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12/7/2005 1:40:15 PM EDT
I just  purchased a CPO Sig 226 that one of the dealers here is offering and I have a question concerning magazine capacity.  Since the pistol was manufactured in 1991 is it OK if I use the 15 round mags that are available, or am I forced to comply with the current 10 round maximum?
Thanks guys,
Tony
12/7/2005 2:05:35 PM EDT
[#1]
If it is the same as the AWB, if the magazine was manufactured before Sept 13 1994, they should be fine.  


Bill H.
12/7/2005 2:32:11 PM EDT
[#2]
That's exactly what I'm wondering, if it's the same as the AWB I know I'm OK.
12/7/2005 3:19:43 PM EDT
[#3]
You can use a preban (manufactured before 09-14-1994) mag in any pistol or rifle without regard to the manufacture date of the rifle or pistol.
12/7/2005 5:17:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Can you use a pre-ban pistol magazine that holds more than 10 rounds in NYC?  Just wondering if NYC has different laws/rules.
12/7/2005 5:45:03 PM EDT
[#5]
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.
12/7/2005 5:48:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the reply.
12/7/2005 6:29:34 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



that surprises me
I woud have figured even preban amgs over 10 rounds were banned there
learn something every day
12/8/2005 1:50:27 AM EDT
[#8]
In other words:

If Beta comes out with a C-Mag for Sig's, you are out of luck.

I wonder if they might consider a C-Mag for my Walther PPK?  My fingers get so tired reloading those tiny 6 round magazines.
12/8/2005 1:00:24 PM EDT
[#9]
Thanks for the help guys.
12/8/2005 6:33:32 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



Because glock 33 round mags are scary looking no doubt, even though they're not legal anyway since they have 33 rounds.

ETA what's the legality of loading a highcap pistol magazine into your pistol caliber carbine that takes pistol mags?  NYC says you can't have a rifle mag that takes more than 5 rounds...
12/9/2005 6:46:37 AM EDT
[#11]

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ETA what's the legality of loading a highcap pistol magazine into your pistol caliber carbine that takes pistol mags?  NYC says you can't have a rifle mag that takes more than 5 rounds...



You would likely be arrested and imprisoned for even thinking about doing something like that.
12/9/2005 6:53:21 AM EDT
[#12]
The NYC law permits hi cap pistol mags because of the large number of security guards/armored car guards/etc licensed to carry.  It wouldn't work to restrict them to 10 round mags.

12/9/2005 7:03:01 AM EDT
[#13]

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It wouldn't work to restrict them to 10 round mags.



Unfortunately Silver, Bruno and Patakiban thought otherwise.
12/9/2005 7:34:24 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Unfortunately Silver, Bruno and Patakiban thought otherwise.



News flash: armed security guards are not needed outside of NYC.
12/9/2005 1:57:43 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



Rkbar...wasn't there something recent where P.C. Kelly sent letters to all pistol holders saying that pistol permit holders could not possess magazines in excess of 10 rounds regardless of date of manufacture?
12/9/2005 2:02:46 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



Rkbar...wasn't there something recent where P.C. Kelly sent letters to all pistol holders saying that pistol permit holders could not possess magazines in excess of 10 rounds regardless of date of manufacture?



If he did, I didn't get it, and PC Kelly didn't get back my lawsuit either.
12/9/2005 2:40:05 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



Rkbar...wasn't there something recent where P.C. Kelly sent letters to all pistol holders saying that pistol permit holders could not possess magazines in excess of 10 rounds regardless of date of manufacture?



If he did, I didn't get it, and PC Kelly didn't get back my lawsuit either.



