[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dallas Bag Ban (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/12/2013 11:15:49 PM EDT
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So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? 
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? Are you kidding? 
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? ^^^^^ See guys, this is what happens when we stop deporting illegals and idiots. 
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Austin has the bag ban and it has been annoying. Some stores provide paper bags now which is helpful if I forget mine. I typically just go to the Dripping Springs HEB because I like that store and they aren't subject to the bag ban. The plastic bags do get reused for bathroom trash can liners and lunch bags for work.
With that said, I actually do like using the reusable bags since they stand up on their own, carry more stuff, and have handles. I just don't like the gubment's involvement in the issue. |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? Are you kidding?
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So OP fells the bags are a problem. Admits he has means to help the "problem" on a personal level, but is to lazy. So the better course of action is to have the authorities force everyone else to take care of it, or be punished. |
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I think I'm more comfortable with the voluntary methods such as those used by Sprouts and Aldi. You use your own bag, or you can purchase paper or plastic. I believe HEB (Central Market) and Whole Foods plan to go this route. mm This The Target by me gives a nickel off for each of their bags you don't use. We got almost a buck off when we bought a metric shit load of groceries and a few Rubbermaid storage totes because we put it all in the totes. The cashier said that probably would have been X bags and scanned something that many times. Didn't think so much about not using the bags rather than the fact that it was super easy to carry it all to the truck and into the house in the totes. Jester |
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Most of the "reusable" cloth bags are WORSE for the environment than the plastic bags! I'm beginning to think this whole thing was a plot by the retailers so they could save money on not giving away the plastic bags and make extra money by selling people expensive cloth bags.
As for why the cloth bags are worse for the environment... most of them need to be re-used over 100 times to have a net improvement over the plastic bags in terms of the manufacturing process... BUT... from what I've read the research that has been done shows that most of them are used less than 1/2 that many times before they are lost, damaged or soiled beyond usability. And most of them are not easily re-cycleable like the plastic bags and may not even break down in a landfill much quicker. Oh... and the bags most of the stores in the Austin area area selling... MADE IN CHINA... So basically from an eco-friendly standpoint these bag bans are really another case of the eco-morons shooting themselves in the foot because in their rush to "DO SOMETHING!" they don't look at the big picture and make sure they are doing the RIGHT thing. FWIW, on researching the problem my wife found some re-usable plastic bags (they are thicker than the ones given out free) that only need to be re-used 20 times to be better for the environment than the thin plastic ones... plus they are 100% recyclable plastic and MADE IN USA! Oh.,. and they also cost less than the ones H-E-B, etc. are selling... |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? Are you kidding?
I doubt he is.
So OP fells the bags are a problem. Admits he has means to help the "problem" on a personal level, but is to lazy. So the better course of action is to have the authorities force everyone else to take care of it, or be punished. The problem is we have a bunch of lazy assholes that throw trash on the ground and don't give a shit. And instead of assfucking them with their own droppings, we legislate the hell out of everyone else. |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? ^^^^^ See guys, this is what happens when we stop deporting illegals and idiots. In the past we didn't have to deport idiots, they would eventually die from their own stupidity. However, now we have the government protecting them and making decisions for them allowing them to live extending lives and breed to create a whole new generation of idiots. |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? ^^^^^ See guys, this is what happens when we stop deporting illegals and idiots. In the past we didn't have to deport idiots, they would eventually die from their own stupidity. However, now we have the government protecting them and making decisions for them allowing them to live extending lives and breed to create a whole new generation of idiots. Idiocracy? |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? ^^^^^ See guys, this is what happens when we stop deporting illegals and idiots. In the past we didn't have to deport idiots, they would eventually die from their own stupidity. However, now we have the government protecting them and making decisions for them allowing them to live extending lives and breed to create a whole new generation of idiots. How true your comment is it makes me sad 
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Idiocracy? Pretty much. Reusable shopping bags, it's what plants crave! Cause its got electrolytes right? Brawndo |
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? So basically what I have gathered from responses are these new bags kill American jobs, they don't save money, they are worse for the environment, and you came to some illogical epiphany based on what? 
Dallas has NO AUTHORITY to tell you what kind of bag to carry. OP supports big government. |
I use those bags for trash bags, brass bags when we shoot out back. So the gov would want me to use a full size bag to put in a small bathroom trashcan, sounds like gov. thinking to me. I wonder what there main reason is, 90 % of trash on our road are beer cans and fastfood drinks cups. Sounds like a way to tax us to pay for Obamacare.
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I doubt he is.
