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I believe the $40 is what the background check costs TXDPS Quoted:
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Shouldn't cost any more than a drivers license, but I'll take $40. @txinvestigator will be along shortly to tell us in his dry way how the fee is appropriate.  |
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There was testimony today suggesting that the actual cost is even less. There was one amendment that would drop the cost to what was said to be the true cost of $10. It was tabled. Quoted:
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I believe the $40 is what the background check costs TXDPS |
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Seniors (over 60) are already $35 for renewal, just did mine last month. Quoted:
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Shouldn't cost any more than a drivers license, but I'll take $40. @txinvestigator will be along shortly to tell us in his dry way how the fee is appropriate. |
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when are they going to require a permit(card) for the rest of the rights. RTSC - right to speak card RTVC - Right to vote card and the other 8...although a card would be kinda big with they print them out. All that money they are losing. |
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Shouldn't cost any more than a drivers license, but I'll take $40. @txinvestigator will be along shortly to tell us in his dry way how the fee is appropriate.  Never said that, just said that at $140 they don't make money.
The FBI charges $25 bucks for the FP check. DPS sends an employee into each county in which you have lived/worked for 5 years to conduct a background check at the county level. Perhaps there was testimony on the actual cost of things that have fixed costs, but there is no fixed cost to the background check that DPS does. Perhaps they could average it. 
I am all for reduced fees, I pay them as well.
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Never said that, just said that at $140 they don't make money.
The FBI charges $25 bucks for the FP check. DPS sends an employee into each county in which you have lived/worked for 5 years to conduct a background check at the county level. Perhaps there was testimony on the actual cost of things that have fixed costs, but there is no fixed cost to the background check that DPS does. Perhaps they could average it.
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Shouldn't cost any more than a drivers license, but I'll take $40. @txinvestigator will be along shortly to tell us in his dry way how the fee is appropriate. Never said that, just said that at $140 they don't make money.
The FBI charges $25 bucks for the FP check. DPS sends an employee into each county in which you have lived/worked for 5 years to conduct a background check at the county level. Perhaps there was testimony on the actual cost of things that have fixed costs, but there is no fixed cost to the background check that DPS does. Perhaps they could average it.
I am all for reduced fees, I pay them as well. That and transfer fees for a gun cost much less than $40? |
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A couple of years ago (3 or so) the Texas Board of Professional Engineers changed their renewal rules to require licensed engineers to get the same finger prints and photo (all of the existing licensees and new that year and new ones from that point forward) that newly ltc have to go through. Either that year or a year later they dropped annual renewal fee from $240 to $40. I don't know exactly, but there is some reason they went that hard core to find out and have on record definitive proof of each engineers background. Are they doing a background check each year with that info? I don't know. But I do see people loose there license in TX for asshatery in other states when the board sends out the quarterly disciplinary email. That and transfer fees for a gun cost much less than $40? To What transfer fee for a gun are you referring in your last paragraph? |
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I don't imagine engineers board conducts in person background checks at the county level, do they? $40 would cover the FBI fee. To What transfer fee for a gun are you referring in your last paragraph? Quoted:
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A couple of years ago (3 or so) the Texas Board of Professional Engineers changed their renewal rules to require licensed engineers to get the same finger prints and photo (all of the existing licensees and new that year and new ones from that point forward) that newly ltc have to go through. Either that year or a year later they dropped annual renewal fee from $240 to $40. I don't know exactly, but there is some reason they went that hard core to find out and have on record definitive proof of each engineers background. Are they doing a background check each year with that info? I don't know. But I do see people loose there license in TX for asshatery in other states when the board sends out the quarterly disciplinary email. That and transfer fees for a gun cost much less than $40? To What transfer fee for a gun are you referring in your last paragraph? To the second, not sure what your angle is. Ever bought a firearm online from a licensed dealer, did it ship direct to your house? You seem knowledgeable on the subject. Is it law that the DPS does county level checks or preference. |
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Never said that, just said that at $140 they don't make money.
The FBI charges $25 bucks for the FP check. DPS sends an employee into each county in which you have lived/worked for 5 years to conduct a background check at the county level. Perhaps there was testimony on the actual cost of things that have fixed costs, but there is no fixed cost to the background check that DPS does. Perhaps they could average it.
I am all for reduced fees, I pay them as well. Regardless of the true cost, if legislators feel it necessary for the safety of the general public to license a right, the general public should pay for it. |
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To the first, as I said, I don't know, but they collected the same info as it took to get my chl. What do you think they are doing with the info? Maybe the DPS needs to stop spending so much effort (have never heard they go through that much effort, but will accept for argument sake) on doing personal checks at the county level. A speeding ticket warrant can throw up an arrest flag on a simple stop, why would they need to go through that much effort. Again, nobody is going county to county in the couple of minutes check it takes me to buy a firearm. Quoted:
To the first, as I said, I don't know, but they collected the same info as it took to get my chl. What do you think they are doing with the info? Maybe the DPS needs to stop spending so much effort (have never heard they go through that much effort, but will accept for argument sake) on doing personal checks at the county level. A speeding ticket warrant can throw up an arrest flag on a simple stop, why would they need to go through that much effort. Again, nobody is going county to county in the couple of minutes check it takes me to buy a firearm. To the second, not sure what your angle is. Ever bought a firearm online from a licensed dealer, did it ship direct to your house? I am not arguing against reducing or removing fees, I am just providing info. |
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That wasn't the testimony of the bill author. He said there absolutely was revenue retained in the general fund at $140. His testimony was that $40 reflects the true cost. The author of an amendment to lower the fee to $10 suggested the actual cost is even lower. Regardless of the true cost, if legislators feel it necessary for the safety of the general public to license a right, the general public should pay for it. Is there a way we can review that testimony? |
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I didn't hear the testimony. Are you sure he didn't say it was measurable or fixed cost? It costs money to staff the LTC division, pay for the manufacture of the license, $25 to the FBI, staff to conduct the in county backgrounds, mailing fees, gasoline, etc. Is there a way we can review that testimony? |
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This is a quote from the Texas Tribune:
'The proposed $40 fee would cover the Department of Public Safety's cost to administer the license program as well as the $27 needed for county, state and federal background checks, Nichols' office said in a statement.' https://www.texastribune.org/2017/03/20/bill-would-reduce-fee-obtain-license-carry-headed-full-senate/ |
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This article from the El Paso Inc states that if 1911 passed, the state would cut $382,615 in costs while forfeiting $22 million in licensing revenue in 2018. That sounds like a long way from currently being revenue neutral.
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/03/20/bill-would-reduce-fee-obtain-license-carry-headed-full-senate/ |
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I didn't hear the testimony. Are you sure he didn't say it was measurable or fixed cost? It costs money to staff the LTC division, pay for the manufacture of the license, $25 to the FBI, staff to conduct the in county backgrounds, mailing fees, gasoline, etc. Is there a way we can review that testimony? http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/house-gives-preliminary-bill-that-would-cut-gun-license-fees/8RdTKdXJ2VqCP1nyIk3SzJ/ "The bill would cost the state $22 million in lost revenue over the next two years, according to the Legislative Budget Board." |