Posted: 1/25/2009 6:05:32 PM EDT
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ok, so we were on the way to the cemetary where my grandpa was buried one year ago today. my wife is driving. we spot a trooper with someone pulled over in a small town. our radar detector goes off, we were not speeding at the time. we watch the trooper head into town as we are headed out. about fifteen minutes later we are being pulled over by the same trooper we saw. this time the detector never went off. and, my wife was doing over 80(yes we were speeding ok). she is ticketed for 77 in a 70. she is guilty yes. BUT, the ticket was written that we were in county A, when in fact we were in county B. also, how could he have radar'ed us and the detector never went off? and as soon as my wife signed the ticket, he was in his car headed back to county A and in a hurry. did he just write a ticket in one county but now the revenue from the fine is going to county A? i think we got hosed on this one. also, i think someone called us in as a wreckless driver, i mean, how the hell else is he going to come from the town he was in, chase us down about twenty miles down the road, give us a ticket and never set off the detector?????
save me the "you broke the law, blah blah blah..." i know. but what is your opinion of the stop overall. and we were back underway in under two minutes....never even checked registration or inspection??? revenue generator i say... |
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ok, so we were on the way to the cemetary where my grandpa was buried one year ago today. my wife is driving. we spot a trooper with someone pulled over in a small town. our radar detector goes off, we were not speeding at the time. we watch the trooper head into town as we are headed out. about fifteen minutes later we are being pulled over by the same trooper we saw. this time the detector never went off. and, my wife was doing over 80(yes we were speeding ok). she is ticketed for 77 in a 70. she is guilty yes. BUT, the ticket was written that we were in county A, when in fact we were in county B. also, how could he have radar'ed us and the detector never went off? and as soon as my wife signed the ticket, he was in his car headed back to county A and in a hurry. did he just write a ticket in one county but now the revenue from the fine is going to county A? i think we got hosed on this one. also, i think someone called us in as a wreckless driver, i mean, how the hell else is he going to come from the town he was in, chase us down about twenty miles down the road, give us a ticket and never set off the detector????? save me the "you broke the law, blah blah blah..." i know. but what is your opinion of the stop overall. and we were back underway in under two minutes....never even checked registration or inspection??? revenue generator i say... You want to justify your wife's violation by claiming "revenue generation", but want to demand no comments regarding your breaking the law. Fat chance. Troopers work for the state. What few citations actually result in a fine don't help DPS in the least. Troopers don't care about "revenue generation". Your radar detector not going off is not a defense. If you go to court I'd not throw that out there. As far as how he determined your speed; is there any indication on the citation? There are three major methods used by DPS; Radar Lidar and pacing. IMO, and I am a former cop, you best defense is if he indicated the wrong county on the citation. However, be sure he didn't clock you in county A and put that on the ticket, even though he may have stopped you in county B. If the violation occurred in County A and he put county B as the location of the violation then I believe you have a defense. Even though I am a former LEO, I think the police should have to get it right. If he messed up, you don't pay. If you were speeding and he gets it right, you pay. There is no need for juvenile defensiveness. Ya'll drive safely now. PS; isn't being reported as a "wreckless" driver a good thing? |
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oh she/we have every intention of paying the ticket, i know there is no defense for my detector not going off....we were in the wrong.
