Posted: 9/4/2011 10:13:40 PM EDT
| Here lately three dogs have been coming onto mine and my parents property and for a while they were just pissing all over our trees, but here lately they've been fighting with our dog and they killed our cat. Our dog is very old and has lost most of his teeth. He has lost his hearing and is going blind. He's pretty much defenseless since he can barely move. My mother was in the hospital a few weeks back and i was on the phone when he found the cat dead in the backyard. Animal control wants us to trap them before they take them. I'm not wasting money on a trap. I hate to just shoot someones dogs but if they can't keep them under control, that's what may happen. What are my options? |
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I'd go ahead and shoot. Similar situation happened to me, two dogs came on to my property, killed a chicken while I was at work. Ex wife couldn't scare them away - they took one of our birds. Showed up again on a saturday - chickens were penned up, but the dogs wanted in. I went to the barn with AR-15 - dogs didn't have collars, so as soon as I had a clear shot, I dropped one. Think I wounded the second, it never came back.
Dogs that are wandering and killing pets / livestock need to be dealt with, unless you know who owns them so you can deal with them. I once took in a neighbors backyard dog after it killed a few birds and neighbor wouldn't deal with it. Made sure the dog was housebroke, cleaned it up, then put ad in paper and found it a new home. Good luck. I still feel a little bad about shooting at the two dogs - only time I've felt bad about shooting anything. |
| Practicing the 3 S's has already been violated by your posting this thread. I guess the big question is where do you live & how much property are you talking. Aint the dogs fault it's owner are jackasses, but killing your cat seems to make for a change of heart. Cops tend to like to shoot dogs from what I've seen on the internet. Peeps do think killing their dogs give them retaliatory rights, especially if they are jackasses. If you shoot them better kill them because wounding them to go back home will cause you legal problems. |
| Out here if you call the LCSD about roaming dogs you get the following quote: You do what you have to do to protect yourself and your property. Unless you live in some town this is probably SOP for all counties. Shoot the damn thing in the head, and then drag it back to some remote corner of your property. The buzzards and maggots will have it cleaned up in about 5 days. |
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Need more info. Outside city limits? It's basically a neighborhood in the country. I've shot snakes and other things before and the neighbor across the street has shot at dogs with his sks before and we've never had a deputy show up. I just don't want any trouble over this if i shoot them. There's three of them and my dog is chained up so it's nowhere near a fair fight. |
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Rocksalt. Really? You think rocksalt will do the trick? Box O Truth - Rocksalt OP, shoot them and put them down clean before you bury them or leave them out much further from your property. |
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Choot 'em Jacob . fixed it. I'm thinking this is what will have to be done. I'll just have to do what i have to do. I've just never been a fan of shooting a pet. Maybe i'm just being a baby about it. I know what you mean. I've even had a dog or two run past my deer blind and have let have a free pass. Fact is, I've never shot a dog. But if they killed my cat and came back to kill my blind dog on a chain all that would change. You might consider changing your dog's situation. If I came home to find him staked out and mauled to death knowing I could have prevented it that would be tough to live with. |
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<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></meta>Texas Penal Code Sec. 42.092. CRUELTY TO NONLIVESTOCK ANIMALS. (a) In this section: (1) "Abandon" includes abandoning an animal in the person's custody without making reasonable arrangements for assumption of custody by another person. (2) "Animal" means a domesticated living creature, including any stray or feral cat or dog, and a wild living creature previously captured. The term does not include an uncaptured wild living creature or a livestock animal. (3) "Cruel manner" includes a manner that causes or permits unjustified or unwarranted pain or suffering. (4) "Custody" includes responsibility for the health, safety, and welfare of an animal subject to the person's care and control, regardless of ownership of the animal. (5) "Depredation" has the meaning assigned by Section 71.001, Parks and Wildlife Code. (6) "Livestock animal" has the meaning assigned by Section 42.09. (7) "Necessary food, water, care, or shelter" includes food, water, care, or shelter provided to the extent required to maintain the animal in a state of good health. (8) "Torture" includes any act that causes unjustifiable pain or suffering. (b) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly: (1) tortures an animal or in a cruel manner kills or causes serious bodily injury to an animal; (2) without the owner's effective consent, kills, administers poison to, or causes serious bodily injury to an animal; (3) fails unreasonably to provide necessary food, water, care, or shelter for an animal in the person's custody; (4) abandons unreasonably an animal in the person's custody; (5) transports or confines an animal in a cruel manner; (6) without the owner's effective consent, causes bodily injury to an animal; (7) causes one animal to fight with another animal, if either animal is not a dog; (8) uses a live animal as a lure in dog race training or in dog coursing on a racetrack; or (9) seriously overworks an animal. (c) An offense under Subsection (b)(3), (4), (5), (6), or (9) is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a state jail felony if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section, two times under Section 42.09, or one time under this section and one time under Section 42.09. An offense under Subsection (b)(1), (2), (7), or (8) is a state jail felony, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section, two times under Section 42.09, or one time under this section and one time under Section 42.09. (d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the actor had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the actor or to another person by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and Safety Code; or (2) the actor was engaged in bona fide experimentation for scientific research. (e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(2) or (6) that: (1) the animal was discovered on the person's property in the act of or after injuring or killing the person's livestock animals or damaging the person's crops and that the person killed or injured the animal at the time of this discovery; or (2) the person killed or injured the animal within the scope of the person's employment as a public servant or in furtherance of activities or operations associated with electricity transmission or distribution, electricity generation or operations associated with the generation of electricity, or natural gas delivery. (f) It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful: (1) form of conduct occurring solely for the purpose of or in support of: (A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or (B) wildlife management, wildlife or depredation control, or shooting preserve practices as regulated by state and federal law; or (2) animal husbandry or agriculture practice involving livestock animals. (g) This section does not create a civil cause of action for damages or enforcement of the section. |
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Do any of your neighbors recognize the dogs? Have you seen them before they started attacking your pets?
