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Posted: 11/16/2005 5:54:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/16/2005 7:05:53 AM EDT
that sucks
Link Posted: 11/16/2005 7:48:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/16/2005 8:37:46 AM EDT
If you will IM me, I'll run his info for you...
Link Posted: 11/16/2005 11:10:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/16/2005 10:24:09 PM EDT
sorry to hear about that Robbie. i normally don't take checks unless i know the guy or he has a CHL or police ID. i have never dealt w/ the individual.
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 3:58:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
sorry to hear about that Robbie. i normally don't take checks unless i know the guy or he has a CHL or police ID. i have never dealt w/ the individual.




or hold the check till it clears
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 4:50:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 6:03:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roseco:

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
sorry to hear about that Robbie. i normally don't take checks unless i know the guy or he has a CHL or police ID. i have never dealt w/ the individual.




or hold the check till it clears



Well believe it or not guys, this is the first fraudulent check I have ever gotten in 33 years of business. Got a few hot ones but managed to get them collected since my customers are all good guys. This guy is a bandit.



i believe it, cant screw over the crack black rifle dealer or he wont hook you up with your next fix new part

Link Posted: 11/17/2005 6:34:08 AM EDT
Isn't it a felony to purchase a firearm with a hot check?


Link Posted: 11/17/2005 7:05:45 AM EDT
I paid ya cash Robbie ...

Once the spawning season is over I hope to do so again. For some reason changing diapers makes me want to go make loud noises and poke holes in stuff.

-Tx
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 7:54:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By frisco:
Isn't it a felony to purchase a firearm with a hot check?






an upper is not considered a firearm
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 10:01:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:

Originally Posted By frisco:
Isn't it a felony to purchase a firearm with a hot check?






an upper is not considered a firearm



just read over the upper part....he can still file theft by check charges and have a warrant issued for his arrest.

Class B misdemeanor for $50 to $500
Class A misdemeanor for $500 to $1500

Link Posted: 11/17/2005 10:24:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 11:08:29 AM EDT
Did you issue him a receipt? If so, that needs to be taken to the bank and the problem needs to be fixed. You do always have the option of taking him to small claims court and suing him? Kinda like squeezing blood from a turnip, though.
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 1:17:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 3:47:33 PM EDT

Robbie, I'll defer to the lawyers, LEO's and bankers on here, but IMHO criminal charges for theft can be filed with the DA in the county in which you accepted the check. And I presume the bank on which the check is drawn is required to furnish either you or your bank with some proof that a theft statement was filed. Recommend you at least talk to the PD. Hope it didn't happen out of town, which would make it more difficult. Good luck and let us know how we can help you.

Link Posted: 11/17/2005 7:54:00 PM EDT
That's an interesting one.

Did you get the guy's ID infomration?
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 7:57:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2005 8:06:20 PM EDT by Citabria7GCBC]
maybe you need someone to go sit outside his house to see if he lives in the area. or have someone knock on the door as a delivery person.......


also definatly talk to your local law enforcement agency and report it stolen. also check your im
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 3:04:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 3:11:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 5:14:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2005 5:15:56 AM EDT by frisco]

Originally Posted By roseco:

Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
That's an interesting one.

Did you get the guy's ID infomration?



SC,
I know about everything there is to know about this guy except what color comb he uses. Problem is he's in the Army National Guard out of Fargo, ND but I don't know how to find him from there.



Maybe a call to commanding officer in Fargo....let him know what one of his troops did and your intentions.

Don't know if this is the building, but it might be a start:

North Dakota Army National Guard Building Manager: HQ 142D ECB
(701) 451-6000
3920 31st St N
Fargo, ND 58102


Link Posted: 11/18/2005 5:21:16 AM EDT
Call his Co.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 5:50:37 AM EDT
how do you know it was the kid himself?

This will be a key issue in proving anything in a court.

Link Posted: 11/18/2005 6:28:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2005 8:01:54 AM EDT by tvone]
Time to release the internet hounds!!!

www.wenzeled.com/site/

You can no longer be a faceless scammer on the internet. This guy's life is ruined!


In a nutshell...a guy tried to rip-off a guy on a 4X4 board. He put some new gears up for sale for $100. Someone buys them for $100 and adds $15 for shipping. Check is cashed, and then asks for more $$ and doesn't send the gears. Also posted that the gears were used with 30k miles on them on another board. Basically says 'what the f* can you do about it?' Wrong answer...

73 pages later, all of his personal information is posted, including phone numbers of employer, parents, his cell phone, address, most of his SS#. Over a million hits, 1000's of references on other boards around the world. T-shirts and bumper stickers now available. 2 separate websites. Photo is everywhere and some great photoshops. Also looks like someone pulled his credit report. Last name is synonymous with getting ripped-off on the internet. Check in the Urban Dictionary.

He wanted to go to the Naval Academy, but this thread was sent to the navy and his congressman.

He started an apology thread, begging for it to stop.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 6:55:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tvone:
Time to release the internet hounds!!!

www.wenzeled.com/site/

You can no longer be a faceless scammer on the internet. This guy's life is ruined!




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Link Posted: 11/18/2005 8:46:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roseco:

Originally Posted By imcoltsguy:
Robbie, I'll defer to the lawyers, LEO's and bankers on here, but IMHO criminal charges for theft can be filed with the DA in the county in which you accepted the check. And I presume the bank on which the check is drawn is required to furnish either you or your bank with some proof that a theft statement was filed. Recommend you at least talk to the PD. Hope it didn't happen out of town, which would make it more difficult. Good luck and let us know how we can help you.




