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Posted: 2/2/2020 1:21:18 PM EDT
[#1]
If a dress code is required you can count me out.
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Posted: 2/2/2020 1:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is all the difference in the world between a government entity refusing to allow me to carry and a business owner doing the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: There is all the difference in the world between a government entity refusing to allow me to carry and a business owner doing the same. Quoted:
If a dress code is required you can count me out. |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 7:11:24 AM EDT
[#3]
I am an unbranded t-shirt,jeans and boots guy. If that is not good enough for someone they can piss off.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted for truth. Hawaiian shirt, jock strap, dress shoes and a light coat of CLP? |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 9:37:22 AM EDT
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I am an unbranded t-shirt,jeans and boots guy. If that is not good enough for someone they can piss off. |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 10:25:15 AM EDT
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Of all the reasons to not want to be proactive, in regards to the 2A, that is probably the silliest shit.
There is no enforced dress code that I'm aware of. So put on your nicest t-shirt and pants, show up, and don't act like an ass. |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 10:32:09 AM EDT
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Of all the reasons to not want to be proactive, in regards to the 2A, that is probably the silliest shit.
There is no enforced dress code that I'm aware of. So put on your nicest t-shirt and pants, show up, and don't act like an ass. Mocking someone that values something more than you value it is a shit way to encourage people to get involved. Think of how many people are on the fence about showing up to something like this, then think about how encouraging your "silly" comment is. |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 10:54:44 AM EDT
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Yeah, valuing a t-shirt over the 2A is one I'll never understand. I don't mean to come off as mocking someone and apologize.
I just have a hard time watching what's happening in VA and then seeing someone say they're not interested in getting more involved over something that, admittedly to me, just seems so trivial in the grand scheme of things. Millions, if not billions are being dumped into this state to attempt to flip it and make it Virginia v2. Unfortunately we have an image issue because of low info voters and low info legislators. Dressing nicer than I normally would and showing up to prove msm generalizations wrong in the eyes of folks, in a preemptive action such as this, doesn't strike me as such a serious inconvenience or infraction on my normal routine to say, "no thanks." It's weird to read such a sentiment on this website. |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 11:27:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Well said.
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Posted: 2/3/2020 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Yeah, valuing a t-shirt over the 2A is one I'll never understand. I don't mean to come off as mocking someone and apologize. I just have a hard time watching what's happening in VA and then seeing someone say they're not interested in getting more involved over something that, admittedly to me, just seems so trivial in the grand scheme of things. Millions, if not billions are being dumped into this state to attempt to flip it and make it Virginia v2. Unfortunately we have an image issue because of low info voters and low info legislators. Dressing nicer than I normally would and showing up to prove msm generalizations wrong in the eyes of folks, in a preemptive action such as this, doesn't strike me as such a serious inconvenience or infraction on my normal routine to say, "no thanks." It's weird to read such a sentiment on this website. I also feel strongly that we need to be inclusive if we are to be successful. If the only way someone will join is if they can wear jeans and a t-shirt, I think it's better to have that person than to not have them because of their feelings on a dress code. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 12:23:23 AM EDT
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That's a much better response. I'm with you on this. I also feel strongly that we need to be inclusive if we are to be successful. If the only way someone will join is if they can wear jeans and a t-shirt, I think it's better to have that person than to not have them because of their feelings on a dress code. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, valuing a t-shirt over the 2A is one I'll never understand. I don't mean to come off as mocking someone and apologize. I just have a hard time watching what's happening in VA and then seeing someone say they're not interested in getting more involved over something that, admittedly to me, just seems so trivial in the grand scheme of things. Millions, if not billions are being dumped into this state to attempt to flip it and make it Virginia v2. Unfortunately we have an image issue because of low info voters and low info legislators. Dressing nicer than I normally would and showing up to prove msm generalizations wrong in the eyes of folks, in a preemptive action such as this, doesn't strike me as such a serious inconvenience or infraction on my normal routine to say, "no thanks." It's weird to read such a sentiment on this website. I also feel strongly that we need to be inclusive if we are to be successful. If the only way someone will join is if they can wear jeans and a t-shirt, I think it's better to have that person than to not have them because of their feelings on a dress code. The VA protest had a component that *was* about getting into the legislators' faces a bit because they'd badly bitten the hand that feeds them; we're not to that point in TX. This is more of a "we're an important constituency, you promised us some work in this area...we're still watching to make sure you come through" mood. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 12:35:41 AM EDT
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Noble attitude, but there's a time & a place for all things. Past a certain (extreme) point, people that don't understand that are a liability to any organized strategy. If they feel "violated" by a basic request to dress respectfully (which is all nice jeans/slacks and a button-shirt is, and costs all of 10$ at a Goodwill) in a formal setting, they'll probably feel "violated" to wait their turn to speak and refrain from profanity/threats when it's their turn to be heard. Not a concern for a man amid 'the rabble,' but if actually meeting reps & speaking with them, it does make sense to be polite to the people you need to cooperate with you. Clothes & grooming are part of being polite just as much as attitude, it's not a matter of being snooty or elitist or anything like that. The VA protest had a component that *was* about getting into the legislators' faces a bit because they'd badly bitten the hand that feeds them; we're not to that point in TX. This is more of a "we're an important constituency, you promised us some work in this area...we're still watching to make sure you come through" mood. Maybe the plan for this date needs to be fleshed out a bit more and described so that you get the right people attending. I don't know how much time the reps will have for us if they're just there for a hearing. I always schedule appointments ahead of time, or drop in with zero expectation of being able to talk to the right person. I thought this was just to have a presence at the hearing, to let our reps know that we care about this topic. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 1:28:44 AM EDT
[#12]
I'm in for it.
