Posted: 3/6/2005 2:14:08 PM EDT
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My Aunt wants to get a gun for her new house in NY. Shes going to be living on a 16 acre propety and wants a gun to defend her family. What are the requirements for pistol purchases? Ive been steering her into getting a 9mm SA XD and putting a accessory light on it. I told her the best thing for her is to get a weapon that she can magage easily and manage recoil, and she defintely needs a light. |
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Hi repub18 Hello Aunt in NY ..  Each County in NYS has its own governing agency that issues NYS pistol permits .. I would suggest that for the moment , until she sees what it is going to require to get a Pistol permit ..that she pick up a Shot Gun or Something Similar.. ( Nice Preban AR15 ) She should contact the police department -were she is going to be living and get the information she will need.. She should also Join the New York State Pistol and Rifle Association .. New York Pistol and Rifle Association Hope i helped ..if anyone else has a thought ..please jump in Thanks Eagle20 |
| I seriously doubt she would be able to handle a shotgun or rifle, she has never shot a gun in her life. She is a bit worried about the pistol permits though, and her husband says she might want to get a shotgun first. She even told me the shotgun would discourge her from using it because it is so big and heavy. |
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If she is not willing to become proficient in the use of a handgun and is not mentally prepared to take someones life she shouldn't bother to even get her pistol license. She's better off with a trained dog as a means of protection and a shotgun. Once again she must be proficient with a shotgun and be prepared to take someones life with it or it will be taken and used against her by an unarmed person. There is no "one year residency" requirement for a pistol license under NYS law. If a county has this "rule" they have pulled it out their ass (which is not unusual). In most counties of NY you need to contact the Sheriff's Department for an application and instructions. |
?? where did you get that from? |
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I seriously doubt she would be able to handle a shotgun or rifle, she has never shot a gun in her life. She is a bit worried about the pistol permits though, and her husband says she might want to get a shotgun first. She even told me the shotgun would discourge her from using it because it is so big and heavy. From this post. I didn't mean she shouldn't get a gun just that she needs to practice with it regularly and be prepared to use it. Since she has never shot a gun in her life it doesn't "sound" like something she would be into. Anyway you know her and I don't so I could be way off base here. In any case an alert dog should always be your first line of defense in a house. |
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She is willing to become proficient in the use of the gun and I even told her she has to if she is willing to shoot someone. Shes already got 2 dogs and I told her she needs to have good lighting all around the house (motion sensoring and permanent lights). She also has three young girls so she is also worried for their safety. I live in FL so I cant offer much help to her but I am going to do the best I can. I visit up there about once a year so I might make the trip to help her out. I'll let her know about the pistol permit though and how to obtain it. |
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If you know what county she is moving to there is probably someone here who would know some specific info that would be helpful for her. Many of the counties in NY make it fairly simple to get a unrestricted carry license. It usually take at least 3-4 months in most counties though. Once she applies for her license she could get some instruction at a range with a licensed instructor. The whole process is a PIA but that's the way it is here. |
Try 8-12 in Monroe County right now. 
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I believe that Monroe County is one of the worst counties in upstate NY to get a pistol license. Don't they restrict the crap out of them also? Someone should take them to court like they did in NYC when there was a year wait for a permit. There's no reason it should take longer then 4 months for them to issue a permit. |
OC is one of the best counties in NY for a pistol owner. She shouldn't have any problems there. Check out this site. www.ocshooters.com/ The guy who owns the site is pistol instructor and will also help her get her license. |
I have heard it is one of the better ones for getting a unrestricted permit. We have quite a few pro-gun judges and with S.C.O.P.E. being real big in this town it helps the cause. |
I am in the process of getting all my paperwork in right now. When it has been completed I will post and we can keep track and see the results. I have a open container on my record form 17 yrs. old, I am now 28 so I hope it won't be an issue. |
If I am not mistaken, your four references for the permit application have to have lived in your county for a year. |
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I've lived in Orange County for the past 12 years. I have helped a couple friends with their permits. I also have a "unrestricted" permit. Getting a pistol permit in OC is fairly easy. Note, they just changed some of the regs. The application is now $10 (used to be free) and the 4 references (who have lived in OC for atleast a year) have to have their signatures notorized. Nothing big, just a little more running around. Getting a unrestricted permit is also fairly easy. The issuing judge is Hon. Stewart Rosenwasser. He's pretty good about giving out unrestricted permits. There are a couple of things to be aware of: 1. When your Aunt first applies for her permit, have her apply for a standard "restricted" permit with reasons being target, hiking and fishing. She is pretty much gauranteed to get this type of permit. If she apllies for a "unrestricted" permit and is denied, the entire apllication is denied and she has to start over. 2. Rosenwasser is pretty good about issuing unrestricted permits. The catch is he likes to see 2 things when someone applies for one. One, he likes to see that you have had your permit for a couple of years. Two, he wants valid reasons as to why you want a unrestricted permit. I had had my restricted permit for over 5 years before I applied for my CCW. I also wrote a nice typed letter explaining what I wanted the CCW for. If your Aunt is just looking to protect her family while at home, a restricted permit should be all she needs. I would even go as far as to say she would be better off with a shotgun. I know if I had a choice between my Remy 870 or a pistol for home defense, the Remy is gonna win every time. Feel free to contact me offline if you need any help or have any questions. I'm the farthest thing from an expert on the subject, but don't mind offering my help. |
If the only thing you have on your reacord is a oped container when you were 17 you will be fine I had a few discon's in my late teen and mine went thourght with no prob good luck |
Like I said each county makes this stuff up. Unfortunately short of bringing an article 78 proceeding against them in Supreme Court there isn't much you can do about it. The NYS AG could probably do something about these "abuses" but Spitzer's office isn't about to get involved in your right to carry a firearm in NY. |
Technically you can't "apply" for a restricted permit as there is no such category of carry license in the PL. The NYS COP has given judges in NY the legal authority to add administrative restrictions on carry licenses so each judge has his/her own criteria for doing so. As long as you have been issued a NYS carry license you cannot be criminally prosecuted for carrying outside of your restrictions but your licensing officer could possibly revoke your license. The whole system sucks and there is a bill in the Legislature to remove these arbitrary restrictions but I don't believe it will ever get out of committee. |
I hear ya, and I agree. I think we're looking at it from 2 different views. Your looking at it from a "legal" standpoint and I'm looking at it from a "reality" standpoint. The reality of it is that when you apply for a permit in OC, you're applying for a "restricted" permit. You have to specifically request to apply for a "unrestricted" permit. I agree with you, it sucks and it's not legal. But there are ways to to work around it. Atleast in Orange County. |