Posted: 1/4/2008 3:00:00 AM EDT
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Hey guys i'm looking for some help from the ban state crowd. I am in the market for a new barrel and want a lightweight middy. CMMG is in my price range but they can't do a lightweight 16" without threads (stupid NY laws) except for a charge. So now i'm thinking 14.5 with perm brake. Any fairly cheap brakes out there just to get it to legal length? What do you guys use? Am I going in the wrong direction? I understand the 14.5's balance better with the extras out front, am i mislead? Any help is appreciated. |
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IMO one of the best brakes out there is the DNTC comp from Primary Weapons Systems their FSC556 has gotten excellent reviews as well. a 14.7 barrel from CMMG and the DNTC will get you to 16" (the DNTC may be a hair too short for a 14.5 barrel to make 16") the FSC556 is long enough to use a 14.5 barrel and make 16" some of the cheaper brakes out there are extremely loud and unpleasant to be around (the Bushmaster Ycomp and AK brake are two good examples) if you buy a cheap brake and hate it you have to go thru the hassle of having it removed and a new one attached. FSC556 Flash Suppressing Compensator from Primary Weapons |
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I saw those breaks but was wondering if there is something more around the price of the A2 flash hider (about $10 bucks compared to $50). Or if there is a way to modify the A2 hider to make it just a break and not a hider? I do have access to some fairly high tech machineing equipment so almost anything is possible as far as modifications. |
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I have an Izzy brake on one of my Bushmaster uppers. Bushmaster muzzle devices It is not overly loud and actually does a decent job of flash suppression. |
The comp from Stag Arms may be what you are looking for store.stagarms.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=27&osCsid=72b1cc10b8f2a5845447dd2b5e9097e3 I don't own one so I'm not sure how good they are |
You could get the 16" threaded barrel and install this thread protector yourself, and have a local guy put 4 equidistant tack welds on it. Since it's not a brake, there's no change in noise or ballistics. Besides, 16" ballistics are better than 14.5" And you're never at risk for "constructive possession of an assault weapon" for having a shorter than 16" barrel. And if you move to America, the tack welds are easy enough to break so you can install a flash hider. |
+1 I like this style. I hate muzzle devices that look like fugly brakes, increase sound output a great deal....orrrrr that redirect sound/concussion back at the shooter and firing line.
no offense but the Stag style comps are disgusting looking IMHO.   |
+1 I have one of these on my 14.5" to bring it up to 16" and it looks and functions great. |
I love the responses but an important thing were missing here is that it CANNOT be a flash suppressor as per NY law. That's my understanding anyway. |
cant be a flash surpressor per old fed law. not sure about combo devices... no one takes these devices and tests them to say if they are legally flash hiders or muzzle breaks. |
Until you get arrested And then the prosecutor will say: Hehehe. We got your ass now, boy OR Ooops. Our mistake. No harm no foul (Except for that pesky arrest record that will cost you $$ to get expunged and the couple of boat payments you made for your attorney. |
oh I know, my point was that...by buying one that hasnt been classified by the FEDS as a muzzle break or flash hider, you take the chance. thats all I was getting at. |
What makes you think that what the FEDS say has any bearing on what the a$$holes in Albany and Trenton do? Just ask all the Federal law-abiding people that have spent time behind bars courtesy of the airport nazis. |
they are ugly aren't they  that's why I don't own one  as for the legality of various brakes, PWS submitted both the DNTC and the FSC556 for testing by the BATF - they were both ruled non flash suppressing. as far as I know NY state does not do it's own testing and would most likely rely on the BATF ruling. |
What pops in my head is the incident at RIT where the kid was let off (or so my understanding is anyway) because everything was ok...now if that happened and he had happened to have a flash suppressor on he would've been in the proverbial shit. No chances taken, no time done. |
Feds have no say , I know this. But NYS follows old fed parameters for flash hiders/ muzzle breaks. I think when Pataki helped pass the anti gun package, that all old federal PROVISIONS also carried over into NYS penal law/parameters. If I recall.
Well, dont possess any firearms then, dont chance it Anything that looks evil, you take the chance. I own evil looking things, I guess I am taking a chance? |
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I have the Troy Medeival Muzzle Brake It brings the 14.5 up to 16 and it looks evil.  ETA: 
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| Bushmaster sells their Izzy Brake as being post ban legal and did so before the Federal ban expired in 2004. Given the volume of AR type rifles sold by Bushmaster and their differentiation between pre and post ban models I personally am comfortable with it being NY legal (so long as it is permanently attached). |
another nice option, they look good. |
I'm sorry you misunderstood what I was saying. Have all the evil looking things you want, I want em too. But people were suggesting flash suppressors and I'm looking for muzzle compensators so if i was ever questioned I would be in the clea after testing. Get it? It's not about being scared and avoiding trouble it's about being in the clear in the end. (even if it could cost you a bunch of lawer fees hinking.gif) |
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Keep in mind that legal definitions never take into account trivialities like "physics" or "reality". The FSC556 -- Flash Suppressing Compensator -- was deemed to not suppress flash enough to be a flash suppressor. Really. See the video and read the BATFE letter on the manufacturer's website (here). BM's description of the Izzy Brake says that it is ATF approved, and I'm sure that Bushmaster is not going to peddle stuff that will get it in a world of hurt. I've read comments that Troy's Medieval Muzzle Brake also "tames" flashes, yet that device does not have the large bore that would make it a flash hider. While the three devices above are a bit more that $10, I would feel fine tacking any one on the end of a 14.5" barrel. -WhyTanFox P.S. Jesus man, buy your rifle and then buy a pre-ban lower to put the components on -- at least you New Yawkers have that option. ETA: Regarding BATFE's test procedure, it is detailed fairly well in the letter they wrote to Primary Weapons Systems and linked to on the FSC556 page. Oh, and it also shows that the BATFE will still classify a device as "flash hider or not flash hider" for a manufacturer. |
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Here is a good looking and safe way to have an attachment on the end of your barrel. I found this barrel on the EE. The flashhider is pressed on the barrel. Barrel is unmarked but I am told it's an FN. It has what appears to be an 11 degree target crown. I can only speak for myself but I hate the look on an AR barrel with nothing on it unless it's a varmit or NM type rifle. 
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This is true. For me, ive got my two verifiable preban ARs to work with... my third will be a post ban compliant full length 20inch flat top I think... The muzzle device game of whats legal and whats not, is anyones guess. But there are SAFE bets, then there are those which are questionable. I too take no chances at least in this area. Too much grey area. |
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