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12/14/2009 11:37:59 AM EDT
I know what the law says, but am confused as to the resoning behind it.  My MIL is in the hospital right now, and the wife and I went to see her Saturday night.  As we walk up to the door, there is the familiar warnings about concealed carry into the hospital.  Isn't there a certain ruling that says this applies only to hospitals where there is a mental health ward?  I seem to recall that in my previous classes, but cannot seem to find out if this is the fact or if there is another reason.  Little help please.
12/14/2009 12:18:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Most hospitals do have mental wards. I work in a children's hospital that does not, but is still posted and I have no issue with that restriction.
12/14/2009 12:40:52 PM EDT
[#2]
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I know what the law says, but am confused as to the resoning behind it.  My MIL is in the hospital right now, and the wife and I went to see her Saturday night.  As we walk up to the door, there is the familiar warnings about concealed carry into the hospital.  Isn't there a certain ruling that says this applies only to hospitals where there is a mental health ward?  I seem to recall that in my previous classes, but cannot seem to find out if this is the fact or if there is another reason.  Little help please.


No, it does not apply only to hospital with mental health wards.

Any hospital with 30.06 notice posted is off limits; but ONLY if proper 30.06 notice is given.


This is the exact wording the sign must have;  in both English and Spanish


12/14/2009 3:23:09 PM EDT
[#3]
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I know what the law says, but am confused as to the resoning behind it.  My MIL is in the hospital right now, and the wife and I went to see her Saturday night.  As we walk up to the door, there is the familiar warnings about concealed carry into the hospital.  Isn't there a certain ruling that says this applies only to hospitals where there is a mental health ward?  I seem to recall that in my previous classes, but cannot seem to find out if this is the fact or if there is another reason.  Little help please.


No, it does not apply only to hospital with mental health wards.

Any hospital with 30.06 notice posted is off limits; but ONLY if proper 30.06 notice is given.


This is the exact wording the sign must have;  in both English and Spanish

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/txinvestigator/CHL/3006sign.jpg


Doesn't it have to be in 1inch letters too?
12/14/2009 4:04:21 PM EDT
[#4]
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Quoted:
I know what the law says, but am confused as to the resoning behind it.  My MIL is in the hospital right now, and the wife and I went to see her Saturday night.  As we walk up to the door, there is the familiar warnings about concealed carry into the hospital.  Isn't there a certain ruling that says this applies only to hospitals where there is a mental health ward?  I seem to recall that in my previous classes, but cannot seem to find out if this is the fact or if there is another reason.  Little help please.


No, it does not apply only to hospital with mental health wards.

Any hospital with 30.06 notice posted is off limits; but ONLY if proper 30.06 notice is given.


This is the exact wording the sign must have;  in both English and Spanish

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/txinvestigator/CHL/3006sign.jpg


Doesn't it have to be in 1inch letters too?


yes, and in contrasting colors in block letters.  ;0
12/14/2009 4:38:50 PM EDT
[#5]
IF it was only in English would that be a defense to prosecution? I am not going to test it but just wondering.
12/14/2009 4:47:53 PM EDT
[#6]
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IF it was only in English would that be a defense to prosecution? I am not going to test it but just wondering.


Well,

One of the 1st questions you might be asked is do you read, write and understand English?  

In that case, it would be hard to deny proper notification under 30.06.

If the only problem with the 30.06 sign was that it was not bi-lingual, I would not recommend carrying in that location.

I am not a lawyer...YMMV.
12/14/2009 5:01:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Do white letters on a clear glass background meet the requirement for contrasting colors?  Nearly every hospital that I have seen that is posted has this kind of signage.
12/14/2009 5:06:44 PM EDT
[#8]
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Do white letters on a clear glass background meet the requirement for contrasting colors?  Nearly every hospital that I have seen that is posted has this kind of signage.


I've never seen "contrasting colors" operationally defined.  Without a legal challenge, I would say one inch white letters on clear glass is good to go.
12/14/2009 5:06:59 PM EDT
[#9]
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Do white letters on a clear glass background meet the requirement for contrasting colors?  Nearly every hospital that I have seen that is posted has this kind of signage.


The law does not address that, and until there is some case law I prefer to err on the side of caution; know what I mean?  

12/14/2009 5:09:27 PM EDT
[#10]
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IF it was only in English would that be a defense to prosecution? I am not going to test it but just wondering.


There is no defense to prosecution in 30.06.

However, the law does state, very specifically, that the notice must be in English and Spanish.  If it fails either test, then you were not given notice.

(a defense to prosecution is a term used in the penal code, has specific conditions, and uses the phrase, "it is a defense to prosecution, ".  )



12/14/2009 5:19:48 PM EDT
[#11]
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The law does not address that, and until there is some case law I prefer to err on the side of caution; know what I mean?  


My thoughts exactly.  I did not know if there was any case law on this issue.
12/14/2009 5:30:29 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for the answers everyone.  Just for anyones information.  All Saints-Baylor hospital on 8th Avenue in Fort Worth, does not have the  appropriate signage  pursuant to Section 30.06