but i just find it odd that he wrote the ticket for the violation occurring in county A, when in fact we were well with the county line of B. and he must have been doing over 100mph to gain about twenty miles on us, when we were doing 80. now who is being wreckless???? i appreciate the job "city cops" do, just don't have a whole lot of love for someone who makes a day writing tickets. but i don't want to bash on LEO, so i'll leave it there. |
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ok, so we were on the way to the cemetary where my grandpa was buried one year ago today. my wife is driving. we spot a trooper with someone pulled over in a small town. our radar detector goes off, we were not speeding at the time. we watch the trooper head into town as we are headed out. about fifteen minutes later we are being pulled over by the same trooper we saw. this time the detector never went off. and, my wife was doing over 80(yes we were speeding ok). she is ticketed for 77 in a 70. she is guilty yes. BUT, the ticket was written that we were in county A, when in fact we were in county B. also, how could he have radar'ed us and the detector never went off? and as soon as my wife signed the ticket, he was in his car headed back to county A and in a hurry. did he just write a ticket in one county but now the revenue from the fine is going to county A? i think we got hosed on this one. also, i think someone called us in as a wreckless driver, i mean, how the hell else is he going to come from the town he was in, chase us down about twenty miles down the road, give us a ticket and never set off the detector????? save me the "you broke the law, blah blah blah..." i know. but what is your opinion of the stop overall. and we were back underway in under two minutes....never even checked registration or inspection??? revenue generator i say... You want to justify your wife's violation by claiming "revenue generation", but want to demand no comments regarding your breaking the law. Fat chance. Troopers work for the state. What few citations actually result in a fine don't help DPS in the least. Troopers don't care about "revenue generation". Your radar detector not going off is not a defense. If you go to court I'd not throw that out there. As far as how he determined your speed; is there any indication on the citation? There are three major methods used by DPS; Radar Lidar and pacing. IMO, and I am a former cop, you best defense is if he indicated the wrong county on the citation. However, be sure he didn't clock you in county A and put that on the ticket, even though he may have stopped you in county B. If the violation occurred in County A and he put county B as the location of the violation then I believe you have a defense. Even though I am a former LEO, I think the police should have to get it right. If he messed up, you don't pay. If you were speeding and he gets it right, you pay. There is no need for juvenile defensiveness. Ya'll drive safely now. PS; isn't being reported as a "wreckless" driver a good thing? oh duh. reckless,  .
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ok, so we were on the way to the cemetary where my grandpa was buried one year ago today. my wife is driving. we spot a trooper with someone pulled over in a small town. our radar detector goes off, we were not speeding at the time. we watch the trooper head into town as we are headed out. about fifteen minutes later we are being pulled over by the same trooper we saw. this time the detector never went off. and, my wife was doing over 80(yes we were speeding ok). she is ticketed for 77 in a 70. she is guilty yes. BUT, the ticket was written that we were in county A, when in fact we were in county B. also, how could he have radar'ed us and the detector never went off? and as soon as my wife signed the ticket, he was in his car headed back to county A and in a hurry. did he just write a ticket in one county but now the revenue from the fine is going to county A? i think we got hosed on this one. also, i think someone called us in as a wreckless driver, i mean, how the hell else is he going to come from the town he was in, chase us down about twenty miles down the road, give us a ticket and never set off the detector????? save me the "you broke the law, blah blah blah..." i know. but what is your opinion of the stop overall. and we were back underway in under two minutes....never even checked registration or inspection??? revenue generator i say... I'm confused. How do you know where you were clocked? Did he tell you? He's a tropper he can clock you in one county and stop you in another. |
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Most troopers after years of running radar can pretty much tell you how fast your going just by looking. The "revenue" the troopers make go to the county they are working, and that county is the one paying for the stuff the troopers need. "...based on my training and experience as a Texas State Trooper." I think there is something wrong with an experienced officer that cannot accurately estimate vehicle speed visually. |
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Go with DD if she is likely to get another ticket, if this was a rare instance go for deferred adjudication.
