Posted: 3/27/2008 4:45:59 AM EDT
from the NYC.GOV website  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PR- 103-08 March 26, 2008 STATEMENT BY MAYOR BLOOMBERG AND COUNCIL SPEAKER QUINN ON PROPOSED NASSAU COUNTY BAN OF GUN COLORATION KITS Statement by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg "I applaud Nassau County for taking steps to implement a ban on gun coloration kits that is similar to the ban New York City put in place two years ago. Police officers have a hard enough job as it is without having to worry about whether a person with a pink gun is carrying a toy or a deadly weapon. Putting our officers in that position is beneath any self-respecting business owner - and make no mistake, it could lead to terrible tragedies. I thank County Executive Suozzi and Police Commissioner Mulvey for taking this important step to protect the safety of their officers - and of all residents." Statement by Council Speaker Christine C. Quinn "The selling of brightly colored hand guns can only lead to an unnecessary tragedy. These guns show a complete disregard for public safety, and place both police officers and everyday New Yorkers at risk. I commend Thomas Suozzi and all the officials in Nassau County for joining with New York City in this fight." What will be legal? Original finish only, commercial manufactuer (real tree etc), If I have a Blue Barrel rifle and Duracoat it Black does that count as a GUN COLORATION? Thoughts? Who should we call or write  edit typos |
Oh Jeezus, I was going to bring my pink AR on my next rat hunting trip to the city. |
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Point a pink polka dotted gun at a police officer and if you refuse his/her command to drop the gun you should expect the PO to use deadly physical force in defense of his life. How does enacting a law prohibiting pink polka dotted guns change this scenario? The color of the gun is immaterial as to whether it is a toy or a real gun. The PO can't possibly determine that until the subject is disarmed and he can personally examine it. I can see this proposed law working against the safety of police officer's. The police unions should be opposing this law. |
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What scares me about this is what defines gun coloration? Many toy guns you can buy at your local toys r us are cammo in design. Does this mean they will be coming after those of us with a cammo duracoat on our AR's, AK's, etc? Where does the madness end? Just about any weapon that isn't 'black' and 'evil' looking could potentially be up for banning now. Hell, even the 'hunters' with their woodland cammo shotguns could be in trouble now. This is just ridiculous. A PO ALWAYS assumes that the firearm is real unless examined closely firsthand. Ifyou are going to point a weapon, toy or otherwise, at a PO you deserve to get a double tap to the chest. This is just yet ANOTHER example of how legislators legislate without ANY knowledge of the subject. Oh, and for the pre-ban coloration, how the hell are they ever going to prove that you duracoated your firearm prior to or post ban? It's not like there is some serial number in the paint. Oh wait, I've got it: they are going to mandate nanotechnology serial number encoding at a molecular level with the date of manufacture of paint. |
Actually "Black" is a color as well as "White" and I am sure some anti-gunner at some point is going to point this fact out to a sympathetic judge and bam, a total ban since "colored" guns are prohibited and "Black" is a color. Unless the bans are specifically written to exempt common firearm colors such as Black, Blue, Grey and Brown, and why would they since it leaves the door open to a lot of funny business, these new bans will cause a lot of problems down the road. I wonder what this means for people with those purple "Bushies". Frankly these color bans are stupid. If you are dumb enough to point anything that looks like a firearm at a PO, and I do not care if it is black, blue, purple, pink, green or plaid, you deserve what happens to you. Kids should not be pointing toy guns at PO's no matter the color. If they do, perhaps the gene pool will be cleaned up a bit. |
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One that note.... There is a tacked safety bulletin in each classroom the police academy just east of NYC regarding this. It's filled with pics of custom colored guns, including a multi color glock, a green and yellow AK and a pink AR with a KalashnaKitty sticker on the stock. So expect no quarter from the rookies. |
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The obvious solution to this would be to build an invisible gun After all, if it is invisible, it has no color, does it. And best of all, if they later decide to ban invisible guns, how the hell would they know if there is a gun if it is invisible and cannot be seen..... |
we got a tacked paper about colored guns at the airport for TSA too.. "REAL GUN: GLOCK 9mm"....uh huh and its pink, big deal. |