Its certainly possible that the letter was never sent, I just remember a thread posted on here months back that stated that Kelly sent a letter to all NYC pistol holders that basically stated that if you had any "hi-cap" magazines listed on your pistol purchase order when you obtained your permit, you would be required to show that they had either been disposed of to an FFL or a police facility or else your permit would not be renewed (of course I am very much aware that just because there was on ARFCOM thread on the subject doesn't mean it actually happened).. I certainly hope its bogus
12/9/2005 2:55:30 PM EDT
[#18]
I never received a letter concerning anything like that.  I just picked up a PO for a Sig 226 I just purchased.  At this time, the SCPD Licensing Bureau never said anything to me.  When I go back to verify the serial number I'll ask.
12/9/2005 3:06:07 PM EDT
[#19]

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I never received a letter concerning anything like that.  I just picked up a PO for a Sig 226 I just purchased.  At this time, the SCPD Licensing Bureau never said anything to me.  When I go back to verify the serial number I'll ask.



It was strictly concerning NYC Pistol Permits, not NYS....and I"m not even sure it it actually happened
12/9/2005 4:49:20 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
NYC allows 17 round pistol mags but the mag cannot protrude below the grip frame. Why that matters I have no idea and I doubt the NYC council critter idiots know either.



Rkbar...wasn't there something recent where P.C. Kelly sent letters to all pistol holders saying that pistol permit holders could not possess magazines in excess of 10 rounds regardless of date of manufacture?



The letter was posted in the following thread and on many other NYPD related boards. It has never been verified that I know of and I would assume at this point that is bogus.

community.policeone.com/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=6705
12/9/2005 4:54:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Again, I never received one, so I'm considering it bogus.

ETA:  I know it's bogus.  The following statement from the linked thread is untrue: "Criminal penalties for possession of high-capacity ammunition feeding devices, by pistol license holders and retired NYPD MOS have been put into place. Regardless of when manufactured, or how marked, or when imported into NYC or NYS, they are now contraband, and are not “grandfathered”. "
12/9/2005 5:04:02 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Again, I never received one, so I'm considering it bogus.

ETA:  I know it's bogus.  The following statement from the linked thread is untrue: "Criminal penalties for possession of high-capacity ammunition feeding devices, by pistol license holders and retired NYPD MOS have been put into place. Regardless of when manufactured, or how marked, or when imported into NYC or NYS, they are now contraband, and are not “grandfathered”. "



I certainly hope its bogus, and I also would not be considering it to be true if I had never received it....I just threw that out there because I remembered the thread
12/9/2005 5:07:34 PM EDT
[#23]
Thanks heavens that Ray Kelly can't pass legislation.  Only the City Council and the Mayor can.
12/9/2005 5:10:46 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Unfortunately Silver, Bruno and Patakiban thought otherwise.



News flash: armed security guards are not needed outside of NYC.



I'm assuming that's sarcastic?
12/9/2005 5:25:45 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Thanks heavens that Ray Kelly can't pass legislation.  Only the City Council and the Mayor can.



Just playing devil's advocate here...as the pistol licensing authority in NYC...can he make some type of statement that NYC pistol permits are invalid if a pistol has more than x amount of rounds? This is just hypothetical now, I'm going with that supposed letter being bogus for now.
12/9/2005 5:59:19 PM EDT
[#26]
RK could pass an administrative condition to your permit that you agree to have no more than 10 round magazine.  NYS courts have generally been very receptive to the ability of the licensing officer to impose any restrictions that he or she sees fit to attach to a permit.  However, given the existing Ad Code deals with this topic explicitly in allowing 17 round mags, you would at least have an argument that such a restriction is inconsistent with the legislative intent.  In any event, there is no way that RK could attach any sort of criminal sanction to such a rule.

And yes, Sharky30, that was sarcasm . . .
12/9/2005 6:02:38 PM EDT
[#27]
That would seem to make more "sense" (actually it makes no sense at all, but I think you know what I mean).... so in other words you'd have to worry about having your pistol license revoked possibly, but no PL or AC charges
12/10/2005 7:10:12 AM EDT
[#28]

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And yes, Sharky30, that was sarcasm . . .