We need a good turn out of reasonable people to put gentle pressure on the Legislature to let them know that this IS important to VOTERS ... That without VOTERS they don't stay in office and if they are not in office they don't get CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS... Leverage 101 |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 7:17:12 AM EDT
[#13]
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If a dress code is required you can count me out. 
I think we care about one more voice that can vote and stand for freedom. So what is the accepted norm for you? I may attend this one, thinking I can get away from my responsibilities for a day. The whole idea is to get active, proactive about freedom. Shore up 2A fortification. Be vigilant. |
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Posted: 2/4/2020 8:26:06 AM EDT
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Good point, and, for the most part, right on the money. I go to Washington to talk to Congress critters far more than I'd like. I actually organize people from my industry every year. I won't say that anything you said is wrong, but, whether it's the Rep or (more often) a staffer, someone always picks the person in our group that is under dressed to talk to. I'm sure this is more true at the national level than the state level, but these elected folks are out of touch with reality. They live in a different world than we do. They will go out of their way to try to connect with someone that is obviously not a part of the political machine. Maybe the plan for this date needs to be fleshed out a bit more and described so that you get the right people attending. I don't know how much time the reps will have for us if they're just there for a hearing. I always schedule appointments ahead of time, or drop in with zero expectation of being able to talk to the right person. I thought this was just to have a presence at the hearing, to let our reps know that we care about this topic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noble attitude, but there's a time & a place for all things. Past a certain (extreme) point, people that don't understand that are a liability to any organized strategy. If they feel "violated" by a basic request to dress respectfully (which is all nice jeans/slacks and a button-shirt is, and costs all of 10$ at a Goodwill) in a formal setting, they'll probably feel "violated" to wait their turn to speak and refrain from profanity/threats when it's their turn to be heard. Not a concern for a man amid 'the rabble,' but if actually meeting reps & speaking with them, it does make sense to be polite to the people you need to cooperate with you. Clothes & grooming are part of being polite just as much as attitude, it's not a matter of being snooty or elitist or anything like that. The VA protest had a component that *was* about getting into the legislators' faces a bit because they'd badly bitten the hand that feeds them; we're not to that point in TX. This is more of a "we're an important constituency, you promised us some work in this area...we're still watching to make sure you come through" mood. Maybe the plan for this date needs to be fleshed out a bit more and described so that you get the right people attending. I don't know how much time the reps will have for us if they're just there for a hearing. I always schedule appointments ahead of time, or drop in with zero expectation of being able to talk to the right person. I thought this was just to have a presence at the hearing, to let our reps know that we care about this topic. Same with the local meetings in the weeks before; I have faith in gun owners doing the right thing, so long as there are clear expectations of them. |
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Posted: 2/5/2020 1:08:34 AM EDT
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I’d really love to see constitutional carry take a hold in Texas If AZ, OK, KS, MO & other states can do it... So Can We!! |
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Posted: 2/5/2020 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Yes indeed! If AZ, OK, KS, MO & other states can do it... So Can We!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’d really love to see constitutional carry take a hold in Texas If AZ, OK, KS, MO & other states can do it... So Can We!! |
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Posted: 2/5/2020 3:50:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes indeed! If AZ, OK, KS, MO & other states can do it... So Can We!! |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 4:04:37 PM EDT
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I'm in for it. We need a good turn out of reasonable people to put gentle pressure on the Legislature to let them know that this IS important to VOTERS ... That without VOTERS they don't stay in office and if they are not in office they don't get CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS... Leverage 101 |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 5:46:54 PM EDT
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Learn from the Tarrant County Open Carry people two sessions ago what not to do. Loud and in your face isn't always the way to go at first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm in for it. We need a good turn out of reasonable people to put gentle pressure on the Legislature to let them know that this IS important to VOTERS ... That without VOTERS they don't stay in office and if they are not in office they don't get CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS... Leverage 101 
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:39:31 PM EDT
[#20]
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I am an unbranded t-shirt,jeans and boots guy. If that is not good enough for someone they can piss off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am an unbranded t-shirt,jeans and boots guy. If that is not good enough for someone they can piss off. Quoted: Quoted for truth. Hawaiian shirt, jock strap, dress shoes and a light coat of CLP? |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 2:56:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Regarding message, expectations, and deliverables that will move 2A rights forward in TX...
