Posted: 8/29/2008 5:34:23 AM EDT
| Is there any Texas State code that requires or offers Businesses to post up a sign for some one or anyone for that matter, to enter the building with a handgun or firearm? I looked in the Texas Concealed Handgun laws for 2007-2008 but did not see anything. |
Yes what sign is that and where is the legal docs that state that information. I have seen the alcoholic nitoce but what about the non alcoholic businesses? |
Do you have a CHL? |
No my question is based off of the type of business my company is in with an high turn over of employees and we currently do not have a sign stating no weapons in the building. If i could find something stating the legal need for this so I can get it approved to have the proper signage posted. Right now anyone can walk in with a weapon at any time. |
Hate to be the one to break it to you. Sign or no sign, anyone can walk into a building with a gun. A simple sign will not protect you from gun violence. The only thing it does is keep out law abiding citizens. |
You are mistaken. Only a person who has a valid CHL can legally enter your building. A person with a CHL has passed a rigorous background check, including criminal, civil, mental health and also cannot be delinquent on child support, taxes, or student loans. Is that really the type of person you want to prohibit from carrying into your place; especially, considering the fact that a criminal or person intent on harm, by nature, does not obey signs or laws? |
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I would not want to give you any help whatsoever in posting such a sign. Anyone carrying a gun into your business is already committing a crime if they don't have a CHL, even if you have no sign up. Therefore, the only people a sign can affect are people who have a CHL. I don't want to help anyone screw us over. |
Nice form and a good answer.  R. |
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LikuidMetal, I'm guessing that your desire is to keep your (high-turnover) employees from carrying handguns while at work. People that have a CHL will honor a standard 30.06 sign. Honest employees will honor a company policy of no firearms. To actually keep firearms out, and especially to stop someone coming in with a gun who would do harm, your ONLY OPTION is to hire armed guards and set up a secure entry point... much like airport security, only more effective. Having a company policy against guns and posting signs..... all that does is make sure everyone is unarmed bullet-fodder in your business. A 'policy' and a 'sign' sure won't stop an attacker. |
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This thread seem to be totally opposite of this thread: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=315253 I'm seriously confused here. And more confused: 64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:rQWn6rruMEwJ:www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html%3Fb%3D8%26f%3D8%26t%3D289661+site:ar15.com+likuidmetal&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us |
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What is the liability in posting that sign? It would seem rather large: I go to your business, can't carry a gun per your sign, get injured by a criminal, and now I own your business. Doesn't hardly seem worth it to keep law abiding gun-toting folks out of your business. |
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Geez Louise Guns Don't Kill People. I could mount a Vulcan Chain gun on the side of my Tacoma and ride around town fully loaded. UNLESS I PULL THE TRIGGER, NO ONE IS GOING TO GET SHOT. These idiotic gun laws are so stupid. Full auto should be legal. I should be able to walk into the gun store and by any full auto mg I want made by any company I want, imported from anywhere in the world. I should be able to purchase LIVE grenades, and any other cool toys I like. Until the person in possession of said weapon/explosive actually uses it, then no one will be harmed. It is not the gun that you should fear. It is the person in control of it. Jesus, if some nut gets drunk and drives his car into a crowd of pedestrians, you don't hear an outcry to ban Ford, or Chevy. But you have someone shoot a crowd of people, and the nut job gun control people are all, "Let's sue S&W out of business" Let's make it so you can't import a fully auto Uzi. This country has gone to hell in a handbasket and as long as we have this retarded 2 party system, we will continue the downward slide. /rant off |
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Ok look all I'm trying to do is limit the Liability to the company I work for. Maybe I'm not asking the right question or just not making it clear enough; Example, If you own a business and there is a legal sign to post for say to keep weapons out of the facility and you do not post it and one of you employees gets pissed and comes in and shoots up the place killing or injuring someone that works for you. Can you then be liable if the person injured takes you to court? I'm not trying to stop anyone from coming in with a sign, if that were the case I might as well stand at the door with an RPG printed on a piece of paper saying I'll shoot you if you come in with a weapon, that just wont work but for the business sake to save the possibility of legal suite and the employees attorney using something like that against you. This is all I'm looking for if there is nothing then fine damm I don't see what the fuss is all about from some of you. I'm trying my best to gather information and I'm very sorry that I may not know as much as most of you about this stuff. I'm learning as I go. I thought I could get good advice not get pounded by some of you lower pie hole sucking jerks. for those of you have added positive input thank you. |
Insults, especially of the shotgun variety, will not do much to gain you further assistance. if you wish to limit liability for your company seek the advice of an attorney who specializes in that area of law. I will tell you that there are already laws against, " one of you employees gets pissed and comes in and shoots up the place killing or injuring someone that works for you." Placing a sign at the front door, 30.06 or not, will not change any liability you have one little bit. If your company had a reasonable expectation that it was about to happen and took no steps to prevent it, then they would probably incur some significant liability. Ask your attorney about foreseeability. Posting a sign is not a preventive method. What is your position where you have the responsibility for these matters, and how do you answer the seeming contradictory posts in your threads referenced earlier in this thread? |
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You can be held liable for anything. This is America. The jury will determine the amount and cost of liability in any case regardless of actual or implied liability on your part. A sign does not limit your liability just as a policy will not. Quite honestly you are not going to get a straight answer for this question on here. I think you have balls for asking how to limit our rights. In essence all you are doing is screwing us over. I make it a habit, as do most on here, not to frequent establishments that have 30.06 signs. Keep that in mind if you are involved in customer service. ETA: this thread is going no where |
thanks I didnt mean any harm in this at all I do beleive in the ownership of firearms for all, this was just coming from a business sence and I was just making sure that I had everything in order by law here. Thanks again. |
I am not a lawyer and I don't even play one on the Internet. These are questions that should be answered by your attorney. That said, you can make it against company policy to carry a firearm into work. Of course no sign or policy will stop anyone intent on breaking the law. Make sure you look at the other side of the coin, too. If I, as a CHL holder, work for you, I will follow the policies of the company and not carry my weapon inside. I must assume that you are going to take responsibility for my safety as you have disarmed me even though I have passed the rigorous requirements of the State of Texas to carry a concealed handgun. Now, if someone comes in with a firearm and attacks me and other coworkers, you have failed to provide for my safety. What kind of liability does that open you up to? David |
Well if I was a employee of yours who had a CHL and your company had a policy against the legal carrying of weapons, I would sue over not being allowed to defend myself if there was an incident where I could not defend myself due to your policies. |
Well, he is a security guard: www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=315253 |
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I'm just going to throw this out and hope no one flames me for it. My business is required by law to post a sign (both english and spanish) that states "The unlicensed possession of a concealed weapon is a felony...blah..blah"). This sign is required by TABC because I sell beer for off premise consumption. This sign does NOT refer to CHL holders. Is this what you were looking for? It also does not release you of any liability if SHTF. Nothing you can put on a window or door does. |
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A 30.06 sign will also cause a loss of business (and/or good employees). The few ones I do see I make note of and make sure no one I know uses that company in any way. A company policy against carrying weapons or a sign with a handgun with a crossed out circle should be sufficient from the liability standpoint. |
I don't think anyone has a problem with this particular type of sign since it is basically just a reminder of the law (in other words it doesn't take away anyone's rights), and as you note it does not apply to CHL holders. I've never seen it posted anywhere that wasn't required to by TABC though. |