Posted: 1/27/2007 4:51:48 AM EDT
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MY DEAR RKBA FRIENDS, A recent Gallop poll has released to gun control advocates has reveled most Americans favor strict gun control laws. I have called all my political associations, we must utilize every legal option to redress what is about to happen. It has come to my attention from an aid to Senator Charles Schumer and under confidentiality that a "complete Assault Weapons Ban" is underway and with provisions which will start debate with gun control groups (only) on how to ban all pistols utilizing our military and police for search/confiscation and arrest when and if these provisions become law. NYC Mayor Bloomberg has pledged his billion dollar fortune to destroy the SECOND AMENDMENT. "HE WANTS US ALL TO BE PLACED IN INTERMENT CAMPS FOR THE MENTALLY INSANE." He He has not answered not even one letter concerning his intentions, nor his factual inclinations to fact on why he is so vehemently against us ... I know NRA has shunned me in the past because of my political affiliations and contacts ... I was right about Pataki, Bloomberg and all the rest of so called friendly politicians. I love the Second Amendment ... I am your friend. PLEASE DO NOT DISCARD ME, WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. You know already President George Bush has said he would sign an assault weapons ban when it comes to his desk, we were safe under Republican control, we are not safe now. You will be treated like the worst criminal by the media, your information will be printed in all news papers as if your a pedophile. Your life, your families will be ruined, destroyed ... It has been clearly told to me most gun owners aren't registered to vote and are not even politically active. If you bought ammunition, subscribed to gun periodicals advocated for Second Amendment rights ... YOUR ON THEIR LISTS ... I AM NOT JOKING ... EITHER WE SUPPORT AMERICA FOR WHAT OUR FOUNDERS INTENDED THIS NATION TO BE ... OR WE SIT AND DO NOTHING, WAITING FOR OUR HOMES TO BE SEARCHED AND BE ARRESTED FOR OUR BELIEFS for CURRENT OR PAST involvements ... You decide ... GET INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS, GO TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS ASK FOR OJECTIVITY ... OBTAIN GUN RIGHTS FACTS, BECOME KNOWLEDGIBLE ... DO IT NOW ... RALPH RUBINEK, GOA, 2G |
these two phrases strike me as exceptionally paranoid, and somewhat unbalanced. it's rantings like this that make it really difficult to take gun owners seriously. our military going door to door to take our guns an put us in internment camps? I doubt it. It'll go down much more slowly and quietly than that. It'll start wth simply banning TRANSFERS. |
This kind of hysterical paranoia is not helpful to our cause. People who say things like this make all of us look crazy. I'm on a list because I bought ammunition over the counter? Please. |
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Somewhere between paranoia and complacency is where we need to be. The anti crowd is noticeably stepping up their media campaign, with the Harvard "study" (funded by one of the Soros socialist groups) leading the charge. The usual Dems in Congress are proposing their usual string of bills thus far. Without the Repubs in charge, these bills may actually get a vote. If Bush needs to negotiate for something, one or more of these bills may become law. At the state level, we're seeing a Virginia Republican trying to float a bill to shut down gun shows. A hard-core socialist in California has introduced a bill banning child spanking, the punishment for which meets the 1-year incarceration threshold to prohibit the purchase of firearms. It's a strange time. How the Republicans react to the '06 loss will be the most telling indicator of things to come. If they move further Left and put RINOs such as Romney and McCain on the ballot, they lose their conservative base and give up the '08 election. I'm not sure they understand this, though... |
| I was just putting it out there to see what you all thought..I am trying to find out if he is a high member of the GOA. It seems they have more sense in certain matters and do not talk like they are Paranoid....They also do not give their own opinion and deal with the 2A rights in a formal matter...Or am I wrong |
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Listen, these same sort of rabble rousing letters have been generated by NRA, GOA, NYSRPA,.... for the last fourty or more years. I know becasue I have read many of them. Granted there are those who radically oppose firearm ownership and complacentcy in the legislative arena could cost us rights damn near impossible to restore. The aim of inflammitory letters such as this one is two fold: encourage you to take action (join/call/write/...) and second is the solicitation of money. It's a double edges sword, whereas we need them fighting for our rights, but suffer from being deemed "nuts". (up side is the anti's suffer and use the same tactics) The radicals and conspiricy theorists have to get their information and ideas from somewhere, but lets not get sucked into someones elses dilusions. You want radical conspiricy? Check out Alxe Jones: www.infowars.com/ |
Given the spelling and grammar errors, it's unlikely the letter originated from anyone of any significance within the GOA. |