This kid wrote a check on Wells Fargo bank which happens to be our bank face to face in The Colony. Wells Fargo claims since it is fraud they don't return the check to us. Come to find out, the bank actually returned the check back to him unpaid. Now I don't know whether to file on the bank or not.



+1 on contacting his CO.

Also, file a theft report with the PD. It gets the wheels turning. Let them find out some info on him (location, etc.) As for the way the bank treated the transaction, I would go pay a visit to the branch manager and let him know how pissed you are and then close out your account and take your business to another bank (there are plenty of other banks out there and they are all fighting for new business).
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 9:02:20 AM EDT
You can always name the bank in a suit.

Don't know what the UCC says on the issue of fraudulent checks though.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 3:15:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 3:17:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 3:19:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 5:04:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2005 1:31:16 PM EDT by imcoltsguy]

Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
how do you know it was the kid himself?

This will be a key issue in proving anything in a court.




If you're really sure it was him, contacting his C.O (or better yet, his first sargeant) might get you some action. Suggest you still follow legal channels too, which could include contacting a local MP or JAG office (gotta be a reserve unit here somewhere) in addition to filing a criminal complaint with the appropriate PD or DA. You will be taken a lot more seriously after you have filed the complaint and have a case number to refer to, and it wouldn't hurt to have a copy of the offense report in your hands when you talk to the bank, etc.

Might also try the Dakota board. Someone in the person's area will likely be on it and can give you some tips on contacting his company commander.

I assume someone ran his info for you and got everything possible? If so, use it in any legal way you can.

Your bank's response doesn't sound kosher but then I'm not a banker.

Link Posted: 11/18/2005 6:09:05 PM EDT
Was it a Hello Kitty check? I had 14 of them stolen from me. Took me about 7 months of filing 14 documents per check to resolve the issues....

I hate fraud!!!

Sorry about your misfortune....feel better in knowing you aren't alone....
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 7:58:24 PM EDT
tag for outcome
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 8:27:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roseco:
He admitted in his emails that he bought the upper but later said his roomate stole his check book and the bank wasn't supposed to stop my check but all the other checks that were in the checkbook.



Do you have the emails?

I would send those to his CO and 1Sgt. and to the DA.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 11:35:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SigZiggy:
Was it a Hello Kitty check? I had 14 of them stolen from me. Took me about 7 months of filing 14 documents per check to resolve the issues....

I hate fraud!!!

Sorry about your misfortune....feel better in knowing you aren't alone....





i had to use hello kitty checks along with some other girly ones the fiance decided she liked them and ordered them without asking me

the look on all those faces when i had to pay with a check
Link Posted: 11/19/2005 8:51:14 AM EDT
Is the CO or First Sargent going to have alot of pull with this dude? If that unit was activaited, then I'd say yes, but I don't know if they are not. I'm not saying not to contact them, I just wouldn't get my hopes up too high using that angle. Then again, I could be totally wrong. I was in the Texas NG for a year from 96 to 97 and after having served 5 years in the Marines, the NG seemed like one big joke. Of course, things are alot more serious these days. Anyway, I hope you recover your funds and then some for all your troubles.
Link Posted: 11/20/2005 3:55:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2005 11:42:33 AM EDT
Contact the kids CO and/or Base Commander. They hate hearing things like this, and will straighten it out.

Did he purchase it face to face, or was it shipped? If it was shipped, it could constitute mail fraud, which makes it a federal crime. Even more so if you shipped it to him out of state.

Mike
Link Posted: 11/22/2005 2:43:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2005 6:30:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roseco:

Originally Posted By Aviatrr:
Contact the kids CO and/or Base Commander. They hate hearing things like this, and will straighten it out.

Did he purchase it face to face, or was it shipped? If it was shipped, it could constitute mail fraud, which makes it a federal crime. Even more so if you shipped it to him out of state.

Mike



He bought it face to face which is still fraud.



It certainly is, but it's a different type of fraud. Interstate fraud becomes a federal issue, as opposed to intrastate fraud which is a local issue. Mail fraud, however, is always a federal issue. The difference that it makes is who you have to get involved.

Try looking up that last name in the same town, and maybe you'll get lucky and stumble across his parents. Contact them and let them know that their dear baby boy is going to have some serious law problems if he doesn't correct it immediately. Just a thought..

Mike
Link Posted: 11/22/2005 11:15:38 PM EDT
roseco

I live in The Colony too. Is this guy still there?

Send me some info and I will contact some friends I have at The Colony, PD to see what they can do un-officially.

We can unleash the hounds on him, literally

I have got to come by and check out your business, I need some stuff.


Bill
Link Posted: 11/23/2005 5:01:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2005 9:40:43 PM EDT
I talked to a Lt with The Colony PD. Off duty,

I am going by this morning after work and see what you can you do legally, soon as I hear something I will call you direct and see if I can get you guys together.

B
Link Posted: 11/25/2005 2:38:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2005 10:22:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2005 11:28:25 AM EDT
Have you talked to the CO or 1Sgt yet?
Link Posted: 11/29/2005 11:37:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2005 12:04:00 PM EDT
If you file a suit in big court, you can have the bank records subpoenaed and get his affidavit claiming fraud.
Link Posted: 11/29/2005 2:52:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By freeflow:
Call his Co.



+1
Link Posted: 12/8/2005 5:30:13 AM EDT
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