Posted: 7/24/2008 6:32:47 AM EDT
| I just had a conversation with someone who is very well connected in the shooting political scene. He also has a lot to loose if shooting tanks for any reason. He pulled me aside and told me that Obama and all his running buddies have a bill ready to go that would ban all lead ammunition, basically forcing everyone into lead free ammo. I guess they didn't like the decision handed down on the second amendment and figured an end around to attack the ammo was in order. I don't consider myself to be in the tin foil hat group, but I saw this coming. If this happens we are in a world of shit. |
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They have already been pushing for this in California IIRC it passed there. It may be in the works in other states also. Don't forget the ammo serialization bills that are in the works in lots of states. That's like an the anti's next best wet dream to a total gun ban. |
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There had better be a huge backlash from the 22lr community! The NRA, BSA, Cub Scouts are all huge consumers of lead ammo. I figured there would be more backlash from the FUDD Duckhunters by this point. But when you figure they only shoot 1-5 box a season, the extra price is not bad for them. Skeet and Trap shooters should really pay attention to this. |
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IF this did happen ,, Cost would rise and at some point it would level out. There are lots of alternatives to lead, as was proven in the Steel shot for migratory game law passed years ago and yes it’s expensive but like it was pointed out Duck & Goose hunters shoot 1-2 box a month for 2 months. If you made that a week all year long as with the rest of the shooting industry cost would drop! And the fist with the ability to produce it cheaply would make a killing, as in DuPont, Olin, Federal, CCI, and a bunch of metal technology companies looking to make a buck. And if you think the above named have not been looking into this already , look at all the lead free ammo for indoor range use? Expensive yes but only because only a 10th if that of the shooting community are using it. I’m not saying don’t worry sit on your ass the NRA will save us all, if you have a good idea for a alternative to lead pursuit and help us all out. Me I have enough lead in my berm by now to support me and a 100 of my close friends Phil www.theimpactzonerange.com |
They don't care, they aren't allowed to use lead. |
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…And this would be senate bill number what? If it does not have a bill number it’s just an “idea” and hearsay so it’s nothing to get worked up over. I can’t call any of my Senators or reps and say don’t vote for this bill that does not exist yet. I bet Obama has a lot of “fun” ideas he would like to propose. All would be political suicide right now so he is waiting until after the election. |
Yeah lol. My grandfather has 100's of pounds of lead in his gun room and probably thousands at his barn. Not a big deal. |
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Well, I guess I know what I'll be buying at the gun show this weekend. These fucking assholes couldn't care less about the US Constitution, the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States, the rights of states to allow their citizens to keep and bear arms or the natural right of human beings to defend themselves from non-state and/or state aggressors. They care about one thing and one thing only: POWER! Armed citizens are an obstacle to that power. Look at what DC did after the Supreme Court Ruling. Do you think Obama, Feinstein, Kennedy, Pelosi, Schummer or their kind are going to throw up their hands and say "Oh well, we lost"? Fuck no! They are going to continue to ignore the truth and ignore our rights. I just pray to God that this asshole doesn't get elected! |
 That bill isn't anything new. The eco nazis are pushing it. Their bullshit lead ammo ban won't do a damn thing to anyone who reloads. Bullet molds are common and can be made in nearly any machine shop. Buy casting equipment---every car has at least four bullets attached to it. 