A Councilman introduced a Bill in NYC that would require a dealer to record all sales of ammunition as wells as require a thumb print on the form. Never say never when it comes to anti-gun control in NYC/NYS or NJ. I'll see if I can find the bill. www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/13/city_seeks_safeguards_on_sale_of_bullets?mode=PF City seeks safeguards on sale of bullets Tracking technology is among possibilities By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | February 13, 2006 With firearm violence in Boston continuing to surge, police and city officials are looking for new anticrime tools, potentially including limiting ammunition sales, recording who buys ammunition, and using a new technology that transfers a gun's serial number onto a bullet's shell casing any time the gun is fired, said two officials who know about the plans. Police Department and city officials offered few details publicly, but in his weekly column on the city's website, Mayor Thomas M. Menino discusses his plans, saying his recently formed strategic crime council is ''examining everything from ammunition sales regulation and bullet micro-stamping to stricter sentencing for illegal possession and trafficking." ''We want to tighten up how people can get ammunition," Police Superintendent Robert Dunford said. ''We're seeing loose rounds, a mix of ammunition. That might be a point of attack for us. . . . When you get the gun with ammunition and you fire it off, then you need to resupply. . . . That can be tough." Dunford said Menino's office is working on proposed legislation to regulate ammunition. A spokesman for Menino declined to comment on the specifics of any legislation, saying only, ''Mayor Menino has made the message clear. He has a tremendous sense of urgency around devising both policy alternatives and new legislation that could make Boston a safer city." The officials with knowledge of the plans, who declined to be named because the City Hall review is just beginning, said the city will focus on tightening the law. Currently, vendors are not required to record who buys ammunition, and buyers can purchase as much as they want, said Sergeant Detective Ray Mosher, who supervises the Boston Police Licensing unit, which regulates ammunition sales in the city. Mosher also said the current law allows buyers with a license for one type of gun to buy ammunition for any type of gun. The number of shootings in which people were wounded or killed rose 28 percent last year over 2004. Police rolled out several programs to try to reverse that spike in gun violence, but after two shooting deaths Friday, there were six this year, compared with four at the same time last year. There have been 36 nonfatal shootings this year compared with 17 this time last year. Police and city officials acknowledge that criminals could buy ammunition on the black market and out of state, but they say they have noticed an apparent shortage of ammunition on the streets. They also say that youths, who are both suspects and victims in many shootings, might be deterred if ammunition is more difficult to get. The officials said Menino's interest in the new bullet-tracking technology, known as microstamping, is exploratory. Still, the city is interested in the technology's ability to allow investigators to tie shell casings to gun owners. Under current ballistics technology, detectives must recover a weapon to link an owner to a crime scene or must compare markings on shell casings with bullets fired from guns recovered later. ''Microstamping is the most elegant solution to this problem," said Joshua Horwitz, the executive director of the nonprofit gun control advocacy group Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence. Horwitz said two members of Congress are preparing legislation that would require gun manufacturers to begin outfitting weapons with microstamping technology. One of the most interesting features of microstamping technology is the ability it gives police to tap easily into existing databases, Horwitz said. In Massachusetts, buyers must list their name and the serial number of the weapon they're purchasing. ''It's using what's set up now," said Horwitz, who spoke at a US Conference of Mayors anticrime meeting attended by Menino last month. ''There's no extra administrative responsibilities." Horwitz said microstamping legislation recently passed one house of the California Legislature. Griffin Dix, whose 15-year-old son was killed in an unintentional shooting and who now runs the California chapters of the Million Mom March, a group that fights for tougher gun laws, said he is hopeful the California Legislature will pass the microstamping bill, which he said would require the technology for all semi-automatic handguns sold there by 2009. About 30 police chiefs have also lobbied legislators in support of the bill, Dix said. Handguns are used in about 60 percent of the average of 2,400 annual homicides in California, and no arrest is made in 45 percent of them because police don't have enough evidence, Dix said. ''If people realize that they are likely to be found out, who bought that gun, then they're less likely to commit a crime," Dix said. ''Also, this will have an effect on reducing gun trafficking. . . . With straw purchasers knowing that this gun can be traced right back to them . . . they're less likely to buy these guns and give them to traffickers." But Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, a gun rights advocacy group, said criminals will always find ways around systems such as microstamping. ''Schemes such as this do not work for a very simple reason: Criminals by definition don't follow the law," Arulanandam said. ''Therefore, the only universe of people who are affected by this are law-abiding. A criminal intent on committing a heinous crime is not going to be deterred by such laws." But Menino appears to be listening to groups on the other side of the issue. Peter Hamm, communications director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said Menino's office asked the gun control advocacy organization in November for advice on how to combat firearm violence. He said the Brady Campaign advised City Hall not only on the availability of microstamping technology, but also on the importance of partnering with other urban mayors, as Menino has recently done with New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. ''If there are ideas on the table that could increase closure rate of gun crime investigations by 10 or 15 or 20 percent, they're worth doing because there are real victims here," Hamm said. ''We felt like the city's interest in this and the mayor's interest in this is strikingly real because of the outreach they've made to us." |