I'm no fan of the pacing method. Call me a skeptic but I don't have much faith in another human beings mystical calibrated eyeball. Driving behind someone doing 80 mpg and estimating they are also doing 80 mph is one thing, it is when the estimates of speed are taken from a stationary point or even better moving in the opposite direction when this is complete ridiculousness. Personally I have had an officer pull me over claiming it was for speeding and then stated he paced my speed. Good trick considering he was still driving in a 55mph zone when he hit his lights and I was further ahead in a 35 mph zone. Plus I tend not to speed when being followed by an unmarked unit and a half-dozen marked units. It was just a ruse to get a chance to say "hi" and be nosy as to what I was up to that fine day. LOL, long story but I think it took about a minute into the meeting before the Lieutenant realized the whole stop was a mistake and they stuck their foot in a mess of civil litigation. They dislike it later when they are the ones receiving the paper ordering them to court to visit the judge. Poor guys got set up on that by the selfish self-interest of one of their own. |
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ok, so we were on the way to the cemetary where my grandpa was buried one year ago today. my wife is driving. we spot a trooper with someone pulled over in a small town. our radar detector goes off, we were not speeding at the time. we watch the trooper head into town as we are headed out. about fifteen minutes later we are being pulled over by the same trooper we saw. this time the detector never went off. and, my wife was doing over 80(yes we were speeding ok). she is ticketed for 77 in a 70. she is guilty yes. BUT, the ticket was written that we were in county A, when in fact we were in county B. also, how could he have radar'ed us and the detector never went off? and as soon as my wife signed the ticket, he was in his car headed back to county A and in a hurry. did he just write a ticket in one county but now the revenue from the fine is going to county A? i think we got hosed on this one. also, i think someone called us in as a wreckless driver, i mean, how the hell else is he going to come from the town he was in, chase us down about twenty miles down the road, give us a ticket and never set off the detector????? save me the "you broke the law, blah blah blah..." i know. but what is your opinion of the stop overall. and we were back underway in under two minutes....never even checked registration or inspection??? revenue generator i say... Pretty crappy rant. Save us your whining. You admitted your infraction. Pay up and be done with it. PS - and quit the speeding - all our roads will be safer that way!
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Radar is not always 100% and also something could have been blocking it. He also may not have been using it and at a set speed, and catching you at X distance (say 20 miles), he will know how long it takes you to cover that same distance, so therefore he can figure out how fast you were going. Not saying he did this, but that is pacing and that is definitely feasible, especially if he is trained in doing so and can set his speed accordingly. Yes, he would have to have been speeding like 80-100mph to catch you going 80.
Also how do you know FOR SURE it was the same cop? No offense or anything, but they all look alike (same cars at least), especially with their hats on. It may have been another trooper out waiting for you along the road there.. |
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Does not the ticket specify how he calculated your speed?
Every ticket or warning i've ever gotten, the ticket has a field along the lines of "Speed" and the "Type" which usually has "radar" written in it then another box for "Radar Calibrated" with a "yes," and "no," checkbox. Or something like that. |
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Lets get something out in the open. This is the 2nd time I've read this in a month. Pacing is a form of determining someone's speed by pacing the speeder. What I mean is you can't pace anyone if you are stationary.
When I pace, I follow a vehicle for a minimum of 2 blocks, anything less, the judge will dismiss. After spending countless hours observing traffic, you get a good idea how fast a vehicle is traveling while stationary. But, if you strictly go off of that estimation and go to court and testify, the judge I know will dismiss it. When stationary, you first observe the vehicle's speed with your eyes to get a good estimate then verify it with the radar or lidar that's been certified. Since the op asked, radar detectors aren't an end all be all. It will detect my radar if I have it on constantly but what I do is what's been mentioned before. I observe, then pull the trigger. Then again, you have a radar detector which means it won't pick up lidar (laser). Man up and pay the man unless there really was a technicality on the location. |
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Being judged for speed is all bs (from a stationary point) I drove a camaro for the the longest time. I would be going about 25-30 in residential streets (speed limit is 30 and no I DO NOT speed in residential) People working outside would yell at me to slow down all the time. Another time I was pulled over by a cop, when he came up to me, he told me I was going three over. He said while he was sitting there it "looked" as though I was going much faster. Apologized and let me be.