I think we're all agreed that constitutional carry is a top priority, with the LTC being retained as an option for interstate travelers/ reciprocity. I would like to see to see some revision of the trespass laws (which will need to occur anyway if the LTC becomes optional). Specifically, I would like to see criminal culpability moved to a point where a carrier is told to leave but refuses. I'm ok (personally, ymmv) with increased penalties for refusing to leave 51% places, and for drinking while carrying. But (and I'm thinking of 51% places here), the possibility that a person can commit a felony without knowing it, based solely on poor sign placement, is ridiculous. If a carrier is told to leave a place and does so peacefully, no penalty should be attached. Finally, I think we need to look at repealing the state bans on NFA items. Right now we technically have bans on MGs, SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution if you have the correct federal paperwork for those items. I'll have to do some research to find out how many people have actually been prosecuted at the state level for these crimes, but I don't see why the state needs to parrot federal knee-jerk reactions to depression-era gangsters. If such things are against federal law, let the feds enforce it. There's no need for the state to double down. Is this too much to discuss at once? I'm down with prioritizing things, but if this is a senate committee spitball session, I think floating several different ideas may not be a bad thing. |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 4:03:27 PM EDT
[#22]
NFA "bans" were dismantled last session, I think. Don't quote me on that.
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Posted: 2/8/2020 11:55:28 AM EDT
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NFA "bans" were dismantled last session, I think. Don't quote me on that. That said, there were protections enacted (effective Sept 1 2019) against prosecution for 30.06 and 30.07 posted places (which is awesome). I think the same standard should be applied to 51% posted locations. I'd also like some way to prevent venues that contract with caterers/ alcohol vendors from posting the entire place 51%. Example: the Long Center is a UT-owned building. Campus Carry ought to apply. But because they contract with an alcohol vendor for shows, the whole facility is posted. That's ridiculous. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 10:22:52 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Regarding message, expectations, and deliverables that will move 2A rights forward in TX... I think we're all agreed that constitutional carry is a top priority, with the LTC being retained as an option for interstate travelers/ reciprocity. I would like to see to see some revision of the trespass laws (which will need to occur anyway if the LTC becomes optional). Specifically, I would like to see criminal culpability moved to a point where a carrier is told to leave but refuses. I'm ok (personally, ymmv) with increased penalties for refusing to leave 51% places, and for drinking while carrying. But (and I'm thinking of 51% places here), the possibility that a person can commit a felony without knowing it, based solely on poor sign placement, is ridiculous. If a carrier is told to leave a place and does so peacefully, no penalty should be attached. Finally, I think we need to look at repealing the state bans on NFA items. Right now we technically have bans on MGs, SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution if you have the correct federal paperwork for those items. I'll have to do some research to find out how many people have actually been prosecuted at the state level for these crimes, but I don't see why the state needs to parrot federal knee-jerk reactions to depression-era gangsters. If such things are against federal law, let the feds enforce it. There's no need for the state to double down. Is this too much to discuss at once? I'm down with prioritizing things, but if this is a senate committee spitball session, I think floating several different ideas may not be a bad thing. Can’t wait for this. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 10:29:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Me either. Is there a place where we can meet up for breakfast beforehand? I think the optics would look better for us if we presented a unified group entering the capital building.
