and further clarification as to how a florida permit applies to PA specifically.

edit: from the link:

Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit.  It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.

Ok, thats quite clear and understandable, but thats different from what rkbar15 said. He said PA will only issue a CCW to a person already holding a CCW from their HOME state. According to that link, PA will issue to people holding non-res CCWs from Florida, which is what he said in the second part of his post... hence, why I was confused.

if you are a NJ resident and have a non-resident florida permit (which florida issues to non-residents from NJ) you can then legally carry in pennsylvania (and a lot of other states who recognize florida's permit).

PA will not issue a permit to a NJ resident unless the NJ resident has a carry permit in NJ (and we all know the story with NJ carry permits) but if you have a FL permit you don't technically NEED a PA permit to carry in PA.

No, its an unrestricted license.

Indeed us informed NJ residents have no worries with PA carry after obtaining our FL non-resident permit...life is good for us in a whole bunch of free states - just not behind the enemy lines here in occupied NJ.

Oooohhh Ok, I think what I was missing is the reciprocity thing. You're not getting a PA permit. You're getting a FL permit, and because of reciprocity PA will honor that permit. For some reason I was reading it as PA issuing a permit to NJ residents based on an FL permit.

because i do nearly all of my shooting in PA, if i could still get a PA permit i would... as a 'just in case' so i don't have to try and explain reciprocity and the attorney general's statement, etc. etc. etc.

Correct. I never said PA would issue a PA non-res license with a FL non-res license. Sorry if that wasn't clear but we've gone over this so many times over the years I try to make things as short and simple as possible.



"AFAIK PA state law currently requires a carry license from your home
state in order to qualify for a non-res PA license. NJ does issue carry
licenses so AFAIK you're out of luck if you're a NJ resident. FL has no
such rules so that is the only available way to carry in PA if you're a
NJ resident."

 

I just sent in my application today.
Hope to see it next week.

ETA: I have a Suffolk county Sportsman license

Got my PA non-res CC permit in the mail yesterday.
It had a paper stapled to it that stated "sign line #17, keep original and mail back two other copies"
Really fast turn around.

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Sent my PA paperwork out on June 18th (Center County) before vacation and had it waiting in my mailbox on the June 27th.

I have a NY Carry (no restrictions) permit from Monroe County FYI.
The PA permit is in triplicate; I'm currently keeping the white copy PA permit right next to my NY carry permit,,,do I need to do anything special with the yellow and pink carbon copies? There were no instructions on sending back the duplicate carbons[>://

I'm dropping off my Utah paperwork tomorrow...heard the wait is around 3 months right now, over 10,000 applicants for out of state UT permits already in 2009. The UT permit issuing authority consists of a skeleton staff (less than a dozen total) that is using a paper filing system...I see why it takes awhile, but its nothing compared to the near year long wait for a NY CCW[://

UPDATE for UTAH permit holders, Nevada is no longer offering reciprocity with out of state UT CCW permits. Nevada now mandates a live fire portion to its approved training curriculum which UT doesn't have. But West Virginia is now good for UT permit holders, so the net amount of states with reciprocity stays the same (30) with WV being a nice state to pickup as its much more close to us NY/NJ folks.

what are you guys selecting for your reason to carry a firearm when you apply for the PA license ?

Self Defense.

sign them and send them back
(keep  the white copy

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7 calendar day turn around for PA non-res CCW. Centre County and Sheriff Nau FTMFW!
I have a Suffolk County, NY sportsman and now have an unrestricted CCW for PA.
At the least I can carry when transporting all my guns for hunting when I travel out to the western part of NYS.

A special thanks to "this link" and those in the know. (rkbar et. al.)
Because of this 4 more applications have been sent to PA this week alone....

Six day calendar turn-around for me; they probably mailed the license back the day after they received the ap.

Good work Sheriff, and thanks to the group for keeping this avenue alive.

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If you have an out of state permit that does not have direct reciprocity with PA you may still carry in your vehicle, transport as necessary and Open Carry in public in PA.  An additional PA carry permit simply allows you to CC in public and have that piece of mind that a truely unrestricted permit gives you.