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Now that he's been elected AG who knows what other anti-gun laws he plans on introducing to disarm lawful gun owner's without having any effect on crime or criminals. thepoliticker.observer.com/2006/06/cuomos-bloombergs-gun-proposal.html Andrew Cuomo's Five-Point Plan to Keep Guns Off Our Streets 1) Create a Statewide Coalition of Mayors and County Executives to Stop the Flow of Illegal Guns: Using HUD's Communities for Safer Guns Coalition as a model, the new statewide coalition of mayors and county executives will hold gun manufacturers and dealers accountable for the responsible sale of their products. Members of the coalition will purchase firearms for their police departments only from gun manufacturers and dealers that adhere to the code of conduct as outlined in the proposed statewide Gun Industry Responsibility Act (GIRA) (see below). 2) Require Smart Gun Technology: As provided for in the HUD Safe Gun Agreement, once available, all new guns in New York State would be required to feature "smart gun" technology to ensure that only authorized purchasers could fire their gun. 3) Require Microstamping of Guns to Help Law Enforcement Track Down Illegal Guns and Solve Crimes: All new semiautomatic handguns sold in New York will be required to be equipped with microstamping technology. Microstamping is a new identification technology that complements current ballistic fingerprinting. The basic technology involves making precise microscopic engravings of the make and model of the gun on the firing pin or inside the chamber of the gun. When the firearm is discharged, that imprint is stamped onto the shell casing, allowing it to be read by the police. This technology will enable law enforcement to immediately read the microscopic serial numbers on the shell casings and link the evidence to the specific gun that fired the round. The immediate response-time could provide critical case leads at the beginning of a criminal investigation. While effective, our current ballistic fingerprinting technology requires police and forensic laboratory specialists to undergo the additional step of analyzing and comparing the subtle markings left by each firearm on shell casings with the gun or another shell casing. 4) Ban Sale of "Saturday Night Specials" or Junk Guns: These guns are favored by criminals because of their low cost and ability to be easily concealed. They are traditionally not used for sport or self-defense because of their inaccuracy. Currently, Maryland and Massachusetts ban these junk guns, while a number of other states heavily regulate their sale. 5) Fight to Enact Comprehensive Package of Existing Proposals: Enactment of a series of bills will help to curb illegal trafficking and accidental gun violence. (See attached.) |
Yes I know that. If NY gun owner's don't wake up and become politically involved that proposal could very well become law in NY if the NY Senate is lost to the Democrats in 2008. |
I agree. Unfortunately, given the weight of downstate, I don't know how much we can do. |
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| If we ALL voted, and voted our sport, none of this would have ever happened, nor could it. Far too many on this website and the other websites, are too "busy" to spend the time the first Tuesday of EVERY November. I have never missed voting since 1972 and hopefully never will. A very real problem is that many of those not shooting EBRs somehow think that their semi auto shotguns and handguns will be be immune to the likes of a future AWB. Sheeple. |
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The problem that I see is that most of the gun owners that I know are Fudds who are union men and who vote Democrat because the unions tell them to and because they tell them how horrible Republicans are and how we only care about the rich. I vote in every election but I feel that it is usually done in futility. |
Yeah, those dem's sure are starting off 2007 at break neck speed with all the laws they want.... But really, they cant even get a minimum wage raise to pass muster without getting held back right now by a filibuster (we are also fast to forget some of the democrats who won where pro-gun, or some like Feingold listened to his base and voted against the effort to renew the AWB). Not to mention, do they want to try a 2nd amendment prodding law at the national level now with Alito in place of a fence-sitter in the SC, a pro-machinegun judge from NJ of all places? If at all, I think the immense post-9/11 civilian surveillance anti-terror stuff thats been zooming thru to the applause of many, among them those who consider themselves "conservative" or "pro-gun" who think brown people who pray to a meteor in a sandbox are up to no good 24/7, is a far greater threat than the political hand-grenades that are gun legislation; Think, they can ban guns in the future and we could all laugh as we "lose" them in a boating accident and fire them off with homemade supressors in the wilderness, but if all the anti-gun authorities need is some evidence your not following its dumb laws garnered via a wiretap or email snoop or some other method that been left as a damn turnkey luzury by our overly paranoid current government, such opportunity for fun wont be there anymore. Single issue voting will come to bite us in the ass. |