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Hey guys, did anyone stop to think of an officers safety here? What do LEO's train with? They train with colored dummy guns (red and blue). My concern is for the officer. Lets say a LEO sees someone with a colored gun and he hesitates because it looks like a training dummy gun. That hesitation may cost him his life. THAT's my concern.....not about figting this because it's an "anti gun" thing. I think we should pick our fights. Lets worry about keeping our "black" guns/rifles. btw, of those who are against this new legislation, let me ask this. Do any of you have a "colored" gun (except the guy with the pink AR) ? I'm betting no. So, let the libtards have their little anti-gun victory. Think of the LEO's safety. |
FAIL. and FAIL on post 556 too The LEO that hesitates when a gun is pointing at him is in deep shit. I don't care what color it is. |
I disagree for several reasons: Cops "shoot" bad guys holding colored guns in training every day. If anything they will likely shoot at someone pointing a colored gun at them as fast or faster then someone with a non-colored gun. Proper training to evaluate the threat and acting accordingly is the key in a shoot don't shoot scenario. The color of the gun isn't going to make any difference. A criminal who plans to use a gun to commit a crime or kill a LEO isn't going to comply with a law banning colored guns. Gun control has failed miserably in NYS and other jurisdictions for the simple reason that only law abiding citizens comply while criminals simply ignore the law. |
Sig, I take it that you are a LEO? While I understand your concern, I want you to know that I have officer safety first and foremost in my mind. First, an officer should always be cautious and assume that the perp has a live weapon. Second, and why I have such issue with the ban, is the following. The law gets passed and it is in the collective conciousness of LEO's that brightly colored firearms are illegal and therefore do not exist. Thus, when they see a brightly colored firearm pointed at them by some teen, they will assume that it is not infact a real firearm and conclude that it must be a toy. This hesitation that it MAY be a toy, is exactly what puts their life in direct danger. A LEO's job is very dangerous and we need to keep their personal safety in mind at all times. Banning gun coloration kits will make people assume that brightly colored firearms are toys and, possibly, to overlook the fact that it may be a live firearm. Finally, as I stated before, where does it end? Walk through a KB toys (are they still around?) or a toys r us and look at the toy guns. They are in desert cammo. They come in woodland cammo. Many of these toys have finishes that look similar to finishes that real people use on their weapons. Hunters use cammo on shotguns that come like that from the manufacturer. Many of us put on a cammo duracoat to fit the environment we anticipate operating in. We duracoat for longevity of our weapons. Does this mean that becaues toy guns may have these cammo patterns that are used on real weapons for legitimate purposes that we have to ban all the cammo patterns? Certainly not. If we give in to this, we give into the next seemingly insignificant thing. For those of us with kids (and I dont have any), do you give in to your child over just the little things? NO! They become spoiled little brats when you keep letting them have the little things they want when you think you are controlling them by denying the 'big' stuff. You have to draw a line in the sand. I will not stand for their progressive gun control measures. |
Umm, if a colored gun means tan or green, then yes. I do have colored guns. |
So what's next when we're thinking of officer safety? Pesky hi cap mags? Pesky concealable handguns? AP ammo? 5.7mm "cop killer bullets?" Those darn rapid firing self loading semi auto rifles? Stamp some ID # on the ejected shell? Serialized bullets? Oh wait, it's all in the works. DO NOT let the libtards have their "little anti gun victory." It has been proven time and time again that it is a slippery slope. Each little victory emboldens them and weakens us. Show me an example of a cop being killed because he hesitated at the presentation of a colored weapon and said "Oh, a toy." Show me one instance of a cop having his OODA loop disrupted and defeated by a criminal with a colored weapon. But this is just the sort of BS that looks good and feels good and does NOTHING! Just like FOP and high ranking cops very publicly coming out against guns that are used against cops in the name of officer safety. How is that any different than your line against a painted gun? You have articulated you point as perfectly as Sarah Brady does regarding semi autos and as Rosie does when trying to whip a herd of soccer moms into a frenzy.. You've simply applied the EXACT rationale they use to want to ban guns. Hey, who really has an "assault rifle" except the gun nuts? I could plug any gun item they want to ban in "your" argument which is really a verbatin gun grabber argument. Perps ARE NOT painting their guns clown colors. If they were looking to that much of a drop and it was a sound theory you would have seen it already. They need merely buy a FOUR DOLLAR can of spray paint. Or do you actually believe that they are sending their illegaly posssesed