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8/18/2008 2:25:45 PM EDT
I've looked around, can't find the answer. does anyone know if the DPMS Panther compensators are legal? i need to know tonight, so that if they aren't, i can call Del-Ton and have them change it if necessary.
8/18/2008 2:29:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Which one, what's it look like?  A quick Google search gave me too many versions to be sure which one you mean.
8/18/2008 2:56:07 PM EDT
[#2]
lemme get the link... i'm pretty sure its not g2g... :(

www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5154&cat=1687

can't actually see in the front, maybe the end is plugged but recessed...
8/18/2008 3:06:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Looks like a comp to me, the description says it diverts the gasses through the ports also.
8/18/2008 3:12:03 PM EDT
[#4]
so is it kosher?
8/18/2008 3:42:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Mmmmm.... I dunno.  With out any baffle of any type, I don't see how it can pass the litmus test.

The way I've always understood it, with no expansion chamber and/or no baffle(s), you'd be hard pressed to prove it's not a flash hider.  
8/18/2008 3:46:16 PM EDT
[#6]
I would say GTG
8/18/2008 3:56:25 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Mmmmm.... I dunno.  With out any baffle of any type, I don't see how it can pass the litmus test.

The way I've always understood it, with no expansion chamber and/or no baffle(s), you'd be hard pressed to prove it's not a flash hider.  


I would have to agree. Looks like a flashhider to me.
8/18/2008 4:20:17 PM EDT
[#8]
def a comp
8/18/2008 4:44:40 PM EDT
[#9]
does anyone have one? possibly a store owner or something? can someone verify this for me? i trust dieter and 762dm, but i just don't want to be the guinea pig.
8/18/2008 4:47:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Call them and ask them if they got a BATFE ruling on the product. FWIW the military calls the A2 a comp. The restriction does not have to be a near total blockage of the muzzle but there has to be redirection of gases.
8/18/2008 5:33:27 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
does anyone have one? possibly a store owner or something?


As per the Magpul stock thread...  don't EVER base a guns legality on the fact a gun store is selling it. For the longest time there were plenty of stores selling COMPLETELY illegal rifles (ban wise).
8/18/2008 6:39:38 PM EDT
[#12]
i suppose... but, does anyone have one? possibly a DPMS rifle?
8/18/2008 6:43:11 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
does anyone have one? possibly a store owner or something?


As per the Magpul stock thread...  don't EVER base a guns legality on the fact a gun store is selling it. For the longest time there were plenty of stores selling COMPLETELY illegal rifles (ban wise).


Correct, there are stores like Sarco Inc in north NJ that sell tons of insanely NJ illegal things for out of state purchase only.
8/18/2008 8:32:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Maybe you should play it safe and change to this:
www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=389&cat=1687
8/19/2008 12:41:49 AM EDT
[#15]
The way I've read over and over, on how to tell the difference is that a compensator has an inner diameter almost the same size as the barrel (like the one Lloyd-Jr linked to), and a FH is opened up, like a regular A2 FH or the how the one looks like the OP.


Quoted:
Maybe you should play it safe and change to this:
www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=389&cat=1687


+1
8/19/2008 4:04:38 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
The way I've read over and over, on how to tell the difference is that a compensator has an inner diameter almost the same size as the barrel (like the one Lloyd-Jr linked to), and a FH is opened up, like a regular A2 FH or the how the one looks like the OP.


This, but also


Quoted:
Call them and ask them if they got a BATFE ruling on the product.


'cause the ATF may have ruled it as not being a flash hider.

-WTF
8/19/2008 5:21:19 AM EDT
[#17]
Unless DPMS has an approval letter from ATF that it is not a flash suppressor I would pass on it. There are numerous ATF approved brakes/compensators available,

groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/muzzledevices.msnw

www.bushmaster.com/electronic-documents/2006CatalogV1/P46-48%20Muzzle%20Brakes.pdf
8/19/2008 6:39:16 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Maybe you should play it safe and change to this:
www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=389&cat=1687


Actually, that would not be playing it safe as the diameter of the Branson brake is 22mm and as such, it could be considered a grenade launcher since NATO uses 2mm muzzle devices to fire rifle grenades.

