[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Saw Some Open Carry Today (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/20/2010 10:39:51 AM EDT
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Went to LaMadeleine (McKinney) for Fathers Day this am. While waiting for InLaws to show, in walks this old codger carrying gun in his waistband. His situation awareness was so bad, I had no problem walking up behind him to take this picture. InLaws have now shown up and we are having our meal, MIL (80 yo) sees the guy getting up from nearby table and blurts out across the room, "Look at that Pistol Packer!" Most of the room looks over and sees gun, guy is still clueless he has been made.   |
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Mexican open carry with a BHP at the 5 o'clock position in a state that doesn't allow open carry. Add the lack of situational awareness and complete lack of weapon retention and you have a recipe for instant fail.
You got so close to him that you could have just pulled it right out. |
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Situational awareness?
This guy may be a Texas ranger or retired ranger. Even if not you only got within a few feet of him. I bet you can walk up behind a cop and touch them before they notice. If you touched this guy you would have some explaining to do just like a cop. I don't see what the deal with you taking the picture is anyway. It's not like he could draw down on you for taking his picture so why should he notice or acknolage your existance. Even it he was obivious no body was injured by him having that scary gun in full view of the public. |
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Situational awareness? This guy may be a Texas ranger or retired ranger. Even if not you only got within a few feet of him. I bet you can walk up behind a cop and touch them before they notice. If you touched this guy you would have some explaining to do just like a cop. I don't see what the deal with you taking the picture is anyway. It's not like he could draw down on you for taking his picture so why should he notice or acknolage your existance. Even it he was obivious no body was injured by him having that scary gun in full view of the public. Are you seriously trying to justify his irresponsibility? ETA, its not like cops carry guns in their waistband at the 5 o'clock position with zero weapon retention. |
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Wish I could do that. Looks like some here have a strong case of hoplophobia when they see open carry outside a range. Just what kind of response were you trying to illicit or expecting by seeing how close and how many pictures you could take? If he had on a expensive rollex should someone try and grab it to prove a point? |
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Quoted: Just what kind of response were you trying to illicit or expecting by seeing how close and how many pictures you could take? None, that is why I made sure he did not see me. I do not see many Senior Citizens open carry a BHP in their waistband, so I thought it was newsworthy, so I would share. My bad if this is a common occurrence in Texas. |
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Take it easy on Renegade... it cracks me up how god damn aggressive for no reason some of you dudes can be about some of the most random shit. kinda uneasy knowing some of you actually own firearms.
While I have no qualms about it... The first thing that comes to my mind, is not only is it illegal, I could have snatched that right out of the back of his belt and robbed his ass. CONCEALED carry has its advantages. Minus all that, I would have mind my own business and I would have not had a second thought. Thanks for sharing, I've never seen someone open carry like that in public unless an active duty officer or way way out in the country. LaMadeleines isn't that great of food :P Well at least the one time I went. |
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Mexican open carry with a BHP at the 5 o'clock position in a state that doesn't allow open carry. Add the lack of situational awareness and complete lack of weapon retention and you have a recipe for instant fail. You got so close to him that you could have just pulled it right out. Wtf is Mexican open carry? |
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Mexican open carry with a BHP at the 5 o'clock position in a state that doesn't allow open carry. Add the lack of situational awareness and complete lack of weapon retention and you have a recipe for instant fail. You got so close to him that you could have just pulled it right out. Wtf is Mexican open carry? Mexican carry is just carrying a gun in the waistband, no holster. He was obviously open carrying so I tacked it on there. With the exception of ghetto thug wannabes on the internet, I have never seen someone Mexican carry openly. |
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Wish I could do that. Looks like some here have a strong case of hoplophobia when they see open carry outside a range. Just what kind of response were you trying to illicit or expecting by seeing how close and how many pictures you could take? If he had on a expensive rollex should someone try and grab it to prove a point? Comparing taking a watch to taking a gun is a big jump. There are reasons cops use Level II-IV retention holsters while on duty. Retention is a huge component of open carry. I don't think anyone here is going to argue that open carry shouldn't be legal. However, if you are going to do it, use some common sense please. Only a complete fool would open carry like that, even if it was legal to do. |
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Quoted: Anyone can argue the merits of different carry styles. The only thing that makes one wrong or right is our perspective. Legality, as long as there is no threat, is his issue. Fear or disgust of the situation is also a choice or if it runes the dining experience.Quoted: Wish I could do that. Looks like some here have a strong case of hoplophobia when they see open carry outside a range. Just what kind of response were you trying to illicit or expecting by seeing how close and how many pictures you could take? If he had on a expensive rollex should someone try and grab it to prove a point? Comparing taking a watch to taking a gun is a big jump. There are reasons cops use Level II-IV retention holsters while on duty. Retention is a huge component of open carry. I don't think anyone here is going to argue that open carry shouldn't be legal. However, if you are going to do it, use some common sense please. Only a complete fool would open carry like that, even if it was legal to do. |
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What I find great is that in a state where open carry is not permitted, several people saw the man who was clearly openly carrying (and did not have any obvious badge to go along with it), and there was no huge reaction, calls to 911, or tactical call-outs (that we know of, since the OP eventually left). On the other hand, we hear about that shit all the time in states where open carry is permitted.
