Posted: 1/14/2007 8:41:55 PM EDT
| Has anyone seen the almost-30.06 signs at the entrances to Valley View Mall in Dallas? The sign has the right text in English and Spanish, but the law says the letters have to be an inch high and these can't be any more than half that. |
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They didn't have those signs last time I went, they must be a new edition. If the letters aren't 1 inch then the sign doesn't meet the 30.06 requirements - that doesn't mean they wouldn't throw you on the floor, cuff you and let you spend the week in Lew Steritt jail and it doesn't mean a jury wouldn't decide correctly on the issue either. You'd be right to ignore the sign (as it isn't legally valid) but I'd hate to be the test case. |
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The only malls that I know of in DFW that DO NOT have a 30.06 or other notification that firearms are not allowed are all Simon Properties.... NE Mall, Irving Mall, Richardson Square(almost defunct) and Firewheel Mall.....also the Allen Outlet Mall. All the other malls, that I have been to, have some sort of indication that they do not want you or your business. mm |
I never noticed one at Stonebriar Mall when I entered by the Cheesecake Factory door, though it's been a few months since I've been there. |
I've only been to Stonebriar once. Went in the entrance at Galyan's, which was the only place in the mall I visited.....and that's been at least 4 years. mm |
Well, I think the point is to NOT flash your piece...Then in the event of a life or death scenario, you and your family have a fighting chance, then after the smoke clears you have a leg to stand on in court as well. It kinda reminds me of a local hospital, that for what ever reason has never bothered to place a sign on a small side entrance... Crpdeth |
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Why do people argue about the legal format of the 30.06 signs and passing the non-standard signs to enter whiile carrying? If I see any sign that says "no firearms," whether to 30.06 standards or not, the intent is very clear. I figure that the proprieters do not want me or my money on their property. About the only time that the 30.06 standards mean anything is when ignoring the non-standard sign, going in while carrying anyway, then being discovered. Look at it as a defense to prosecution if you will, but you know what the intent was. Do you really want to be arrested and go through the court process and leave it to a judge and/or jury to decide? Remember, a verbal notification is specifically written into the code, so once told to leave (valid sign, non-standard sign or no sign at all) you must leave or be charged with trespass. And if you are discovered as carrying then you aren't doing a very good job of concealing your firearm. In the event that you as a CHL holder disarmed yourself prior to entry to the area as per signage and then suffer an attack while on site... what happens after that would be a civil matter between you and the poster of the signage. It could be argued that if they disarm you they have a duty and responsibility to protect you as they have taken away your means of self protection. In any event, the most likely winner in such a case would be the attorneys. YMMV |
The law specifically states that a "no guns" sign is not-valid unless it meets the 30.06 requirements EXACTLY. I can see why someone would hold the business to their legal obligation. For me personally, if their sign says "no firearms" and is close to the 30.06 then I will avoid entry just to avoid the potential for hassle. For regular gun signs (circle w/ X through the gun) then I take the same stance the law does: that the sign only applies to NON-CHLs. |