After the The Journal News released the names and addressees of pistol license holders I will never register a long gun in the state of NY. I intend on establishing a second residence in a free state and will move my NY banned guns there when the time comes. |
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This Bill was introduced in the NYS Senate on 01-17-2007. This is the kind of lunacy that could become law in NYS if the NYS Senate and Assembly are under control of the Democrats in January 2009. BILL NUMBER: S1177 SPONSOR: KRUGER TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the general business law, in relation to the sale of ammunition SUMMARY: This act adds a new section 399-w to the general business law. It provides that all ammunition have serial numbers imprinted on the bullet jacket for purposes of keeping record of all ammunition sold. These records will be filed monthly with the municipal police authori- ties. The sale of ammunition will be limited to only those purchasers displaying a current and valid gun permit and who must also sign a statement specifying that they will be the sole users of the purchased ammunition and will not transfer the ammunition purchased to another person. This bill makes it unlawful to sell a bullet containing an explosive substance or more than 100 bullets within 90 days to persons other than those in the military, police officers, or federal officers. Violation of the provisions within this section will make a person guil- ty of a class A misdemeanor. JUSTIFICATION: Under current law, an individual can walk into a store and purchase ammunition without a license to possess a weapon. This gives an illegal firearms holder the means to use his/her illegal weapon without having to obtain the ammunition illegally as well. There is also currently no limitation on the amounts of ammunition one may purchase. This would allow for anyone to purchase ammunition in large amounts and sell it to others not possessing a valid gun permit and for use other than that which is legally permitted. This legislation also eliminates the use of bullets containing explosive substances which detonate upon impact. These bullets have a history of being the most deadly; they are designed to kill. Unfortunately, in recent years they have been used by illegal weapons dealers and illegal weapons owners and have caused an increase in crimes resulting in death. These bullets also, because of their shattering impact have made body identification nearly impossible. This legislation is intended to address the availability of ammunition and limit its availability as a round-about way to prohibit the use of illegal firearms. FISCAL IMPLICATION: Minimal. EFFECTIVE DATE: This act shall take effect on the first of November after it shall have become a law. STATUS: S1177 KRUGER General Business Law TITLE....Regulates the sale of ammunition 01/17/07 REFERRED TO CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL TEXT: STATE OF NEW YORK ________________________________________________________________________ 1177 2007-2008 Regular Sessions IN SENATE January 17, 2007 ___________ Introduced by Sen. KRUGER -- read twice and ordered printed, and when printed to be committed to the Committee on Consumer Protection AN ACT to amend the general business law, in relation to the sale of ammunition The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assem- bly, do enact as follows: 1 Section 1. The general business law is amended by adding a new 2 section 399-e to read as follows: 3 ยง 399-e. Sale of ammunition. 1. All ammunition sold in the state must 4 have a serial number imprinted on the bullet jacket and bullet lead. The 5 seller of ammunition shall maintain a record of all sales of ammunition 6 including the name of the purchaser and the serial numbers of the ammu- 7 nition sold and by the tenth day of each month a copy of such records 8 for the previous month shall be filed with the municipal police authori- 9 ties. 10 2. No sale of ammunition shall be made unless the purchaser displays a 11 current and valid gun permit and signs a statement which includes the 12 declarations that: (a) the ammunition is purchased solely for use by the 13 purchaser and (b) unless the purchaser is in the business of or has a 14 legitimate reason to transfer the ammunition purchased, that the ammuni- 15 tion purchased will not be transferred. 16 3. It shall be unlawful to sell a bullet containing an explosive 17 substance designed to detonate upon impact or armor piercing ammunition 18 or to sell more than one hundred bullets within any ninety day period 19 except to: 20 (a) Persons in the military service of the state of New York when duly 21 authorized by regulations issued by the adjutant general to the governor 22 to possess the same, members of the division of state police, and peace 23 officers as defined in subdivision thirty-three of section 1.20 of the 24 criminal procedure law and persons appointed as railroad policemen 25 pursuant to section eighty-eight of the railroad law. EXPLANATION--Matter in italics (underscored) is new; matter in brackets [ ] is old law to be omitted. LBD04471-01-7 S. 1177 2 1 (b) Persons in the military or other service of the United States in 2 pursuit of official duty or when duly authorized by federal law, regu- 3 lation or order to possess the same. 4 4. A person who knowingly violates any provision of this section is 5 guilty of a class A misdemeanor. 6 ยง 2. This act shall take effect on the first of November next succeed- 7 ing the date on which it shall have become a law. |
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Wow that is poorly written. What is a "gun permit?" Might actually discriminate against interstate commerce by placing an undue burden on ammunition manufacturers from out of state. If this bullshit ever became law, it would be fun to see that get struck down in federal court for that reason. |
Didn't a similar bill get killed in CA? |