I'm sure a lot of it had to do with the way the man was dressed and perhaps the way he carried himself. |
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I would just like to see him draw and point that BHP without pointing it at himself with the grip pointed to the outside like that. It can be done but it would be a real dance. If his arm movement was limited in any way it would be hard to get the grip in hand properly. Maybe he's so good he can hold the gun barrel down and do the trigger with his pinkie.
Any time I see someone not in a LEO uniform carrying openly I just assume they are LEO of some kind and it appears that everyone else does because nobody makes a fuss. Every time I've seen it their appearance supports that assumption. If I saw that I might think again but I wouldn't get too excited about it. |
| This reminds me of how idiotic that tv show on the outdoor channel that teaches self defense is. They show situations where the guy protecting himself is open carrying which makes it a lot easier for him to get his weapon into action. They should be showing how to engage your weapon when it is concealed and you have to move a layer of concealment to do so. |
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I would have gently told him he may want to check his shirt. While it is easy to assume he is dumb for OC'ing he may have just forgot to pull his shirt over ... Not anything to make a big deal over.
I really thought this thread was going to be OC of a long gun (ie AR15 on a motorcyclist or something!) |
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I saw two guys open carrying about four years ago in a Mexican restaurant near where I once lived.
One had an IWB 1911, the other a paperweight, opps, I meant Glock. I watched them closely during dinner as I was carrying concealed. Both were dressed in "Western" attire. I happened to be leaving at about the same time they were and saw a badge on teh Glock-wearer's belt. None noticed on the other. I think the badge said "U.S. Marshall" So, don't make assumptions. They did not seem to care one way or the other what people thought. Since I'm not an LEO, I did nothing, and I think that some of the Arfcommers need to be reminded that having a CHL does NOT make us LEO's, though I somethimes think the gun fight fantasies outweigh reason with some posters. Not necessarily this thread at all, just saying. |
That's where I carry, IWB, concealed...BUT...the direction he has his grips is not exactly that of a professional. Many people would advise to carry with the grip pointing in towards the back (<<\\ not //>>) the << >> being the grips. Reason is because when you draw, the aim is to keep the loaded weapon pointed away from you and in the direction of the action. Anyhow, who knows who he really was. By the looks of the belt....I'd say Texas Ranger. 
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I'm in Corpus and I've on two different occasions seen individuals open carry. One was an older women in business attire, on the front next to her holster was a badge of some type. I assumed she was a fed of some type (then again I didnt look closely at the badge it could have been fake for all anyone else knew). 2nd time was some guy who could have been a plainclothes cop of some sort, but didnt have any badge or ID showing, he seemed to be just shopping too so no issues there regardless. |
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i would hope to god that there arent any texas rangers left in the world that are stupid enough to carry in a manner such as that.