guns of to Lauer Custom for a $200 paint job? Look in the mirror and rethink what you've said and your true stance on this. Because if you want loud color guns banned in the name of officer safety I can't for the life of me understand why you WOULDN'T want other guns banned in the name of officer safety when assault weapons and handguns HAVE been used to kill officers and mow down school kids. Look at the FBI UCR and see how many officers HAVE been killed with "assault rifles" and handguns. Proven verified killings that have absolutely occurred. So pray tell why do you not want those banned when they have a legit provable body count of murdered police officers. Where is your concern for officer safety now? I'll tell you why. Because they phony scenario of an officer confronted with what he believes to be a toy only to have it spew forth a deadly round reeks of dirty pool. Unfair play. And bagpipes and tears pass through your head. But it sounds like such a good idea to ban the colored guns. How could you not get behind it unless you are an unfeeling fool. Newsflash. Criminals have used dirty underhanded tactics for decades to get the upper hand and the drop on a cop they intend to kill but they haven't done it with a colored gun. Hell, while your at it, call Cav Arms and voice your objection to their entire line of products. Call every custom gun shop that practices this newly deemed deadly art of masking a real a gun in plain site and give them a piece of your mind. For your info I DO own a colored weapon. A nice electric green set from Cav Arms. For your info I DO work for a PD. Also, I've been in EMS since 1989 and paid since 92. I spent a chunk of time in NYC and have yet to see a colored gun used in a crime. |
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The colored guns thing isn't new. (for the sake of conversation, lefts forget spray paint in a can was invented in 1949) High Standard made colored Sentinels years ago... so we've been facing this terrible public safety crisis for near 40 years now. Where's the pile of bodies? Colored guns should be illegal because people might use them against cops? You know what's already illegal? Using guns against cops. I think in reality you have two situations: 1. Where cops know real guns come in any color, and are ready for such. or 2. You pass a do nothing law which will only add more of the doubt and hesitation in a police officers mind, which is what you're worried about. Instead of passing silly gun "coloring laws" , they should pass a "Point a gun at the cops (any color, real, fake, toy, whatever) and they're going to kill you law". Wouldn't that make a lot more sense and make the cops safer? Sure... but it's not going to win any votes. |
Ask and ye shall receive: S715  Sponsored by: Senator BOB SMITH District 17 (Middlesex and Somerset) Co-Sponsored by: Senator Scutari SYNOPSIS Clarifies that "airsoft" guns are firearms. STATEMENT This bill would clarify that "airsoft" guns constitute firearms and therefore are subject to this State's strict laws regulating the sale, possession, and use of firearms. Airsoft guns are replica firearms used primarily for sporting and recreational purposes, including military games. They use compressed-air, gas, or spring or electric-operated pistons to shoot non-metallic pellets or balls. Because these guns shoot plastic rather than metal pellets, it is not clear under current law whether they are considered firearms similar to "BB" guns. Therefore, the bill revises the definition of a firearm by specifying that any air gun, spring gun, gun utilizing a gas or electric-operated piston, pistol, including one that is shoulder-fired, or similar weapon which ejects a pellet or ball made of polymer or metallic-coated polymer constitutes a firearm. Under this revised definition, airsoft guns would be considered firearms and regulated similar to BB guns. For example, a person would have to be at least 21 years of age to purchase an airsoft handgun or 18 years of age to purchase airsoft rifles. The person also would have to obtain a permit to purchase the gun, pass a criminal background check, and not be subject to any disqualifications for firearms ownership. Police officers in municipalities throughout this State report an increase in the use of these authentic looking airsoft guns by juveniles. While federal law mandates that toy guns have an orange tip, including airsoft guns, they have been known to be sold without these tips. And even if they are lawfully sold with the appropriate tip, both juvenile and adult buyers often alter the tips so that they cannot be differentiated from real guns. This situation resulted in tragedy in Longwood, Florida when 15 year-old Chris Penley threatened his classmates with an airsoft gun which appeared to be a Beretta 9mm. Penley was killed when he pointed the gun at a police officer. It is the sponsor's hope that such tragic consequences can be avoided in this State by strictly regulating airsoft guns. |
He got what he deserved. It is not up to the LEO to determine in a split second whether the gun is real or not. He should assume that it is and shoot the guy. My blood pressure went up after reading that.