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Posted: 2/9/2020 3:20:42 PM EDT
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Me either. Is there a place where we can meet up for breakfast beforehand? I think the optics would look better for us if we presented a unified group entering the capital building. |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 3:47:13 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Regarding message, expectations, and deliverables that will move 2A rights forward in TX... I think we're all agreed that constitutional carry is a top priority, with the LTC being retained as an option for interstate travelers/ reciprocity. I would like to see to see some revision of the trespass laws (which will need to occur anyway if the LTC becomes optional). Specifically, I would like to see criminal culpability moved to a point where a carrier is told to leave but refuses. I'm ok (personally, ymmv) with increased penalties for refusing to leave 51% places, and for drinking while carrying. But (and I'm thinking of 51% places here), the possibility that a person can commit a felony without knowing it, based solely on poor sign placement, is ridiculous. If a carrier is told to leave a place and does so peacefully, no penalty should be attached. Finally, I think we need to look at repealing the state bans on NFA items. Right now we technically have bans on MGs, SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution if you have the correct federal paperwork for those items. I'll have to do some research to find out how many people have actually been prosecuted at the state level for these crimes, but I don't see why the state needs to parrot federal knee-jerk reactions to depression-era gangsters. If such things are against federal law, let the feds enforce it. There's no need for the state to double down. Is this too much to discuss at once? I'm down with prioritizing things, but if this is a senate committee spitball session, I think floating several different ideas may not be a bad thing. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 8:26:55 PM EDT
[#28]
Bump
Are there any other planning/coordinating threads going on here or elsewhere? We probably need to start getting a headcount and non-specific gameplan going since we're only two weeks out. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 8:29:47 PM EDT
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BTW, the formal purpose of this hearing is for the Texas congress to show off what all their RKBA bills accomplished; we may want some arguments & anecdotes ready along those lines.
Campus armed self-defense incidents that would have been illegal previously is a good place to start, if there are any examples. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:19:08 AM EDT
[#30]
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Bump Are there any other planning/coordinating threads going on here or elsewhere? We probably need to start getting a headcount and non-specific gameplan going since we're only two weeks out. As far as ancedotes go, I'll have to do some digging. The main gist ought to be that, despite the cries and dildo protests from the leftists, campus carry has proven to be a non-issue. Ditto the changes to the trespass laws. And church carry has demonstrably saved lives. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:32:57 AM EDT
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Not to my knowledge. I know I'm going. I plan on getting there about 9-9:15 (in case traffic or parking is bad). I plan to park in the Capitol Visitors lot and go in from there. As far as ancedotes go, I'll have to do some digging. The main gist ought to be that, despite the cries and dildo protests from the leftists, campus carry has proven to be a non-issue. Ditto the changes to the trespass laws. And church carry has demonstrably saved lives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bump Are there any other planning/coordinating threads going on here or elsewhere? We probably need to start getting a headcount and non-specific gameplan going since we're only two weeks out. As far as ancedotes go, I'll have to do some digging. The main gist ought to be that, despite the cries and dildo protests from the leftists, campus carry has proven to be a non-issue. Ditto the changes to the trespass laws. And church carry has demonstrably saved lives. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 2:19:19 PM EDT
[#32]
I'll grab a spot in the same lot around that time. Takes me about 2 hours to get there.
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:33:31 PM EDT
[#33]
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I'll grab a spot in the same lot around that time. Takes me about 2 hours to get there. |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 2:49:18 PM EDT
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I’m coming from Spring area, so 2.5 hrs for me. A meetup at a separate spot to follow others into the Capitol area would be the best option for me.
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Posted: 2/17/2020 5:04:59 PM EDT
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Should we start a thread in GD, get more eyeballs on this? I'm hitting up the few contacts I have to see if we can get the hearing mentioned on a couple of the big gun blogs, not sure if there's anything else we can be doing for the next week to get the word out.
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:35:23 PM EDT
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Should we start a thread in GD, get more eyeballs on this? I'm hitting up the few contacts I have to see if we can get the hearing mentioned on a couple of the big gun blogs, not sure if there's anything else we can be doing for the next week to get the word out. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 8:55:00 PM EDT
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I'm in the Tomball area, Anyone carpooling from the Houston area?
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Posted: 2/23/2020 1:40:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2020 2:01:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2020 2:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks, missed it the first time around.
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Posted: 2/23/2020 2:47:05 PM EDT
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Thanks, missed it the first time around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/25/2020 4:58:13 AM EDT
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I'm in the Tomball area, Anyone carpooling from the Houston area? Email works best. Anyone else interested? |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 9:11:21 AM EDT
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Inbound
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Posted: 2/26/2020 10:20:43 AM EDT
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We meeting anywhere in particular on the grounds, or simply "the front?"
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Posted: 2/26/2020 10:31:44 AM EDT
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We meeting anywhere in particular on the grounds, or simply "the front?" |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 10:59:59 AM EDT
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I'm here. I'm gonna just head in.
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Posted: 2/26/2020 11:15:41 AM EDT
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I'm on my way, too
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Posted: 2/26/2020 11:16:21 AM EDT
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At the cafeteria
@barnbwt I have a red beard and am in a suit. ETA: pushed to the Senate chamber since it's 20 till. Don't see anyone else. Yet. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 11:41:15 AM EDT
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In the Cafeteria with the wife unit and ilmac25
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Posted: 2/26/2020 11:47:05 AM EDT
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In the Cafeteria with the wife unit and ilmac25 |
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