Also, as a person who open carries in a level 2-3 (depending on configuarion) holster. I will say that if a person wanted to walk up behind me and grab my firearm they could. They could probably get a good hold on it and attempt to deactivate the retention device before i caught it. Only problem is that, i know from training and practice that i can grab my gun before you get it out of the holster, and from there, the only hard part you're going to face is hanging onto my gun, keeping all your limbs intact, and staying alive all at once. It takes alot of practice to open carry right. I know alot of cops that tell me they are 100% confident in their weapon retention training. When you give them a blue gun and go for a sterotypical textbook weapon grab they do fine, but when you use more unconventional tactics (which i wont go into here) they forget that their gun is their biggest weakness and focus on protecting other stuff. I have the mentality that I will be ready for anything no matter what equipment i happen to have. You can open carry without a holster like that guy, but you pretty much cant turn your back on anyone, cant get within arms reach or risk scuffling with anyone, and cant run or move your body at any normal angles. I would much prefer concealed carry in a proper holster to that. Really, he would still be negligent if he concealed carried that thing in that manner. This isnt to say that i have NEVER concealed carried without a holster, but if i did, it was in situations like being on a long car ride and mexican carrying 6 feet from the car to the bathroom to pee, and back to the car, or letting the dog out to pee at 4am, ect. |
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That's where I carry, IWB, concealed...BUT...the direction he has his grips is not exactly that of a professional. Many people would advise to carry with the grip pointing in towards the back (<<\\ not //>>) the << >> being the grips. Reason is because when you draw, the aim is to keep the loaded weapon pointed away from you and in the direction of the action. Anyhow, who knows who he really was. By the looks of the belt....I'd say Texas Ranger. As silly as it sounds, the hat is all wrong for that guy to be a Ranger. |
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Open carry of a pistol is... shudder... illegal in Tx. What if he owns the place. really that and he just forgot to leave it in the truck, are the only two legitimate answers that i can come up with. Or he is a peace officer, or special investigator, or he is traveling, or is a parole officer, or community supervision and corrections department officer, or juvenile probation officer... ;) |
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What I find great is that in a state where open carry is not permitted, several people saw the man who was clearly openly carrying (and did not have any obvious badge to go along with it), and there was no huge reaction, calls to 911, or tactical call-outs (that we know of, since the OP eventually left). Anyone who can afford to eat at La Madeleine automatically gets the benefit of the doubt... 
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Next time, to avoid all the speculation, just ask him. ....or are you posting the image of yourself just to jack with the hometown forum folks?   word dog! Seriously, i may be a little too outgoing but i would have probably walked up to him, and just straight up asked him what the deal is with him open carrying. If you dont want to talk about it then dont put out in the public view. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Next time, to avoid all the speculation, just ask him. ....or are you posting the image of yourself just to jack with the hometown forum folks? word dog! Seriously, i may be a little too outgoing but i would have probably walked up to him, and just straight up asked him what the deal is with him open carrying. If you dont want to talk about it then dont put out in the public view. Because I really did not care who he is or if what he is doing is legal or not. I am not an LEO like both of you. I just want to eat my meal with family and get about my life. But if in my journey's I see Man Bites Dog, I will snap a photo and share. I only wish this happened in Wal-Mart, so I could have posted it to People Of Wal-Mart. My favorite part which I do not think anyone mentioned, was he took the time to get a nice holster for his cell phone, but not his firearm. |
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Next time, to avoid all the speculation, just ask him. ....or are you posting the image of yourself just to jack with the hometown forum folks? word dog! Seriously, i may be a little too outgoing but i would have probably walked up to him, and just straight up asked him what the deal is with him open carrying. If you dont want to talk about it then dont put out in the public view. Because I really did not care who he is or if what he is doing is legal or not. I am not an LEO like both of you. I just want to eat my meal with family and get about my life. But if in my journey's I see Man Bites Dog, I will snap a photo and share. I only wish this happened in Wal-Mart, so I could have posted it to People Of Wal-Mart. My favorite part which I do not think anyone mentioned, was he took the time to get a nice holster for his cell phone, but not his firearm. Hey, I certainly appreciated the pic! If anything, the incident provides another affirmation of how many people are walking around in condition white. |
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As an active LEO - not many agencies allow weapons to be carried like that. Rule of thumb is - open carry LEO - have badge next to holster... this guy is a striaght up DUMB ASS guys, nothing more than that. As far as TX-CHL holders - I love em !! BUT - GET / KEEP UP TRAINING...... Recent FBI statistics say that 80% of hyper violent criminals practice with firearms regularly with 40% getting professional training.... ALOT of hard core gang bangers have gone into the military on short enlistments to learn urban combat tactics only to teach the tactics to other low lifes |
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Next time, to avoid all the speculation, just ask him. ....or are you posting the image of yourself just to jack with the hometown forum folks? word dog! Seriously, i may be a little too outgoing but i would have probably walked up to him, and just straight up asked him what the deal is with him open carrying. If you dont want to talk about it then dont put out in the public view. If you're not an LEO, is it really any of your business? I'm not trying to be an asshole, but, realistically, just being a "gun person" or a CHL holder does not give you the right to question people in any way shape or form. I feel the need for a "Little Johnny" joke. Little Johnny is sitting on the corner eating Snickers bars one after another A guy walking by sees this, stops and says "Hey, how are you?" Little Johnny opens another Snickers, takes a huge bite and says "Howdy, how are you?" The guy says "Don't you know eating those Snickers bars full of sugar and nuts are bad for you?" Little Johnny "My grandfather lived until he was 107 years old" The guy "Did he eat Snickers bars by the dozen too?" Little Johnny "Fuck if I know, but he minded his own fucking business" |