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Then it might be a good time to take a beta blocker so you can read this next idiocy: S138  Sponsored by: Senator NICHOLAS P. SCUTARI District 22 (Middlesex, Somerset and Union) SYNOPSIS Prohibits sale of imitation firearms to persons under age of 18. STATEMENT This bill would make it a disorderly persons offense to sell, transfer or assign an imitation firearm to a person under the age of 18. An imitation firearm is defined in New Jersey’s firearm statutes as an object or device that is “reasonably capable of being mistaken for a firearm.” Under the provisions of this bill, an individual who sells, transfers or assigns an imitation firearm to a person under the age of 18 would be guilty of a disorderly persons offense. The bill accords an affirmative defense for any person who sells, transfers or assigns an imitation firearm to a person under the age of 18 based on: (1) individual’s presenting a photographic driver’s license, or other similar photographic card purporting to be a valid identification card , indicating that the person is 18 years of age or older; (2) the individual’s appearance would lead an ordinary prudent person to believe that the individual was 18 years of age or older; and (3) the sale, transfer or assignment was made in good faith relying on the factors in (1) and (2). A disorderly persons offense is punishable by a fine of up to $1,000; imprisonment for a term of up to six months; or both. The provisions of this bill are patterned after the statute that prohibits the sale of combat or survival knives with blades of more than five inches to persons under the age or 18. |
 Seriously? As stated before, this is utter bullshit reasoning. And no, I will not let the libtards have any more anti-gun vicoty's; its an emotional decision on their part, and it infringes on my 2nd Ammendment Rights. The RKBA doesn't say "...the Right to Keep and Bear "Normal or Sporting Colored" Arms Shall not be infringed" |
STOP! You're killing me!!! *paging cardiac doctor* |
Agreed, & love that smiley. Does Sig work for the ATF by chance? In another thread he wants local leo's to inspect our weapons at a get together...
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Yeah, i work for the ATF...how the hell did you know? Listen jackass, don't screw with my character. I don't agree with you guys on the "colored guns"...big freaking deal. Don't go reaching about the other thread. I was trying to help the OP from being worried. I was not asking for us to have some ATF officer checking rifles, i was merely suggesting that one of us guys who planned to attend ( perferred a LEO) to check the rifles to set everyone at ease. If you want to attack my character, you had better get to know me first. You just tried to kick me in the nuts and i don't appreciate that. |
 No LEO in his right mind is going to do that. You would be asking him/her to possibly ignore a violent felony offense committed in his presence. That is a completely untenable situation to put a PO in. |
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Let's stop flaming Sig for his opinion. I respectfully disagree, but some of you got a little personal. We can certainly have a debate without mudslinging. When a debate turns into that, it really is just a sign that you are uncomfortable with your own position and have to resort to personal attacks. [sucker punch] Even though Sig IS wrong.....  [/sucker punch]
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I've been on this site for seven years now. The one thing I noticed (and it is merely a sad commentary on the state we live in) is how much nervous hand wringing can go into something a s simple get together. I am in no way knocking the OP at all (my brother and BIL are lawyers too so I sometimes am inundated with the "what ifs" ad nauseum) and it is certainly forward thinking regarding what the neighbors may see so please don't take it this way. We do not need a cop to check our guns. We are responsible citizens and to suggest otherwise is just nanny-ish and disrespectful to any citizen. You show up at my home with something illegal and it'll be "thanks for coming, please leave." Maybe someone should check registrations and inspection sticker on our cars too. To offer the thought that mayeb we need a cop to police us is utterly ludicrous. Sig, all due respect to you and your