If they belong to someone in your neighborhood shooting them might create problems. If they are feral or pure strays just put them down before they catch and spread rabies or tear up more pets in the neighborhood. Jim |
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As already mentioned, Shoot, Shovel, and Silence. Once you involve civil authorities you will be the prime suspect if an animal disappears. Absolutely remove any thought that people will "do the right thing" if informed of your problem. If it goes to court they will lie through their teeth.
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<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></meta>Texas Penal Code Sec. 42.092. CRUELTY TO NONLIVESTOCK ANIMALS. (a) In this section: (1) "Abandon" includes abandoning an animal in the person's custody without making reasonable arrangements for assumption of custody by another person. (2) "Animal" means a domesticated living creature, including any stray or feral cat or dog, and a wild living creature previously captured. The term does not include an uncaptured wild living creature or a livestock animal. (3) "Cruel manner" includes a manner that causes or permits unjustified or unwarranted pain or suffering. (4) "Custody" includes responsibility for the health, safety, and welfare of an animal subject to the person's care and control, regardless of ownership of the animal. (5) "Depredation" has the meaning assigned by Section 71.001, Parks and Wildlife Code. (6) "Livestock animal" has the meaning assigned by Section 42.09. (7) "Necessary food, water, care, or shelter" includes food, water, care, or shelter provided to the extent required to maintain the animal in a state of good health. (8) "Torture" includes any act that causes unjustifiable pain or suffering. (b) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly: (1) tortures an animal or in a cruel manner kills or causes serious bodily injury to an animal; (2) without the owner's effective consent, kills, administers poison to, or causes serious bodily injury to an animal; (3) fails unreasonably to provide necessary food, water, care, or shelter for an animal in the person's custody; (4) abandons unreasonably an animal in the person's custody; (5) transports or confines an animal in a cruel manner; (6) without the owner's effective consent, causes bodily injury to an animal; (7) causes one animal to fight with another animal, if either animal is not a dog; (8) uses a live animal as a lure in dog race training or in dog coursing on a racetrack; or (9) seriously overworks an animal. (c) An offense under Subsection (b)(3), (4), (5), (6), or (9) is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a state jail felony if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section, two times under Section 42.09, or one time under this section and one time under Section 42.09. An offense under Subsection (b)(1), (2), (7), or (8) is a state jail felony, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section, two times under Section 42.09, or one time under this section and one time under Section 42.09. (d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the actor had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the actor or to another person by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and Safety Code; or (2) the actor was engaged in bona fide experimentation for scientific research. (e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(2) or (6) that: (1) the animal was discovered on the person's property in the act of or after injuring or killing the person's livestock animals or damaging the person's crops and that the person killed or injured the animal at the time of this discovery; or (2) the person killed or injured the animal within the scope of the person's employment as a public servant or in furtherance of activities or operations associated with electricity transmission or distribution, electricity generation or operations associated with the generation of electricity, or natural gas delivery. (f) It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful: (1) form of conduct occurring solely for the purpose of or in support of: (A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or (B) wildlife management, wildlife or depredation control, or shooting preserve practices as regulated by state and federal law; or (2) animal husbandry or agriculture practice involving livestock animals. (g) This section does not create a civil cause of action for damages or enforcement of the section. lol- i see what you did there. |
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Rocksalt. Really? You think rocksalt will do the trick? Box O Truth - Rocksalt OP, shoot them and put them down clean before you bury them or leave them out much further from your property. As a kid we use to "raid" strawberry patches and eat all we could. I can tell you when the farmer is chasing after you with the shot gun you are scared straight and the rock salt stings. |
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Need more info. Outside city limits? It's basically a neighborhood in the country. I've shot snakes and other things before and the neighbor across the street has shot at dogs with his sks before and we've never had a deputy show up. I just don't want any trouble over this if i shoot them. There's three of them and my dog is chained up so it's nowhere near a fair fight. If you have to pull the trigger make sure your story is I was defending my property, they were attacking my dog, chickens, cat etc when I shot them. You have to shoot while they're attacking. It's only a defense to prosecution, and defending a felony is not cheap if it gets that far. |
| Back in the 70s the guy that owned the deer lease my dad and his friends used had this problem. City folks moved to the country and let their dogs run loose. They packed up and started killing calves and goats. The farmer put out cianide traps and told all the deer hunters he expected them to kill any dog they saw on the property. I was young and it bothered me to see my father kill a nice looking dog but it was necessary. The effect of irresponsible people goes a lot farther than most would think.. |
| If you feel some pity for the dogs as you humanely kill and dispose of them, while raging against the motherfucker who made you do this unpleasant deed, you are doing the right thing. Just don't make it suffer & be vewy quiet about it when disposing of the poor beasts, as LE so often tries its best to fuck over the guy who defends himself, while ignoring the acts that start the chain of events. Handle it, then hush. |