlled NY Senate. It remains to be seen whether the same or a similar Bill will actually be enacted into law in 2009 to take effect in 2010. It appears that the Bill if passed would eliminate the distinction between pre and postban rifles so the number of features (1, 2, 3 etc.) would not make any difference. Even a pump action rifle with a muzzle brake would be a banned AW. Go ahead and buy whatever you want. If the this new AWB is enacted into law without any changes you'll still have until 4-1-2010 to register it with the NYSP. Like I said I'm still not convinced that it will enacted into law in 2009. Unfortunately I also thought McCain would win and the Republicans would retain control of the NY Senate. |
| Hey ya Ive never really payed too close attention to the whole legislative process until I got into the AR within this year. Im just hoping there isent a national ban that makes it even harder on us then it already is. Im waiting the 5 months for a noveske instead of "buying now" and hoping it wont be a mistake. |
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Even if you found a "Pre-Ban" lower you couldn't build anything other than a "Post-Ban" rifle according to your present laws because New York didn't repeal the laws on the State's books. Your best advice will come from New York residents. Pre ban lower allows you to build preban rifle, grandfathered in.Meaning....threaded muzzle, flash suppressor,bayonet mount, telescopic stock.Now, it does NOT mean you can use post ban hi cap mags though, THEY are illegal period.Yes, you can buy any upper you want,they are NOT considered a firearm ( unless barrel is shorter than 16"). 
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| Ha! God my brain hurts from this shit! I have been told that the pre ban stripped lower had to be sold as a complete rifle prior to the ban by a certain ffl in dutches county.... IMO.... fuck it... i have asked all the LEO's that I know and they have no idea about any of these stupid fucking laws, and we are the only ones who actually have spent time trying to abide by them. If you plan on staying in NY for the rest of your life and will be shooting at public or strict ranges then I might invest in the pre bran lower and building a pre-ban ar with all the goodies. |
| Ya you know what the only real difference is the uppers have a suppressor that can be removed so I think for my next build Im buying a standard lower and getting a upper with a freakin thread barrel and putting a compensator on their anyways but that way when I want to actually be able to configure the rifle to my liking Im not stuck with a IZZY brake welded on there. |
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Ya you know what the only real difference is the uppers have a suppressor that can be removed so I think for my next build Im buying a standard lower and getting a upper with a freakin thread barrel and putting a compensator on their anyways but that way when I want to actually be able to configure the rifle to my liking Im not stuck with a IZZY brake welded on there. If your barrel has threads, you either need a comp/brake or a thread protector. Either would need to be permanently attached. That's not the only difference in pre/post ban uppers though. Post ban uppers also have no bayo lug, which is another thing you cant have in NY on a post-ban. As far as lowers.....no folding/telescoping stocks on a post-ban in NY, either. |