career path but this is just the type of "well intentioned" advice from someone who doesn't get it. Americans can own guns. We do not need LE supervision to gather to make is safe and OK. Maybe you just do not realize how off you sound but this is just the type of gentle encroachment that starts the shit rolling downhill. Honestly, try dishing out your advice and concerns when you hit NC in a few years to gun owners there. My suspicion would be that you'll receive something less than the mostly polite discussion type responses you've gotten here. We had a new member here that is TRULY TRULY TRULY a friend to the gun community her on LI and a 2A backer more than anyone would know banned her because of a misperception of what he said. If you met this guy it would be beyond reason that anyone would want him banned for a gun board. It was shortsighted but what was thought he said and taken incorrectly was a bit more pointed than you're rationale for banning painted guns. ETA for some spelling and seeing Sig's post above; thanks for rethinking and saying so publicly. That is immensely helpful and a sign of integrity. You posted as i was typing and feeding the kiddies. |
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Truly this is hard to fathom: NY and presumably other States require that "toy" guns have a bright orange/red band painted on the end to signify that it's a toy or fake gun. IF someone wanted to deceive or make their fake gun appear more realistic it would be simple to cover up that band with anything from a Sharpie Marker to a 99 cent can of black pray paint. IF they wanted to deceive a LEO or someone else posing a lethal threat/retaliation they could just as easily buy a 1 ounce bottle of model paint and paint the band on. OH wait, don't shoot Rashad he's got a toy gun...I think, hope, schitt! I'm hit! IF it looks like a firearm, and you're menacing me with a perceived intent, one of us is likely to be shot. It would be interesting to see what a competent Attorney would do to a prosecutor who took a case to court over having his firearm refinished. Any State besides NY, NJ, or CA this bullschitt would absolutely amaze me. 
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Also pending in the NJ Senate: S716  Sponsored by: Senator BOB SMITH District 17 (Middlesex and Somerset) SYNOPSIS Establishes crime of removing federally required orange tip from toy gun; establishes crime of disguising a firearm by adding an orange muzzle tip. STATEMENT This bill would make it a crime of the fourth degree to remove, disguise, cloak, cover, conceal, or mask the orange colored markings required on toy, look-alike, or imitation firearms. The bill also would make it a crime of the fourth degree to alter the muzzle of a firearm by adding colored marking imitative of those required on toy, look-alike, or imitation firearms. A crime of the fourth degree is punishable by a fine of up to $10,000; imprisonment for a term of up to 18 months; or both. Since 1989, toy manufacturers have been required under 15 CFR 1150.1 et seq. to "mark" toy guns with an orange tip. This marking requirement has become increasingly important as manufacturers are producing toy guns with such attention to detail and design that it is difficult for even experienced law enforcement officers to differentiate between toy guns and actual firearms. In some instances, the inability to identify a firearm as a toy or an actual firearm has led to tragedy. Conversely, others have added an orange tip to the muzzle of an actual firearm to mislead law enforcement officers into believing they are confronting a toy gun rather then a real one. |
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Hunters wear Blaze Orange they do not paint their guns that color. Hunters also do not point guns at police officers. You point the gun (any gun) at an LEO, you deserve to be shot (and killed).  plain and simple. Removal of the orange muzzle cap is (stupid and) dangerous, adding one on to a real gun is dangerous why? Because the felon is trying to get that "edge" all guns should be treated as REAL guns by LEOs . |
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For those of you who cross the Delaware into Killadelphia on occasion, here's the new illegal gun laws signed by Mayor Nutbag yesterday. Linky More bullshit from more politicians
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