Your best bet for a look alike A2 brake is the Cav Comp from Brownells.

Cav comp

8/19/2008 10:07:51 AM EDT
[#19]
okay. that Maryland Shooters site had the DPMS comp i'm getting and it says "okay for postban"

whew.
8/19/2008 11:13:14 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Unless DPMS has an approval letter from ATF that it is not a flash suppressor I would pass on it. There are numerous ATF approved brakes/compensators available,

groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/muzzledevices.msnw

www.bushmaster.com/electronic-documents/2006CatalogV1/P46-48%20Muzzle%20Brakes.pdf


ATF isnt going to approve or disprove it either way, the federal ban is over with, they can care less about state law....they cant advise anyone on whats legal/illegal on that level.
8/19/2008 11:25:30 AM EDT
[#21]
No, but they can rule whether or not something is classified as a muzzle brake a compensator or a flash hider/suppressor.
8/19/2008 11:28:03 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
ATF isnt going to approve or disprove it either way, the federal ban is over with, they can care less about state law....they cant advise anyone on whats legal/illegal on that level.


You're missing the point. There are numerous ATF postban approved brakes and compensators on the market. If you ever need to establish that your muzzle device is not a FH or 22mm grenade launcher having an ATF approved postban muzzle device will help establish that.
8/19/2008 2:22:25 PM EDT
[#23]
I had one.  Came with my rifle kit because it was the only "comp" del-ton had at the time.  I never installed it and sold it because it didn't seem like a comp.  It was hollow insdie, like a flash-hider, but it just had holes instead of slots.  If I"m not mistaken, don't NYS friendly comps usually have to have a small hole at the end, since that won't hide flash, cant have the big open end, like a hider?
8/19/2008 3:09:36 PM EDT
[#24]
I have the cav-comp from brownells.The one I got has square ended slots not rounded like the pic above.It comes predrilled so it can be pinned and welded,The pin is included too.
8/19/2008 5:33:09 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Maybe you should play it safe and change to this:
www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=389&cat=1687


Actually, that would not be playing it safe as the diameter of the Branson brake is 22mm and as such, it could be considered a grenade launcher since NATO uses 2mm muzzle devices to fire rifle grenades.

Your best bet for a look alike A2 brake is the Cav Comp from Brownells.

Cav comp

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100000189.jpg



EGW makes two better looking (IMHO) ones, one standard A2 size an one slightly "not a grenade launcher" sized larger. Someone has them on clearance this month... think it might be Midway.
8/19/2008 9:33:45 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Maybe you should play it safe and change to this:
www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=389&cat=1687


Actually, that would not be playing it safe as the diameter of the Branson brake is 22mm and as such, it could be considered a grenade launcher since NATO uses 2mm muzzle devices to fire rifle grenades.

Your best bet for a look alike A2 brake is the Cav Comp from Brownells.

Cav comp

www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100000189.jpg



EGW makes two better looking (IMHO) ones, one standard A2 size an one slightly "not a grenade launcher" sized larger. Someone has them on clearance this month... think it might be Midway.


Actually EGW is the one I have on my 16" carbine, I like it and am happy with both
how it looks and works!

EGW A2 look-alike Comp

Colorado page where I first saw it.
8/23/2008 7:23:13 AM EDT
[#27]
You are allowed to have a flash suppressor/hider if it is the only baned item on your gun. If you have a pistol grip, telescoping/folding stock bayonet mount or grenade launcher as well, it would be illegal. That is of course if your gun is a semi-automatic with a removable magazine.
8/23/2008 8:50:58 AM EDT
[#28]
thank you, we knew that thought.
8/23/2008 5:08:16 PM EDT
[#29]
I like that EGW brake, but for what it is it's awful expensive.
8/23/2008 6:02:39 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
I like that EGW brake, but for what it is it's awful expensive.


Just because it looks similar to something that's cheap and easy to make, doesn't mean it is.  
8/24/2008 2:03:17 AM EDT
[#31]
I prefer the KKF Fake Flash Hider, It protects the muzzle & Looks good without making the Racket that all the Brakes do.