Posted: 8/23/2007 7:21:24 AM EDT
| In today’s possibility if identity theft I refuse to give out my DL for the private sale of a gun. I have seen post where a seller wants to “PROTECT THEMSELFES” from what if I sell a gun that I bought and for some reason the ATF comes looking for it after the law is changed to outlaw that particular gun the trail stops with me. A lawnmower is a dangerous tool someone can get a hand cut off or god forbid killed do you ask for a DL for a bill of sale for that a buyer is more likely to get injured mowing his lawn than with a gun. Keeping records of private sales is a form of registration my name is forever tied to that gun for as long as that receipt exist a yellow form is only kept for 3 years and all a receipt shows that you owned that gun and it can tie you onto a chain of litigation if someone was killed with the gun and the relatives want to file suite and include everyone from the supplier of the steel that made the gun to the trigger man with the piece of paper that you wrote the buyers info in to “PROTECT YOURSELF” you managed to “SCREW YOURSELF” because of a chicken little armchair lawyering. I recently hade a seller refuse to sell me a gun because I did not want to pay for a transfer from a FFL and I just wanted to vent |
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I've passed up some deals for that very reason. I don't want some seller having my personal info - unlike a bank or other business, that private individual doeesn't have the training, resources or provable policies put in place to be able to correctly handle private, personal data. Not to mention, it'd be easy to target you for theft if I sold you a high dollar gun and thought it was likely you had more. I could just take your address from your DL and watch the place until you left. |
| If the VA Tech shooter had just purchased the weapons used from an individual at a gun show legislation would already have been passed on transfers. A certain amount of care or responsibility should be everyones intention. When some retard screws up or a criminal circumvents the system it makes us all look bad. When the anti crowd starts blaming cars for drunk driving, then the guns cause crimes debate can be had. Until then the current judicial system of catch and release needs to be addressed. Don't get pissed if somone wants to transfer through a dealer or atleast require some form of ID. They are possibly doing you a favor! |
Yep...dude buys gun from you, sees it for $5 cheaper on Gunbroker, stops by wallyworld for ammo, comes and visits you. Of course, this would never happen in real life, it's ridiculous, fantasy, no way, can't happen...  t (c'mon, just pickin' at ya!) |
That's what today's anti-gun lobby (which creates the anti-gun legal environment) wants.
I don't, either, but we won't be doing business. It's a fucking gun, for crying out loud, not a suitcase nuke or a baby grinder. |
How does his ass get covered? Now there is a paper trail showing who it was sold to. That can only incriminate you. |
I agree.... sadly. 
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Thats the whole point, for the seller (the guy the OP was ranting about) to have a paper trail proving that the gun he is selling is sold to somebody else, proving the gun to not be in the seller's possession at the time of a crime being committed. Lets hypothetically say a serious crime is committed with your old gun by the guy you sold it to at the gunshow who later sold it to a friend of a friend of a gangbanging thug. Anti-gun libtard DA comes for you, says the last trace they can get leads to you (you bought the gun new at a Wally world) and you better have a really good explanation. You tell them you sold it to some guy, you can’t remember who though. Anti-gun DA says he isn’t buying your story, decides to make your life a living hell. You are forced to lawyer up to protect yourself….. time, money, even your liberty may be taken from you. On the other hand, say you sold your gun instead to a local reputable FFL. You tell the DA the FFL you sold it to, DA calls in ATF, they bust into the FFL's shop, shoot his dog, arrest him...the usual ATF way of dealing with FFL's. They look at his inventory records and 4473 records, all of which are legal requirements for FFL's. They either find your old gun in his inventory or on a 4473. Because you used a FFL there is a legal paper trail that has proven you sold the gun to the FFL and therefore at that time did not legally posses the gun that was used in the crime. DA then goes looking elsewhere for someone else to hang. I would be more inclined though to do a private transfer from a gun that I bought through another private transfer, since there won’t be a paper trail leading back to me. But for a gun I bought new, which almost all of mine have been, I choose to only sell to FFLs or very close family. I fully believe citizens have the constitutional right to sell privately to others. Unfortunately doing so leaves you with little defense against rogue prosecutors if your old gun is ever used in a crime. |
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The flip side of the coin is that a lawyer who wants to punish you for selling a gun now has proof that you sold it to this horrible person. Courtesy of you. Legally, you don't possess a gun that you sold to someone regardless of whether it went through a dealer or not. And legally, it doesn't matter if you possess a gun that was used in a crime. If someone steals your gun and uses it to commit a crime, you are not responsible for the crime. |
If you really believe this hypothetical, then all the more reason when you BUY the gun, do not give any ID. 
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