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Yes, I know. They have not been able to in many years, that's why I say they should have bitched by now. Must not be hurting their pocketbook shooting steel. Now, if lead is completely outlawed, even on skeet or trap there will be a huge ruckus. I admit, I shoot 1 box of steel a year, I only duck hunt 1 weekend a season. It would hurt a lot more if I had to shoot steel shot practicing on clay. |
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If Hussien Obama gets elected we will see more than just a ban on lead ammo. We will see a pile of environmental regulations designed to kill the shooting industry. What's going to happen when the EPA shows up and declares your berm a "contaminated zone" and offers you the choice of spending thousands of dollars to clean the area to their, "ever changing standards" or letting you closing the range permanently? How many ranges are going to be able to survive that type of assault. As to casting your own, your property where you cast you bullets is now a contaminated zone. If you cast in your garage/backyard, your home value goes to $0 because you can't sell your house do to the "lead contamination". Reload? Guess what's going to happen to primers and powder... It's not real hard to see that one coming down the pipe. And how about noise ordinances? Lot's of ranges out there already being attacked by that route. Where do us gun folks go shoot then? No range to shoot at, ammo costs through the roof, can't cast and roll our own... Kind of hard to stay in practice with all that in place. The handwriting is there for all to see, the water in the pot is getting warmer by the day. Semper Fi |
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There is something else that I'd like to say if I may please. I for one am sick and fucking tired of these cocksuckers. If we're not stocking up on mags, lowers and parts kits because they want to ban "assault weapons" then we're stocking up on ammo because they want to ban lead, or we're stocking up on food because they're turning our food supply into gasoline, or we're stocking up on water because they were completely helpless when NOLA was destroyed and we don't want to be next, and if it's not that then we're saving our money because they are going to destroy the economy, tax us into poverty, chase all of our jobs overseas and destroy the health care system. The purpose of government is to SECURE the rights of the people, not to threaten them at every turn. It says so right in the Declaration of Independence. The whole reason we started this country in the first place was to get out from under the thumb of a tyrant that was a constant threat to the liberty, prosperity and happiness of the colonists. Things have just about come full circle. |
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you aren't wrong, Steve. One of my long-term goals is to become as energy, food, and water self-sufficient as I can. Then, at least if the government takes all my liquid money (or renders it worthless) or legislates the economy into a depression, or any combination of a number of things they're likely to do, I'll still have a decent standard of living. |
At what point do we stop taking their crap and take OUR government back? I will donate the first 10 pounds of tea, we just need to find the best place to dump it. Just my personal opinion, but the inauguration would be the perfect place for the new "Militia" to make itself known. All our "Leaders" in one place. Get the NRA and all the black rifle clubs together and we all march on Washington. I'm not preaching violence, just that we make ourselves known as the large voting block we can become, if we all get together. Patrick 
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You think they give a sh!t about the masses? You think they give a sh!t about the Constitution? Power, Money, Legacy are what they are interested in. |
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I don't believe that the troops would fire on our own citizens. Sheriffs Dept? Yes Local PD? Absolutely. Active military? I don't think so. But hey, the majority of the folks didn't believe the American Revolution would turn out like it did either. It worked once, and it could work again. Only thing different is that both sides would be better armed, and there would be a lot more casualties. |
Don't shit yourself,O.K.?The military will do WHATEVER they are ordered to do.Period. 
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| I feel that many of our military would be with us. Its time for something new. You cant sit around and say it wont work cause of this or that. People in america dont stand up for themselves they want others to do it for them. American people dont help each other for the most part. No one wants to take a stand for better or worse to make this a place for our kids to grow. |
Maybe most troops would not shoot US civilians. But don't kid yourselves there would be more than enough who would shoot you down like a dog. As an historical example read this, yes that is the future General Patton and these are veterans not ordinary civilians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Expeditionary_Force
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Absolutely. Look at NOLA. They interviewed National Guard troops talking about the possibility of having to kill Americans and they said that they would if they had to. Bama-Shooter witnessed National Guard confiscating weapons from citizens. Don't kid yourself, the military is the arm of the government and it will follow it's orders. |
The difference between the Colonists vs. GB compared to that of a modern day US Militia vs. Modern US Military is staggering. Covert, guerilla-style tactics would be our only hope.
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Historically no one has to shoot anyone. Bit by bit they legislate chunks away from everyone. The took them away from the Germans and Australians without a shot being fired, what makes us any different. I don't think this will be a Red Dawn type situation, it doesn't have to be. Big government won't go door to door, they don't have to they will ban one type after another until nothing is left. If you have it and it's illegal you can't shoot it or even display it for fear of someone seeing it and snitching you off. We woke up the first time the AWB and how many years did it take to make that go away. Now that they control both houses and maybe the Presidents office we may be in trouble. If the Republicans don't wake up it's just around the corner. They have a smooth talking candidate who is good looking and says what people feel. We have a shot, fat, old guys who doesn't inspire a sole. I plan on doing everything I can to make as much noise and support for the old fat guy, just so the liar doesn't get in. |