Posted: 6/30/2015 5:53:48 PM EDT
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing?
If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? |
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? What verbiage? The biggest difference is OC requires belt/shoulder holster. |
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Quoted: With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. |
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I'm just taking a stab at what I think you mean. It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? |
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What verbiage? The biggest difference is OC requires belt/shoulder holster. Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? What verbiage? The biggest difference is OC requires belt/shoulder holster. What is the punishment if not stored in defined holsters? |
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I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? I would think effective 1/1, if the officer sees the gun, he could consider it being open carried. Maybe that's why they need 6 months to train up. |
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I would think effective 1/1, if the officer sees the gun, he could consider it being open carried. Maybe that's why they need 6 months to train up. Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? I would think effective 1/1, if the officer sees the gun, he could consider it being open carried. Maybe that's why they need 6 months to train up. Seeing the gun is not the same as seeing a bump under clothing. Not a crime right now. The reason the law goes into effect in Jan is that there are changes in the CHL course. DPS is renewing instructors this year, and they will have to roll out the changes to instructors ;) |
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Seeing the gun is not the same as seeing a bump under clothing. Not a crime right now. The reason the law goes into effect in Jan is that there are changes in the CHL course. DPS is renewing instructors this year, and they will have to roll out the changes to instructors ;) Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? I would think effective 1/1, if the officer sees the gun, he could consider it being open carried. Maybe that's why they need 6 months to train up. Seeing the gun is not the same as seeing a bump under clothing. Not a crime right now. The reason the law goes into effect in Jan is that there are changes in the CHL course. DPS is renewing instructors this year, and they will have to roll out the changes to instructors ;) That's that middle ground that isn't made clear. Sounds like printing if it wasn't intentional is good to go but intentional even when open carry is legal is a no no. I got a lot of learning to do if I'm going to every feel comfortable continuing my permit business down here in TX. |
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Seeing the gun is not the same as seeing a bump under clothing. Not a crime right now. The reason the law goes into effect in Jan is that there are changes in the CHL course. DPS is renewing instructors this year, and they will have to roll out the changes to instructors ;) Quoted:
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With Open Carry coming in January, how does this law effect printing through clothing? If it's legal concealed and it's legal open, is verbiage regarding printing being tossed out? It is still illegal to intentionally fail to conceal unless using a belt or shoulder holster. Printing isn't illegal unless you are intentionally failing to conceal. I guess that's the part I'm getting at. Since intent is hard to prove, if you are wearing a shirt that happens to be a little small and you elect to carry OWB who's to say it wasn't intentional making it a crime but simply lifting the shirt over it to makes it all good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is does OC nullify any of the middle ground between these two methods of carry? - Is showing just the bottom of the holster considered open carry? I would think effective 1/1, if the officer sees the gun, he could consider it being open carried. Maybe that's why they need 6 months to train up. Seeing the gun is not the same as seeing a bump under clothing. Not a crime right now. The reason the law goes into effect in Jan is that there are changes in the CHL course. DPS is renewing instructors this year, and they will have to roll out the changes to instructors ;) I was answering his second question about accidentally displaying firearm, not printing. |
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Quoted: That's that middle ground that isn't made clear. Sounds like printing if it wasn't intentional is good to go but intentional even when open carry is legal is a no no. I got a lot of learning to do if I'm going to every feel comfortable continuing my permit business down here in TX. If it is in a belt holster, then you are either carrying with intention for it to be concealed, which is fine, or intentionally failing to conceal, which is also fine as long as done in the manner prescribed by the new statute. There is no "middle ground" if both actions are legal. There is no such crime as concealed-but-not-good-enough-not-necessarily-intending-to-fail-to-conceal-but-being-pretty-careless-in-method-of-concealment.  |
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I have been carrying a Glock 19 or SIG M11 in an OWB holster for the last 15 years...never been spotted. Before that, it was a Glock 17 or Beretta M9...still was never spotted.
I know it is not a direct answer to your question, but people need to calm down about the whole "printing" issue. Printing never was a problem, it is about overall appearance, body language, clothing styles, etc. Besides, everyone these days has their face down in their cell phones and they walk around with blinders on. Nobody is looking at you. |
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Quoted: I have been carrying a Glock 19 or SIG M11 in an OWB holster for the last 15 years...never been spotted. Before that, it was a Glock 17 or Beretta M9...still was never spotted. I know it is not a direct answer to your question, but people need to calm down about the whole "printing" issue. Printing never was a problem, it is about overall appearance, body language, clothing styles, etc. Besides, everyone these days has their face down in their cell phones and they walk around with blinders on. Nobody is looking at you. |
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The law does not address "printing" whatever that means. Perhaps if you a nice looking woman wore a really tight t shirt and the word "glock" could be read through the really tight t shirt, then printing could be an issue. They can spray paint shirts on now 
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Same thing happens when I open carry in states I've lived in and visited that have allowed it LA, WI and OK. I'd say less than 10% of the folks around me are aware enough to notice. Quoted:
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I have been carrying a Glock 19 or SIG M11 in an OWB holster for the last 15 years...never been spotted. Before that, it was a Glock 17 or Beretta M9...still was never spotted. I know it is not a direct answer to your question, but people need to calm down about the whole "printing" issue. Printing never was a problem, it is about overall appearance, body language, clothing styles, etc. Besides, everyone these days has their face down in their cell phones and they walk around with blinders on. Nobody is looking at you. When I lived in AZ was the same thing, most that noticed were other gun people, just to see what you're carrying. Every so often some liberal tard will give you one of these looks  and want to know if you are a 'policeman' or ' WHY ARE YOU CARRYING A GUN?' I always enjoyed politely screwing with them, most were to dumb to know that I was screwing with them.
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