As for the radar, or just detector in general, it does not always pick up laser or radar from behind or the sides, that's because most don't have 360 protection. On the note of being pulled over in location B when the violation happened in location A. It doesn't really matter. They are going to chase you down and pull you over if they see you doing it. I was in a 45 MPH zone, accelerating to 60 MPH (the zone coming up) The cop was sitting right at the border knowing people wouldn't slow down in time or would do as I did and speed up to soon. About 3 - 4 miles down the road he pulled me over. Yelling at me told me he clocked me doing 60 MPH but "knew damn well" I was going faster! I told him I hit 60 MPH and put my cruise control. He got huffy and puffy but the truth is the truth. Also it may have been another trooper that was sitting in another location or the other guy called someone else and said to keep an eye for you. |
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first of all, i didn't mean to come off whining or ranting. you should read the whole thing where i said yes we were speeding, yes we intend to pay, or DD. so get off my nuts with your fucking holier than thou don't break the law bullshit. it was a shitty day to begin with...and besides i'm not really looking for a cop out, just answers.
my question was, or should have been, how could he have paced me at such a long distance? now another question i have, maybe you holier than thou gurus can help me with, can radar be used if the patrol unit is going the same direction as the target vehicle? and can a laser be used while moving? i have heard differing opinions, and just want a real answer. and don't tell me none of you have never broken the law. and i myself haven't had a ticket in over ten years, so guess i should have driven. oh and my detector does have 360 degree protection from all the newest lasers and radars and everything else. it ALWAYS goes off when i see a trooper, ALWAYS. so i think Mr. Trooper was pacing. being my wife was doing 80, and we had at least a fifteen mile head start on him, how fast was he going to catch me, and how accurate can he be at pacing me at that speed. smells like bullshit to me. but i'm out two hundred bux. guess he gets my ammo stash this month.... |
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first of all, i didn't mean to come off whining or ranting. you should read the whole thing where i said yes we were speeding, yes we intend to pay, or DD. so get off my nuts with your fucking holier than thou don't break the law bullshit. it was a shitty day to begin with...and besides i'm not really looking for a cop out, just answers. my question was, or should have been, how could he have paced me at such a long distance? now another question i have, maybe you holier than thou gurus can help me with, can radar be used if the patrol unit is going the same direction as the target vehicle? YES depending on the make and model of radar unit. If it was DPS, the all have same direction capability. and can a laser be used while moving? NO i have heard differing opinions, and just want a real answer. and don't tell me none of you have never broken the law. and i myself haven't had a ticket in over ten years, so guess i should have driven. oh and my detector does have 360 degree protection from all the newest lasers and radars and everything else. it ALWAYS goes off when i see a trooper, ALWAYS. so i think Mr. Trooper was pacing. being my wife was doing 80, and we had at least a fifteen mile head start on him, how fast was he going to catch me, and how accurate can he be at pacing me at that speed. smells like bullshit to me. but i'm out two hundred bux. guess he gets my ammo stash this month.... ETA: I stop people all the time for speeding that have the big fancy radar/lidar detectors and they say they never even chirped. I do love the "Quik-Trak" function on my unit. |
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first of all, i didn't mean to come off whining or ranting. you should read the whole thing where i said yes we were speeding, yes we intend to pay, or DD. so get off my nuts with your fucking holier than thou don't break the law bullshit. it was a shitty day to begin with...and besides i'm not really looking for a cop out, just answers. my question was, or should have been, how could he have paced me at such a long distance? now another question i have, maybe you holier than thou gurus can help me with, can radar be used if the patrol unit is going the same direction as the target vehicle? and can a laser be used while moving? i have heard differing opinions, and just want a real answer. and don't tell me none of you have never broken the law. and i myself haven't had a ticket in over ten years, so guess i should have driven. oh and my detector does have 360 degree protection from all the newest lasers and radars and everything else. it ALWAYS goes off when i see a trooper, ALWAYS. so i think Mr. Trooper was pacing. being my wife was doing 80, and we had at least a fifteen mile head start on him, how fast was he going to catch me, and how accurate can he be at pacing me at that speed. smells like bullshit to me. but i'm out two hundred bux. guess he gets my ammo stash this month.... Edit - OP too much of a smartass for any response. 
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