So OP fells the bags are a problem. Admits he has means to help the "problem" on a personal level, but is to lazy. So the better course of action is to have the authorities force everyone else to take care of it, or be punished. Quoted:
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Background story So as I was strolling into my local Kroger on Mockingbird Lane today, I was accosted by an old woman asking me to sign a petition. A petition against the Dallas bag ban. Not being in a particular hurry, and interested to see how well she was actually informed about the issue, I stood there for a good 4-5 minutes as she explained the cons of the bag ban. Initially I was shocked by such a sweeping move by the city. It just seemed like such a big change. But as she expounded on the jobs lost (117 jobs locally, according to her) all I could think about was how people have to be forced to be responsible, or they'll never do it. And so it was when she said, "Do you think the city of Dallas should be able to tell you what kind of bags you can or can't use," that I came to realization as I said it out loud, "Yeah... actually I do." And walked away. I have a bunch of the recyclable cloth bags (because I've dated girls that it was important to) but I literally never take them to the store. But obviously if other bags weren't available, or I were charged for them, I would use my cloth bags. I'm just surprised. When did I become such a big government sycophant? Are you kidding?
I doubt he is.
So OP fells the bags are a problem. Admits he has means to help the "problem" on a personal level, but is to lazy. So the better course of action is to have the authorities force everyone else to take care of it, or be punished. No one gets punished by the authorities, the bags just aren't available. IIRC this applies to plastic bags under a certain thickness, and all paper bags. It doesn't apply to several different types of businesses like convenience stores. I tend to think that incentive based solutions are less onerous (make people pay for the bags) but since stores aren't widely implementing such policies themselves, this is the option we're left with. I'm not from California either. Born in Texas and raised in University Park, so I could hardly get more Texan. My brother fled Texas for CA as soon as he finished college and hasn't looked back though, and he seems pretty happy out there. Hrmm....
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Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? |
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Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? Do we really need gov telling us what bags we should use ? The jury is still out on recycling- is it worth it ? |
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Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? These bag bans really are the first step... next the gov't will be telling us we all have to buy hybrid vehicles even though they pollute more over their lifespan than a conventional vehicle (due to how dirty the manufacturing and recycling of the battery packs are). That's the kind of slippery slope letting these libtards have an inch is. And I dunno about anyone else, but I re-use most iofl those plastic bags for carrying other stuff, for trash bags, for disposing of cat litter, etc... They don't just get thrown away at my house unless they break or are contaminated with blood from meat or something. |
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Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? I actually do recycle my bags. Every 200 bags I take to Austin to my old medic, she gives me nookie. I wonder if she'd also make me a sandwich if I took a case of 1000. mm |
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Take a stroll through the parks on the north side of White Rock Lake and the Trinity River bottoms, the streams and banks are choked with trash.
Ban bags now. Next month styrofoam cups. Next month plastic bottles. Next month disposable diapers. Next month car tires. We can go through through an endless cycle of banning shit that we need and use on a daily basis. You need to reclaim something we lost as a culture... That is... PICK UP YOUR OWN SHIT! Don't expect the rest of us to sacrific or do it for you. |
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I'm guessing, fortunately for most of you, you don't actually live\grocery shop in Dallas, so you won't be affected by the ban. Right, because if we did we'd be all fired up about .gov telling us how to carry groceries. Is that the theory? "Yay, the Dallas city council knows what's best for me!" |
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I actually do recycle my bags. Every 200 bags I take to Austin to my old medic, she gives me nookie. I wonder if she'd also make me a sandwich if I took a case of 1000. mm Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? I actually do recycle my bags. Every 200 bags I take to Austin to my old medic, she gives me nookie. I wonder if she'd also make me a sandwich if I took a case of 1000. mm Let me know where I can donate to this. A man's gotta eat right? |
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Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? Quoted:
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so I could hardly get more Texan. Believe me, you could be a lot more Texan. I suggest you follow your brother to some place like California where the government will take care of you. Is a bag ban really an undue restriction on your freedom? We already have a recycling program, isn't this the next logical step, since most of those plastic bags aren't recycled? I don't need the fucking government telling me what kind of fucking bag I can use when I go shopping or that I can use in my store. It's not the governments place to make decisions on every single aspect of everyday life. You don't have a clue what it means to be a Texan with your nanny state bullshit. |
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I tend to think that incentive based solutions are less onerous (make people pay for the bags) but since stores aren't widely implementing such policies themselves, this is the option we're left with. I'm not from California either. Born in Texas and raised in University Park, so I could hardly get more Texan. My brother fled Texas for CA as soon as he finished college and hasn't looked back though, and he seems pretty happy out there. Hrmm.... So you think bags are currently free and Wal-Mart (et. Al.) doesn't charge you for them? |
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Classic liberalism.
- Citizens can not be trusted to do "what is right" on their own, so they must be forced to do it. - Citizens are like children - selfish, and incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Thus, it is the state's duty to treat them like children. |