You cannot carry loaded in your car unless you have a LTCF.  Also you cannot carry in cities of first class at all (phili).  

SEE question 1 and 2 on  PAopencarry.org

A PA resident cannot carry loaded in their car, concealed in public or openly in a city of the first class without an LTCF.

An out of state resident can carry loaded in their vehicle, or openly in the state of PA with a valid out of state carry permit.  They may not carry concealed in public or openly in a city of the first class without an LTCF or permit from a recip. state.

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.––Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(b) Exceptions.––The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

1. Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
2. Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
3. The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
4. Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded.
5. Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
6. Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
7. Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
8. Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a location to which the person has been directed to surrender firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the surrendered firearm.
9. Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
10. Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
11. Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.––

1. Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.
2. Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

(d) Revocation of registration.––Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof

You are correct.  I meant to say you cannot carry concealed in your car without a license to carry a firearm.  But it seems that is wrong too because it makes no distinction.

Correct.  For the purposes of carrying in your car, there is no such thing as openly carrying in a vehicle, and concealed car carry is covered if you have an LTCF or any other state issued carry permit.  Open carry requires nothing unless you are in Philly.  You are on foot so you don't have to provide any sort of ID, just your name, nor do you have to provide an LTCF, or even have one.

By the way, i just had mine approved in 1 day (Centre County).  I know this because i sent the application first class (expensive by the way) and i called the day after it arrived because there was an error on my application i wanted to correct.  They said I was already approved.  The six day wait it seems is for traveling time in the mail.

Note: I also have a "sportsman" restriction on my NY license.

let me see ifi got this right when and if i get my new york state ccw .i can apply for a ccw in florida ???do i need one in mass.too ??

LOOK HERE.  That is why i set that page up...just follow the instructions and your done.

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I guess this is my next step. The PA permit seems cheap and easy, but doesn't give me some of the states I would like. The Utah or Florida seem to be the way to go, but the process and expense is a little greater. I hardly ever travel out of state these days, but I do have people in Virginia and Florida and miss Tennessee.

You can't carry in FL with a non-resident UT CCW. FL also doesn't have the special training req. that UT has either. Unless you need to carry in either WA or MN I don't see the point of getting a UT CCW.





 

Thanks for clearing that up I guess that simplifies my next steps a bit. Too bad the PA permit isn't recognized in Florida.

FL, NH, CO, ME, MI etc. do not accept non-resident CCWs from any state they have reciprocal agreements with.

so what do i need to carry in CO.

Move to a state that CO has a reciprocal agreement with. Until then you're SOL.



 

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I sent my application out last Tuesday. I'll let you all know how I make out!

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Great timing...I just completed and mailed the application after reading this thread.

I really need to get cracking on the FL non-res since my folks live down there.

Looking back at this I forgot to say how I made out. I got the permit in about 10 days I think!

Just a heads up for anyone wanting a PA CCW

I have been informed as of Jan 1, 2011 NON-RES applicants must appear in person this is from a PA forum.
I believe that may be because PA is switching to a new format for their LTCF cards. Rather than be the older overized paper cards where you could attach a photo, I was led to believe (by the folks at Centre County) that they were adopting a state-wide system that would issue ID cards like a drivers license. Because they need to actually snap your picture into the system, you're going to have to actually BE THERE, like getting a new DL made...

link http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=37785&forum_id=46&jump_to=664807

I'm almost a month in with no response back yet.  My check hasn't cleared either.  Did the wait times get longer or do I need to make a call?

Did you go through Centre County?

Yes.

5 days from mailing to in my hand....
WE NEED DENNY NAU in SUFFOLK COUNTY!!!!!!!

Mine arrived today.  Kinda silly that I can cc in PA, but my home state (county) issues a hunting/target restriction.

Will this have to be done in person as of 2011 as Centre County thanks in advance

I think it's worth writing to your County Clerk and challenging your NY restrictions.  I felt the same way when I got my Florida permit.

It's on my "To Do" list.